How the British Gov't has Declared War on White English People

[scribblet]

I'm surprised at a paper coming out and saying this, but maybe social engineering is going too far, I'm not sure if Canada has gone as far as firing white people in order to give their jobs to non whites.

http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/15991

HOW THE GOVERNMENT HAS DECLARED WAR ON WHITE ENGLISH PEOPLE

VALID POINT: George Orwell

England is in the middle of a profoundly disturbing social experiment. For the first time in a mature democracy, a Government is waging a campaign of aggressive discrimination against its indigenous population.   

In the name of cultural diversity, Labour attacks anything that smacks of Englishness. The mainstream public are treated with contempt, their rights ignored, their history trashed. In their own land, the English are being turned into second-class citizens.

This trend was highlighted this week by the case of Abigail Howarth, a bright teenager who applied for a training position with the Environment Agency in East Anglia but was turned down because she was too white and English. The post, which carries a £13,000 grant, was open only to ethnic minorities, including the Scots, Welsh and Irish. (aren't they white? }

Such social engineering was justified by the Agency on the grounds that minorities were under-represented in its workforce, the parrot cry used by bureaucrats throughout the public sector to justify bias against the English. 

Almost every interaction with any public service now leads to a detailed analysis of one’s ethnic status

Though Abigail’s case rightly caused outrage, it was not unique. This kind of reverse discrimination is now rife across the state machine, underwritten by the very English tax­payers who are the targets of institutional prejudice. cont....

and this !!!

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...tish/article.do

The town branded too white and too British

A town is being stripped of scores of public sector jobs because its residents are "too white and British".

The Prison Service is relocating the posts to a nearby city where there are more ethnic minorities.

[Bonam]

Affirmative action policies are BS.

[M.Dancer]

So it would seem then that the title of the opinion piece is a tad over the top.

.........., was open only to ethnic minorities, including the Scots, Welsh and Irish.

Declared War? Please.......

In my opinion this writer has declared war on the intelligence of readers.......

[Bonam]

Yeah the first article kind of misrepresents the issue. Scriblett mentions "firing" white English people, when in fact it's not firing, but rather just not being hired. That's becuase some positions and scholarships specifically have membership of certain ethnic groups as a requirement. We also have such grants and scholarships in Canada, by the thousands. However, the second article is more disturbing, where an office is being moved from one town to another because the original town is too English. In that case, approximately 80 people are losing their jobs as a result of the move, which is motivated primarily by employing more ethnic minorities.

In any case, all of the above simply should not be happening. All affirmative action policies, to any degree, are completely worthless, and, in fact, create new racial tension and animosity. The 80 people who got fired might not have been racist before, and may well have been very accepting and tolerant people. But after losing their jobs so that more minorities can be employed, you can be sure they are gonna be anti-immigration with a vengeance, probably for their whole lives.

Edited August 15, 2007 by Bonam

[southerncomfort]

This looks to be the firing part of it, or did they move the people in the jobs too?

This is going too far for sure, affirmative action gone nuts.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...tish/article.do

The town branded too white and too British

A town is being stripped of scores of public sector jobs because its residents are "too white and British".

The Prison Service is relocating the posts to a nearby city where there are more ethnic minorities

[Xander]

In any case, all of the above simply should not be happening. All affirmative action policies, to any degree, are completely worthless, and, in fact, create new racial tension and animosity. The 80 people who got fired might not have been racist before, and may well have been very accepting and tolerant people. But after losing their jobs so that more minorities can be employed, you can be sure they are gonna be anti-immigration with a vengeance, probably for their whole lives.

This is true. Affirmative action policies only make racial divisions stronger. They essentially say you are different from other people so we are going to treat you differently from other people. Even if this difference is a positive one it is a difference and therefore self defeating. These kinds of actions only serve to cover up the symptoms they do nothing to solve the root problems. If they really want to solve the problem they should look at why minorities like women and blacks get heired less or get payed less. Unfairly hiring people who would not normally get the job to gives a superficial look of equality may be the typical cooperate way of "solving" the problem but it really dose nothing. It would probably initially cost a lot of money to restructure their companies however if it was done correctly it should be able to fix the problem. Even if it took some governmental changes business seems to be pretty good at dealing with the burocrates.

