An interesting perspective on the Middle east

[fellowtraveller]

Which is summarized IT'S BEST TO IGNORE THE MIDDLE EAST.

From the National Post.....

[ScottSA]

Yes, it would be nice if Israelis and Palestinians could settle their differences, but it would do little or nothing to calm the other conflicts in the Middle East from Algeria to Iraq, or to stop Muslim-Hindu violence in Kashmir, Muslim-Christian violence in Indonesia and the Philippines, Muslim-Buddhist violence in Thailand, Muslim-animist violence in Sudan, Muslim-Igbo violence in Nigeria, Muslim-Muscovite violence in Chechnya, or the different varieties of inter-Muslim violence between traditionalists and Islamists, and between Sunnis and Shiites, nor would it assuage the perfectly understandable hostility of convinced Islamists towards the transgressive west that relentlessly invades their minds, and sometimes their countries.

I suppose Lutwak is a "racist bigot" too for pointing out the reality. Excellent article

[myata]

Sure is. As if by repeating that word over and again he (and the like) could suddenly will all other kinds of "violence" that exist in this world away.

[fellowtraveller]

I believe it was George Bush who pointed out that Islam is a religion of peace.

Luttwak disagrees with President Bush, and goes on to list the curiously long ltany of conflicts, some of them apparently without end or any conceivable solution other than the complete obliteration of every infidel on the planet.

Maybe he is a bigot. That does not make everyhting he says wrong.

[myata]

Not everything. I would agree that their culture is different, their technology is less advanced and their societies work in a different way. But it's still no reason to release that urge to enlighted the world according to my view of how it should work. So, yes, why won't we leave them alone? Good question to ask Messirs Bush, Blair and the Co.

[ScottSA]

Sure is. As if by repeating that word over and again he (and the like) could suddenly will all other kinds of "violence" that exist in this world away.

I would suggest that Islam has its finger in a disproportionate number of the conflicts around the world today. The reason he was repeating the word over and over is because Islam is involved over and over.

[kuzadd]

Sure is. As if by repeating that word over and again he (and the like) could suddenly will all other kinds of "violence" that exist in this world away.

I would suggest that Islam has its finger in a disproportionate number of the conflicts around the world today. The reason he was repeating the word over and over is because Islam is involved over and over.

Actually wouldn't it be far more realistic to say that the US has it's finger in a greatly disproportionate number of conflicts all over the world.

Far more reflective of reality.

Islam is merely the scapegoat, like communism previously , or Jews, symbolic boogey men for the dumbed down masses. Justification for war.

[scribblet]

I would suggest that Islam has its finger in a disproportionate number of the conflicts around the world today. The reason he was repeating the word over and over is because Islam is involved over and over.

Which is the big problem of course and would it stop being involved if we were to 'leave them alone'.

Maybe we should leave them alone, entirely, including Darfur. Also not give financial aid or support and only buy or trade as required or needed. Would leaving them alone include not allowing any more muslim immigration? Would leaving them alone mean pulling out our embassies too?

Leaving them alone means stopping all support and aid, militarily, political, economicly or otherwise for all of the Muslim regimes as you can't have it both ways. I wonder what Amnesty International would say when we pull our troops out and sit back to watch the ensuing slaughter and carnage.

If we did leave them alone entirely how would we handle this type of threat, or would we simply ignore it and hope it never happens.

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[buffycat]

Leaving them alone means quit screwing with their politcs, assassinating their leaders and installing radical puppet regimes.

Should've left Mossadeq alone, in fact - leave the entire region alone wrt black ops, military interventionism, and funding of extremist groups.

Sorry that you guys are all so full of hate - reminds me of another time...not so long ago that there aren't folk alive today that can tell you all about it. (Of course you won't hear from them on the war drumming msm!).

Carry on your drooling over more war and more innocents dying - afterall they are just muslims - inferior and well, not even human eh?

*spit*

[scribblet]

*spit*

Don't get any on your screen, and don't forget to take wipe the foam off your mouth

[myata]

Leaving them alone means quit screwing with their politcs, assassinating their leaders and installing radical puppet regimes.

Should've left Mossadeq alone, in fact - leave the entire region alone wrt black ops, military interventionism, and funding of extremist groups.

Sorry that you guys are all so full of hate - reminds me of another time...not so long ago that there aren't folk alive today that can tell you all about it. (Of course you won't hear from them on the war drumming msm!).

Carry on your drooling over more war and more innocents dying - afterall they are just muslims - inferior and well, not even human eh?

Pretty much summarizes it. Not much can be added. If you truly stopped meddling in their affars and held to it for a while (like, long while - the policy of interference has been going on since early 1900), and they're still bent on "destroying your democratic values" a la Blair, you have a case. Otherwise it's just a load of nonsense for the want of more explicit word.

[buffycat]

*spit*

Don't get any on your screen, and don't forget to take wipe the foam off your mouth

No worries Scriblett, it's in my spitoon, which I keep close by for reading YOUR posts!!

*snicker*

[buffycat]

If you truly stopped meddling in their affars and held to it for a while (like, long while - the policy of interference has been going on since early 1900), and they're still bent on "destroying your democratic values" a la Blair, you have a case. Otherwise it's just a load of nonsense for the want of more explicit word.

Yep.

