Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 I didn't miss the point. That's why I suggest CUPE move to palestine. Or Venuzuela. WHich ever has the best all inclusive. Well you know, if CUPE spent all of their time obsessing about the Middle East, I'd agree with you. This was merely a resolution raised (and I believe defeated) at one of their meetings. It was not even adopted as official policy. But your response is telling, and I thank you. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Bonam Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Oh no! I'm being accused of being an anti-semite! Oh no! Fire and brimstone. Oh I am finished! It is the end. I am ruined. Ruined! All citizens of Canada have a right to base their voting support and to exercise their free speech on behalf of any issue that they feel may be important to them, including issues of foreign policy. By advocating to "isolate and counter" Jews that exercise this right, you are indeed sounding quite anti-semitic. Whether you choose to try to brush this off as a joke (as you seem to want to do in your above quoted response) is of course up to you. Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Well you know, if CUPE spent all of their time obsessing about the Middle East, I'd agree with you. This was merely a resolution raised (and I believe defeated) at one of their meetings. It was not even adopted as official policy. CUPE Ontario delegates support campaignagainst Israeli “apartheid wall” CUPE Ontario will: 1. With Palestine solidarity and human rights organization, develop an education campaign about the apartheid nature of the Israeli state and the political and economic support of Canada for these practices. 2. Support the international campaign of boycott, divestment and sanctions until Israel meets its obligation to recognize the Palestinian people's inalienable right to self-determination and fully complies with the precepts of international law including the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194. 3. Call on CUPE National to commit to research into Canadian involvement in the occupation and call on the CLC to join us in lobbying against the apartheid-like practices of the Israeli state and call for the immediate dismantling of the wall. http://cupe.on.ca/aux_file.php?aux_file_id=240 Come again real soon. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) This was a witch hunt. It has to stop. Witch hunt eh? How about your witch hunt to "isolate and counter" Canadian Jews that support Israel? These people are deliberately attacking anybody who comes within a whisper of not accepting the right wing Likud version of Israel. They focus on those people and attack them mercilessly on issues not related to Canada. Yes I believe they should be isloated and specifically addressed for what they are doing. The article regarding Montreal tells of an outcome produced for the benefit of only 10% of the electorate. According to City of Toronto Stats, the riding of St Pauls is about 15% Jewish. This is a minority that is skewing a majority result. They are not interested in Canada save as a prop for a right wing faction of a foreign country. They do not have Canada's best interests at heart. They need to be identified and specfically addressed. Edited July 31, 2007 by Higgly Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Bonam Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 How is passing resolutions on the middle-east even related to a union of Canadian public workers? They should stick to issues like wages, contracts, work conditions, etc. Isn't that what unions are for? Quote
Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) CUPE Ontario delegates support campaignagainst Israeli “apartheid wall” CUPE Ontario will: 1. With Palestine solidarity and human rights organization, develop an education campaign about the apartheid nature of the Israeli state and the political and economic support of Canada for these practices. 2. Support the international campaign of boycott, divestment and sanctions until Israel meets its obligation to recognize the Palestinian people's inalienable right to self-determination and fully complies with the precepts of international law including the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194. 3. Call on CUPE National to commit to research into Canadian involvement in the occupation and call on the CLC to join us in lobbying against the apartheid-like practices of the Israeli state and call for the immediate dismantling of the wall. http://cupe.on.ca/aux_file.php?aux_file_id=240 Come again real soon. Are you saying the resolution was adopted? I thought it was defeated. This is good news. Thanks for your input. Israel is indeed an apartheid state. Sucks doesn't it? Edited July 31, 2007 by Higgly Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