[marcinmoka]

This is true. Affirmative action policies only make racial divisions stronger.

To add my .02, I agree with the above statement as well. Granted, this quite an absurd case.

However, I do believe there can be a little bit of benefit doled out from affirmative action (Cue : rabid posters), i.e short term "benefits" based on class/income in very specific domains such as programs admissions and financial help. That in my mind, would be a far better indicator of where help should be applied, rather than thoughtlessly throwing money around.

Thoughts?

Edited August 22, 2007 by marcinmoka

[scribblet]

So, people are told that their offices are closed, their jobs gone, and they will have to go on the dole because they are the wrong colour - and that's not being fired? Can you imagine if it were the other way round .

Britain needs another revolution, not the industrial kind.

[M.Dancer]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...tish/article.do

The town branded too white and too British

A town is being stripped of scores of public sector jobs because its residents are "too white and British".

The Prison Service is relocating the posts to a nearby city where there are more ethnic minorities.

Nearby is correct. Corby to Leicester is 40 minute drive on a bad day. In other words, the average commute in Canada. There is no mention that anyone is being fired (and if they were the under the generous british system most would be holidaying in Majorca with their winnings) but that they are "relocating the posts".....what this most likely means is if you want to keep the job and commute the 40K to work you have a job.

Edited August 23, 2007 by M.Dancer

[Leafless]

So, people are told that their offices are closed, their jobs gone, and they will have to go on the dole because they are the wrong colour - and that's not being fired? Can you imagine if it were the other way round .

Britain needs another revolution, not the industrial kind.

Why then has ethnic immigration been allowed initially?

Is the national objective relating to ethnic immigration is to clean toilets?

Then if it isn't, jobs must be provided for minorities on the same level as the majority nationality.

But of course this is looking for trouble and who is to blame, government itself.

If it was not intending to induce outright discrimination against the majority White population that forms the country, government would have only allowed White immigration.

Canada is guilty of the same thing and I agree with you that the only rectification in matters like this is a revolution.

Edited August 23, 2007 by Leafless

[Bonam]

Why then has ethnic immigration been allowed initially?

Is the national objective relating to ethnic immigration is to clean toilets?

Then if it isn't, jobs must be provided for minorities on the same level as the majority nationality.

All the government has to do is not to make policies against minorities. It does not have to make "positive discrimination" policies. A free society has equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcome. Immigrants of any nationality should be able to come in to whatever level the government feels immigration is appropriate, and they should be able to compete freely for whatever kinds of jobs based on their qualifications.

It is not the government's duty to "provide" jobs for anyone. Jobs are provided by an economy, by corporations, by the need for a certain type of work to be done. Many immigrants are highly educated, skilled, and qualified, and can get high end jobs. And many others are less skilled and less qualified, and must take low end jobs. Just like the local majority population. Some get post-secondary education, others drop out of high school.

Specifically creating jobs "just for minorities" though is discrimination, racism, and one of the worst symptoms of the abomination of "affirmative action" programs. It breeds renewed hatred and resentment, where none would have existed otherwise.

[scribblet]

Why then has ethnic immigration been allowed initially?

Is the national objective relating to ethnic immigration is to clean toilets?

Then if it isn't, jobs must be provided for minorities on the same level as the majority nationality.

But of course this is looking for trouble and who is to blame, government itself.

If it was not intending to induce outright discrimination against the majority White population that forms the country, government would have only allowed White immigration.

Canada is guilty of the same thing and I agree with you that the only rectification in matters like this is a revolution.

Without looking it up, I believe Britain has to allow people in from the Commonwealth and the EU, not sure so I could be wrong.

It is one thing to allow immigration and create laws protecting people from discrimination, and note that British law says: "discriminating against somebody on the grounds of race is outlawed by the Race Relations Act 2000." I suppose that doesn't apply to white people.

If you read further down the second article it says "Staff have been given the option of transferring, but few - if any - are expected to agree to the lengthy commute." British people do not generally commute the long distances Canadians do, they can't afford to.