Here's a scenario this whole thing reminds me of:

"Mommy!!! I keep hitting the wasp nest with a stick and they keep attacking me!!!"

Can anyone say 'provocation'? Yep, I knew ya could!

Seriously though, the West has turned into the little bully of the schoolyard who happens also to be the teachers pet - she continually dips other's ponytails into inkwells then screams bloody murder when called onto the carpet for her bad behaviour - even going so far as to blame the poor girl whose ponytail is now blackened! (Cuz - you know those terrorists all wear ponytails).

But hey guys, keep praying for more war - I'm sure you'll get it! Do you guys have orgasms when they bomb those nasty Muslims?

[fellowtraveller]

If you truly stopped meddling in their affars and held to it for a while (like, long while - the policy of interference has been going on since early 1900), and they're still bent on "destroying your democratic values" a la Blair, you have a case. Otherwise it's just a load of nonsense for the want of more explicit word.

Yep.

Here's a scenario this whole thing reminds me of:

"Mommy!!! I keep hitting the wasp nest with a stick and they keep attacking me!!!"

Can anyone say 'provocation'? Yep, I knew ya could!

Seriously though, the West has turned into the little bully of the schoolyard who happens also to be the teachers pet - she continually dips other's ponytails into inkwells then screams bloody murder when called onto the carpet for her bad behaviour - even going so far as to blame the poor girl whose ponytail is now blackened! (Cuz - you know those terrorists all wear ponytails).

But hey guys, keep praying for more war - I'm sure you'll get it! Do you guys have orgasms when they bomb those nasty Muslims?

So, to summarize your postion, which does seem a bit contradictory: the West should comply with the basic premise of the artickle, and back out entirely from the Middle East, allow those societies to realize their own dreams without the poison of our cultures?

No more bullying, a complete lack of involvement? They don't really need or want our money or help anyway, since so many states in the region have so much oil money.

Is that what you are saying?

After all, providing aid of any sort to anybodyis a political statement, a 'provocative act', right?

[myata]

No more bullying,

definitely

a complete lack of involvement?

How did you make this logical transition, I beg ya? Would such notions as "fair trade", "common issues", "peace and stability" be totally and completely beyound us?

After all, providing aid of any sort to anybodyis a political statement, a 'provocative act', right?

Not "any" aid. But massive military aid to cronies, most certainly.

[fellowtraveller]

Would you agree that virtually any aid given to any country is political in nature?

You support aid given to nations that have 'common issues'? Isn't that simply a euphemism for supporting a regime that you happen to agree with?

'Peace and stability'? Syria and North Korea are examples of countries that have 'peace and stability' internally, there is no dissent allowed. By sending those countries major aid, aren't we supporting that regime, using your criteria?

[Argus]

Leaving them alone means quit screwing with their politcs, assassinating their leaders and installing radical puppet regimes.

Should've left Mossadeq alone, in fact - leave the entire region alone wrt black ops, military interventionism, and funding of extremist groups

I'm betting that "leave the whole region alone" means not only no interference with Muslims but no money to the dirty Jews in hopes the Muslims will soon disappear the whole lot of them. Am I right?

Does "no interferance" also mean ignoring it if Israel blows the crap out of its nearby neighbours and expands to ten times its size? Or does it only include no interference when it's Muslims attacking others? Did you think about that or do you think before you post?

Sorry that you guys are all so full of hate -

And you are just full of DUMB.

[scribblet]

And you are just full of DUMB.

Not to mention spit and foam

[BC_chick]

I would suggest that Islam has its finger in a disproportionate number of the conflicts around the world today. The reason he was repeating the word over and over is because Islam is involved over and over.

Its territory is also by far the biggest, I'm sure that plays a factor in it.

[Rue]

I would suggest that Islam has its finger in a disproportionate number of the conflicts around the world today. The reason he was repeating the word over and over is because Islam is involved over and over.

Its territory is also by far the biggest, I'm sure that plays a factor in it.

Absolutely. Geographic size, population distribution, economic development, religious evolutionary development, all are important factors.

Me personally, I believe the concept of being "isolationist" i.e., thinking if we just ignore people, they will go away is silly and its far from a new notion.

I think because of terrorism, famines, war, natural disasters, medical pandemics, world trade. the internet, air-travel, multi-national financial empires, and the International Monetary Fund and its policies, all countries and societies, whether we like it or not, affect each other and the notion we can ignore each other has become impossible.

The first world exists as it does precisely because of the third and fourth world remaining what they are. To pretend the first world can just ignore the third world it uses for its resources when its not convenient, is silly.

Past the silliness, me personally, I can not imagine saying, let's just leave countries alone and not have a world vision. No I am not part of the illuminati conspiring for a one world government but I think its absurd to think the planet's humans can stay in isolated in-bred isolationist pockets and try ignore each other. where you from Banglaqdesh-poof begone. You where you from, Iran you say-poof begone! Darfur-poof begone!

Let's just hold our breath and Darfur no longer exists or those quarrelsome Muslims and Jews of the Middle East will go away. Sorry, I find this notion of isolationism a symptom of people who want to segregate and hide from anything they can't conquer and control. Make those angry savages go away-poof begone!

Got news for you. They live next door to you now. Good luck gating your community. Eventually you will have to come out, if for no oher reason to pay one of those savages for something you need.