M.Dancer Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 According to City of Toronto Stats, the riding of St Pauls is about 15% Jewish. This is a minority that is skewing a majority result. What can I say.......Josh was elected. With the support of thge Jews. St. Paul's is almost 18% jewish and no one questions that this Mensch, this Lantsman ain't a good trustie...... But I must say, your smears are usually better crafted...feeling a little down are we? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 How is passing resolutions on the middle-east even related to a union of Canadian public workers? They should stick to issues like wages, contracts, work conditions, etc. Isn't that what unions are for? Not surprisingly, the pro-Israel red herrings are filling the net. My post was about a guy who never made any statements about the Middle East and who was running for a minor poltical post but who was mercilessly attacked because some one who said they supported him once expressed sympthy for the Palestinians. Try to stay with the program. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Bonam Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 They focus on those people and attack them mercilessly on issues not related to Canada. So sending letters and getting articles in papers is "attacking mecilessly". Last I heard, they were just exercising their free speech. When I see car bombs and suicide bombers, I'll grant you the merciless attack part. Yes I believe they should be isloated and specifically addressed for what they are doing. How about CUPE? Perhaps they should be isolated and specifically addressed for passing such one-sided and biased resolutions as the one M.Dancer quoted above? According to City of Toronto Stats, the riding of St Pauls is about 15% Jewish. This is a minority that is skewing a majority result. 15% is huge in a democratic riding. Results are often within a few % of a draw. Minorities having a significant influence is a big part of how democracy works. Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Sucks doesn't it? That there are so many anti semites to keep you company? Yes. That they are communist? Well, historically the communists have always been anti-semites. That they seem so pathetically dishonest and stupid...yes yes yes........... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) According to City of Toronto Stats, the riding of St Pauls is about 15% Jewish. This is a minority that is skewing a majority result. What can I say.......Josh was elected. With the support of thge Jews. St. Paul's is almost 18% jewish and no one questions that this Mensch, this Lantsman ain't a good trustie...... But I must say, your smears are usually better crafted...feeling a little down are we? Thanks for your correction. I had no idea it was as high as 18%. I guess his article expressing support for Israel had its effect. What is a Lantsman? What is a Mensch? Surely you don't expect us all to learn Yiddish too? Edited July 31, 2007 by Higgly Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Sucks doesn't it? That there are so many anti semites to keep you company? Yes. That they are communist? Well, historically the communists have always been anti-semites. That they seem so pathetically dishonest and stupid...yes yes yes........... O you mean anti-semites like Trotsky? Review your history, please. LOL. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
M.Dancer Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Not surprisingly, the pro-Israel red herrings are filling the net. My post was about a guy who never made any statements about the Middle East and who was running for a minor poltical post but who was mercilessly attacked because some one who said they supported him once expressed sympthy for the Palestinians. Try to stay with the program. Don't you mean your post is allegedly about a guy who was allegedly attacked for the support of CUPE? Still say it has the odour of bullshit. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 So sending letters and getting articles in papers is "attacking mecilessly". Last I heard, they were just exercising their free speech. When I see car bombs and suicide bombers, I'll grant you the merciless attack part. The article related to an intense email campaign attack of a minor political candidate whose mandate has nothing to do with foreign affairs and who was only supported by an organization that once expressed support for the Palestinians. But thanks for proving my point. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Not surprisingly, the pro-Israel red herrings are filling the net. My post was about a guy who never made any statements about the Middle East and who was running for a minor poltical post but who was mercilessly attacked because some one who said they supported him once expressed sympthy for the Palestinians. Try to stay with the program. Don't you mean your post is allegedly about a guy who was allegedly attacked for the support of CUPE? Still say it has the odour of bullshit. Funny there were no demands for retraction in subsequent issues. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Bonam Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 O you mean anti-semites like Trotsky? Review your history, please. LOL. If you want to go into Soviet history, perhaps rather than looking at one specific individual that was exiled and later assassinated by the Soviet leadership, you'd rather take a look at the policies of the Soviet Union itself for the majority of the time period in which it existed. You know, the systematic repression of Jews including restriction from certain professions, from certain programs in universities, and restrictions against emmigrating. Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 O you mean anti-semites like Trotsky? Review your history, please. LOL. If you want to go into Soviet history, perhaps rather than looking at one specific individual that was exiled and later assassinated by the Soviet leadership, you'd rather take a look at the policies of the Soviet Union itself for the majority of the time period in which it existed. You know, the systematic repression of Jews including restriction from certain professions, from certain programs in universities, and restrictions against emmigrating. Matlow's early activism was on behalf of Russian Jews. Russian Jews are a significant minority in St Paul's. Maybe that's why Higgly is trying to smear him. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Actually, I just think the story is bullshit, i'm sorry if I confused you. Bump Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 O you mean anti-semites like Trotsky? Review your history, please. LOL. If you want to go into Soviet history, perhaps rather than looking at one specific individual that was exiled and later assassinated by the Soviet leadership, you'd rather take a look at the policies of the Soviet Union itself for the majority of the time period in which it existed. You know, the systematic repression of Jews including restriction from certain professions, from certain programs in universities, and restrictions against emmigrating. Yeah right. Well if you want to get into that, we can also discuss the over 10 million Ukrainians that Joseph Stalin murdered. The accusation was that communists are anti-semitic. In fact there were leaders of the Bolshevik revolution who were Jews. There were others. Bigger ones. Do a little research LOL. You'll be surprised. Really surprised. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Bump Nothing new to add? Reduced to the bump? Heh heh. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Rue Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 I'm saying the only difference is that Abbas is talking whereas Hamas is not. Are you saying Israel would talk to Hamas? What gave you that idea? The same idea that you think I want to talk to you. Quote
Rue Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 [ Israel is indeed an apartheid state. Once again prove to us all the extent of your intelligence. Thanks for sharing. I consdier myself fortunate when you come on this forum. I learn so much from you. Quote
Bonam Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 (edited) Yeah right. Well if you want to get into that, we can also discuss the over 10 million Ukrainians that Joseph Stalin murdered. The accusation was that communists are anti-semitic. In fact there were leaders of the Bolshevik revolution who were Jews. There were others. Bigger ones. Do a little research LOL. You'll be surprised. Really surprised. Yes, Stalin and the Soviet Union killed millions of its own people, of all religions and ethnicities. In any case, I don't necessarily agree with the statement that "all communists are anti-semitic". Communism in some countries existed without having any opinion on Jews whatsoever, whether for or against. I was simply countering your irrelevant point about Trotsky. And yes, you are correct in that some of the leaders of the communist revolution in Russia were Jews themselves, which is in fact one of the reasons that they were later hated in Germany (Hitler associated Jews with Communists, which he also despised). However, that doesn't change the fact that for the majority of the Soviet Union's existence, official policies included means specifically restricting Jews from certain activities. Edited July 31, 2007 by Bonam Quote
Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 The same idea that you think I want to talk to you. You just did. Maybe there is hope for you yet Rue. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
Higgly Posted July 31, 2007 Report Posted July 31, 2007 Yeah right. Well if you want to get into that, we can also discuss the over 10 million Ukrainians that Joseph Stalin murdered. The accusation was that communists are anti-semitic. In fact there were leaders of the Bolshevik revolution who were Jews. There were others. Bigger ones. Do a little research LOL. You'll be surprised. Really surprised. Yes, Stalin and the Soviet Union killed millions of its own people, of all religions and ethnicities. In any case, I don't necessarily agree with the statement that "all communists are anti-semitic". Communism in some countries existed without having any opinion on Jews whatsoever, whether for or against. I was simply countering your irrelevant point about Trotsky. And yes, you are correct in that some of the leaders of the communist revolution in Russia were Jews themselves, which is in fact one of the reasons that they were later hated in Germany (Hitler associated Jews with Communists, which he also despised). However, that doesn't change the fact that for the majority of the Soviet Union's existence, official policies included means specifically restricting Jews from certain activities. Yeah right. Hitler attacked Russia because of the Jews. Get a grip. Hitler attacked Russia for the same reason Napolean did. Megalomania. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
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