[Leafless]

All the government has to do is not to make policies against minorities. It does not have to make "positive discrimination" policies. A free society has equality of opportunity, NOT equality of outcome. Immigrants of any nationality should be able to come in to whatever level the government feels immigration is appropriate, and they should be able to compete freely for whatever kinds of jobs based on their qualifications.

It is not the government's duty to "provide" jobs for anyone. Jobs are provided by an economy, by corporations, by the need for a certain type of work to be done. Many immigrants are highly educated, skilled, and qualified, and can get high end jobs. And many others are less skilled and less qualified, and must take low end jobs. Just like the local majority population. Some get post-secondary education, others drop out of high school.

Specifically creating jobs "just for minorities" though is discrimination, racism, and one of the worst symptoms of the abomination of "affirmative action" programs. It breeds renewed hatred and resentment, where none would have existed otherwise.

But why are we even acceptng ethnic immigration initially.

As 'Stomper' says in a question asked in the 'Daily Express' relating to foreign immigration:

ONLY THE WEST IS FORCED TO ACCEPT MASS IMMIGRATION

16.08.07, 12:20pm

No Asian or African or Latin American country is ever said to be in need of a dose of whites. But western countries are constantly told how much better they are for having the natives of these other lands flood their shores. This multiculturalism is always said to be "enriching." One wonders why the immigrants ever left their homeland considering how enriched it must be. The main thing, though, is that this immigration juggernaut is purely a one-way street. When they come here it is enriching - if we were to go there in similar numbers it would be called imperialism.

Who is forcing this upon western nations? And why? Cui bono?

• Posted by: Stomper • Report Comment

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/14636/...+to+immigration

Edited August 24, 2007 by Leafless

[Leafless]

Without looking it up, I believe Britain has to allow people in from the Commonwealth and the EU, not sure so I could be wrong.

It is one thing to allow immigration and create laws protecting people from discrimination, and note that British law says: "discriminating against somebody on the grounds of race is outlawed by the Race Relations Act 2000." I suppose that doesn't apply to white people.

If you read further down the second article it says "Staff have been given the option of transferring, but few - if any - are expected to agree to the lengthy commute." British people do not generally commute the long distances Canadians do, they can't afford to.

It seems the EU constitution is in limbo and apparently there is not much in there relating to immigration policy.

"European Union Constitution - where is it now?"

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2007_04_23/...ion_summary.htm

Here is another link relating to the fact Britons want a referendum on EU Constitution:

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm?...mp;itemID=16904

"Mr Howard further claimed that Britain should take its fair share of the world's "genuine refugees" and said the current asylum system is being abused, and along with it, Britain's generosity."

http://www.workpermit.com/news/2005_02_07/...tion_pledge.htm

[Bonam]

But why are we even acceptng ethnic immigration initially.

We need economic growth. We need people to fill jobs that otherwise would be left unfilled. We need an influx of young, skilled, motivated workers eager to make a life for themselves. And for the most part, immigration achieves this. And it has to be "ethnic" immigration, regardless of all other moral/ethical/cultural considerations, for the simple reason that there are no "non-ethnic" (i.e. white) people still really looking to immigrate. Maybe a few from Eastern Europe, but the numbers just aren't sufficient. White populations are falling rapidly all around the world, but our economies keep growing, and the people to run them need to come from somewhere. And that somewhere isn't Europe anymore, it's other areas of the world, with Asia being the biggest source. Canada and the US have always been countries of immigration, but over time, the sources of that immigration change, simple as that.

The problem is not with immigration itself, but the policies that we implement to try to "equalize" things or to correct perceived past wrongs, etc.

[Leafless]

We need economic growth. We need people to fill jobs that otherwise would be left unfilled.

I have never seen proof of this.

What I have seen is employers refusing to pay a decent wage, that could very well lead to jobs unfilled.

We need an influx of young, skilled, motivated workers eager to make a life for themselves. And for the most part, immigration achieves this.

We already have this, they are called existing Canadians. What we don't have is employers readily available to make this happen. This brings us back to the decent wage.

And it has to be "ethnic" immigration, regardless of all other moral/ethical/cultural considerations, for the simple reason that there are no "non-ethnic" (i.e. white) people still really looking to immigrate.

This is BS and you know it, unless you can supply proof.

Which brings about the question, who is responsible for forcing ethnic immigration in Canada and why?

Qualifications relating to ethnics mostly are not even recognized in this country. Are you going to employ an ethnic auto mechanic who says he can repair cars with no recognized documentation?

Maybe a few from Eastern Europe, but the numbers just aren't sufficient. White populations are falling rapidly all around the world, but our economies keep growing, and the people to run them need to come from somewhere. And that somewhere isn't Europe anymore, it's other areas of the world, with Asia being the biggest source. Canada and the US have always been countries of immigration, but over time, the sources of that immigration change, simple as that.

Proof again is required as jobs are actually decreasing in U.S/Canada due to outsourcing and foreign manufacturing. Middle class is disappearing.

But shareholders still want a good return on their investment and corporate Canada and small business co-operates in part, by hiring ethnics who work for less, day or night, weekends included. They think the conditions in Canada are great compared to the third world countries they come from.

I have no respect for ethnics who come to Canada to participate in the destruction of Canadian lifestyles and culture, effectively pulling the rug from under Canadians feet.

But this is destroying Canada and is a shame to see Canada go down the tube this way.

[marcinmoka]

I have no respect for ethnics who come to Canada to participate in the destruction of Canadian lifestyles and culture, effectively pulling the rug from under Canadians feet.

An opinion undoubtedly shared by Catholic settlers in New France in regards to the arrival of your (I presume WASPy) family. Followed by the Protestant settlers in regards to Catholic Irish immigrants. Than the Irish crying fowl upon the arrival of Ukranians, and on and on.

Leafless, out of curiosity, what are your "origins"?

Edited August 25, 2007 by marcinmoka

[Leafless]

An opinion undoubtedly shared by Catholic settlers in New France in regards to the arrival of your (I presume WASPy) family. Followed by the Protestant settlers in regards to Catholic Irish immigrants. Than the Irish crying fowl upon the arrival of Ukranians, and on and on.

Leafless, out of curiosity, what are your "origins"?

I place no emphasis on origins including my own because ever since birth my national identity in this country is being a Canadian, loyal to Canadian national objectives and Canadian ideologies. I place absolutely no importance on my families previous origins.

Canadians have fought long and hard to achieve their personal economic success only to have it destroyed by ABNORMAL ethnic mass immigration.

It would be nice if the federal government could clearly explain in a coherent manner, WHO is responsible for forcing mass ethnic immigration on Canada and WHY, knowing full well third world immigration would be problematic and divisive here in Canada.

I would sooner give my soul to Americans rather than ethnics any day if that is the choice I am left with.

[bush_cheney2004]

I would sooner give my soul to Americans rather than ethnics any day if that is the choice I am left with.

Now that is an interesting statement. Of course, many Canadians have done exactly that, but how do you reconcile a passion for Canadian nationalism with joining the "dark side" across the border, where there is no shortage of "ethnics".

[Leafless]

Now that is an interesting statement. Of course, many Canadians have done exactly that, but how do you reconcile a passion for Canadian nationalism with joining the "dark side" across the border, where there is no shortage of "ethnics".

What I am saying is there is not much left of Canadian nationalistic objectives and ideologies to support in Canada.

Americans are confronted with ILLEGAL Mexican immigration, cheap labour and outsourcing to the point where it is affecting their economy by removing legitimate job opportunities for qualified American workers.

In Canada, Canadians are confronted the with same problems but with LEGAL mass ethnic immigration with the major difference being, it is condoned and promoted by our own federal government and with the protection of Charter rights embedded in the Canadian constitution relating to religion and culture and all other rights afforded to Canadians the second they step off the boat.

In the U.S. ethnics present no real problem, as mostly they are all Americans in pursuit of the American dream like any other American.

In Canada our national objectives and ideologies have been next to none existent with the continual cultural battles between Quebec /and the other Canadian provinces and now mass ethnic immigration and the multitude of problems again further interfering with Canadian nationalistic objectives and ideologies.

In other words there is no reason to support Canada as a country anymore and this is why I said " I would sooner give my soul to Americans than in Canada to ethnics" or for that matter, Quebec whereas in the U.S. common national objectives and ideologies and loyalties are strong and unified.

[Higgly]

Personally I think the Brits should open immigration to anyone who will eat a deep fried O Henry coated in codswallop. They should then be quarantened a week and be administered a cholesterol test. Anyone with a result over that of a tea-totalling granny should be exported to France in exchange for a baguette.

Just a thought.

Edited August 25, 2007 by Higgly

[marcinmoka]

I place no emphasis on origins including my own because ever since birth my national identity in this country is being a Canadian, loyal to Canadian national objectives and Canadian ideologies. I place absolutely no importance on my families previous origins.

And on what premise are you assuming that new arrivals do not share your views? Or are you just extrapolating a few far off cases as being representative of the whole.

I myself was a new arrival at a point in time, and most likely considered strange and alien at some point in time by you or your fore bearers, and yet just a few years later, no one would question my loyalty. Unfortunately, this is anecdotal, and in truth, I cannot speak for the masses. But I must ask on what privied information are you implying that immigrants are not loyal to Canada, nor beneficial to our national objectives (though I can certainly gather your view is not based on economic arguments).

In fact, what are these "Nationalist" objectives you speak of?* I was under the impression it was to create a nation where I can live safely, I can prosper, I can marry who I want, I can worship anything I want. Unfortunately, I can not see how either Quebec, nor Immigration is an impediment towards these goals. Could you elaborate on these "true" goals?

*[unless by nationalist, you are referring to some Riefensthal-esque fantasy of kids dressed in Gretzky (oops, too ethnic sounding)......I mean Wendel Clark uniforms while chanting Mel Hurtigs name]

Edited August 27, 2007 by marcinmoka

[scribblet]

This article speaks to some of the issues on why many Brits are unhappy and leaving. When I first read the title (England Vanishing) I thought it was about the erosion of the coast - they are losing miles of it in some places.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/...ng_england.html

BELFAST, NORTHERN IRELAND -- Perhaps there will not always be an England. An exodus unprecedented in modern times, coupled with a record influx of foreigners, is threatening to erode the character of the land of William Shakespeare and overpowering monarchs, a land that served as the cradle for much of American thought, law and culture.

The figures, making headlines in London newspapers, tell only part of the story. Between June 2005 and June 2006 nearly 200,000 British citizens chose to leave the country for a new life elsewhere. During the same period, at least 574,000 immigrants came to Britain. This number does not include the people who broke the law to get there, or the thousands unknown to the government. Britain's Office of National Statistics reports that middle-class Britons are beginning to move out of towns in southern England that have become home to large numbers of immigrants, thereby altering the character of neighborhoods that have remained unchanged for generations.

Britons give many reasons for leaving, but their stories share one commonality: life in Britain has become unbearable for them. They fear lawlessness and the threat of more terrorism from a growing Muslim population and the loss of a sense of Britishness, exacerbated by the growing refusal of public schools to teach the history and culture of the nation to the next generation. What it means to be British has been watered down in a plague of political correctness that has swept the country faster than hoof-and-mouth disease. Officials say they do not wish to "offend" others. cont....

see also http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6958220.stm

[marcinmoka]

This article speaks to some of the issues on why many Brits are unhappy and leaving

But also ignores simple facts that state the obvious. Many retiring baby boomer's capitalized on the housing market, made a fortune, and than went of to the sunny enclaves of France, Spain and Australia.

While this article tries to present Brits as being xenophobic, the reality is they are flocking en masse to beach front properties near which curiously have a view of Morocco on a clear day.

May I suggest a quick trip to the towns surrounding Marbella all along the Costa del Sol (Puerto Banus et al.) and the only Spaniards you will encounter are those working in the grocery stores. Rule Britannia indeed.

[M.Dancer]

You know, Britain has or is becoming the toilet of Europe and it has little to do with Islamic culture. They have stalled and are on adownword spiral and short of some incredible moral acrobatics, they ain't pulling up .

Consider that Glasgow is Europe's murder capital.

Scotland itself has the second highest murder rate in Europe (Finland leads).

Most believe booze and drugs are the reason.

The UK leads Europe in teen pregnancies.

Chemical Drug use is rampant in the north and so are related crimes like muggings, B and Es......