Shakeyhands Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 Interesting issue arising in Toronto. I've contended here before that certain partis have tried to equate support of the troops with support of the CPC vision. http://www.thestar.com/News/article/227299 My daughter, who is attending RMC and is currently in St Jean sur Richilieu QC at her BOTP course recently sent me one of these from the Canex store for a new vehicle I have, I'm hard pressed to put it on my vehicle because of the inferece that supporters of displaying these magnets also support Harpers views militarily. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
cybercoma Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 People and businesses all over Fredericton display these in support of the troops who are at CFB Gagetown. I believe it is clearly understood that the yellow ribbon is support for the soldiers and not necessarily the mission. I'm thinking a family member in the military would be pretty hurt if you refused to show support for them. Quote
scribblet Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 Strange that the left has always told us that they support the troops, just not the war and it is not a political statement - but now all of a sudden supporting the troops is a political statement and it shouldn't be done. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Shakeyhands Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Posted June 20, 2007 no...... Scriblett, you are twisting facts now. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
White Doors Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 No scriblett is spot on. The far left doesn't support the troops because they don't like western society. ergo, whatever the troops are fighting for - they don't believe in. If you don't support the mission then you do not support the troops. No matter for what cause they were deployed no matter where it was, if it involved any of this 'war' business, the left would find it controversial. Always has and always will. Too bad Toronto seems to be infested with these parasites. Unbelieveable that this could ever be considered a controversial issue. Only in Toronto. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Army Guy Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 My daughter, who is attending RMC and is currently in St Jean sur Richilieu QC at her BOTP course recently sent me one of these from the Canex store for a new vehicle I have, I'm hard pressed to put it on my vehicle because of the inferece that supporters of displaying these magnets also support Harpers views militarily. Do you support your daughter's decision to join the military, if yes then show her, and the hell what everyone else thinks, if anyone asks tell them exactly how you think. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Shakeyhands Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Posted June 20, 2007 If you don't support the mission then you do not support the troops. This is the point I make, I don't necessarily support what the mission has become, and your statment bears out what I was saying to a T. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Shakeyhands Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Posted June 20, 2007 My daughter, who is attending RMC and is currently in St Jean sur Richilieu QC at her BOTP course recently sent me one of these from the Canex store for a new vehicle I have, I'm hard pressed to put it on my vehicle because of the inferece that supporters of displaying these magnets also support Harpers views militarily. Do you support your daughter's decision to join the military, if yes then show her, and the hell what everyone else thinks, if anyone asks tell them exactly how you think. I do support her and all our troops. But I do not want that confused with support for the present governments 'mission'. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
jdobbin Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 If you don't support the mission then you do not support the troops. So if Harper mismanages the mission, people still have to support it because to do otherwise shows lack of support for the troops? Look, Bush has tried this for years in Iraq. At first it worked but now it is unconvincing. People in Canada support the troops, believe in them. They just don't necessarily believe that the mission in Afghanistan is managed well or that the objectives that Harper has set out are achievable in any short, medium and possibly long term timeframes. Go ahead if you like and see if the tact of painting everyone who doesn't support the mission as not supporting the troops. That is the majority, the vast majority of Canadians. Get their back up and see what happens Quote
Army Guy Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 People in Canada support the troops, believe in them. They support them and believe in them to a piont. That piont comes to a quick end when it comes to funding, purchases equipment to keep them safe, or interfers with any of our social programs. They just don't necessarily believe that the mission in Afghanistan is managed well or that the objectives that Harper has set out are achievable in any short, medium and possibly long term timeframes. Then they need to drive this piont home to the harper government, in a unified voice. But the majority don't all speak as one, there is many reasons why they want us out of afgan, most don't have anything to do with your stated reasons. Go ahead if you like and see if the tact of painting everyone who doesn't support the mission as not supporting the troops. That is the majority, the vast majority of Canadians. Get their back up and see what happens If that is what is going to take to get some form of action out of Canadians then it might be worth it, a majority of Canadians supported this mission at the beginning , which played a major role in our deployment, now our soldiers are left holding the bag until the majority speaks again.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
runningdog Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 I don't agree with the mission (or the CPC on many fronts), but it is important for the family members to see the support (I have numerous military friends). I have a "support the troops" magnet on my car for them. Anything to make those people feel a little better until their loved ones return. Quote
Drea Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 Soldiers deserve our support. It is not their decision as to where they are "sent". We can only support them (the soldiers, not the mission) and hope for their safe return. When one signs up for the military, one must understand that they may be sent on a mission that is disagreeable to some portion of the population -- even if the mission is disagreeable to the soldier -- he/she has made a committment to the military and must follow orders. Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
White Doors Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 If you don't support the mission then you do not support the troops. This is the point I make, I don't necessarily support what the mission has become, and your statment bears out what I was saying to a T. And for what reason exactly would you not support it? Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
White Doors Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 My daughter, who is attending RMC and is currently in St Jean sur Richilieu QC at her BOTP course recently sent me one of these from the Canex store for a new vehicle I have, I'm hard pressed to put it on my vehicle because of the inferece that supporters of displaying these magnets also support Harpers views militarily. Do you support your daughter's decision to join the military, if yes then show her, and the hell what everyone else thinks, if anyone asks tell them exactly how you think. I do support her and all our troops. But I do not want that confused with support for the present governments 'mission'. What an odd statement. I know that you are aware that the present government's mission is the exact same one they inherited by the previous governments. I know you know that. So in effect, what you are saying is because you don't like the CPC you don't, or are now unsure, of the mission to Afghanistan. How odd that you let yourself become so partisan. How odd again that your partisanship appears to be a stronger bond than that which you have with your own daughter. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Fortunata Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 Let's just get over the "if you don't support the mission you don't support the troops" BS. It is not necessarily true, it is possible to do both and those of you who use that argument is doing as much to destroy troop morale as those who do not support either the mission or the troops. Why try to be so dishonest about things? Quote
White Doors Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 If you don't support the mission then you do not support the troops. So if Harper mismanages the mission, people still have to support it because to do otherwise shows lack of support for the troops? Look, Bush has tried this for years in Iraq. At first it worked but now it is unconvincing. People in Canada support the troops, believe in them. They just don't necessarily believe that the mission in Afghanistan is managed well or that the objectives that Harper has set out are achievable in any short, medium and possibly long term timeframes. Go ahead if you like and see if the tact of painting everyone who doesn't support the mission as not supporting the troops. That is the majority, the vast majority of Canadians. Get their back up and see what happens Speaking of partisanship... Again, the mission and goals have not changed since the day the liberals agreed to help Nato with this mission. What does this have to do with Harper? I see, you want to equate Bush with harper. Sorry, I got it now. Carry on. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
White Doors Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 Let's just get over the "if you don't support the mission you don't support the troops" BS. It is not necessarily true, it is possible to do both and those of you who use that argument is doing as much to destroy troop morale as those who do not support either the mission or the troops. Why try to be so dishonest about things? Explain to me how you can increase the troops morale in afghanistan, who are risking their lives for us btw, by saying that mission they are on is 'not worth it'. You explain to me how you can not support this mission and increase the troops morale? If you don;t support this mission which is UN mandated, what mission could you support? Why don't you support this mission? Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Drea Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 "We support the fact that you are our military" "We support you and wish you health and safety in the face of the danger you are in". See? Support the troops without even mentioning the "mission". Easy peasy! Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
Guest chilipeppers Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 What an odd statement. I know that you are aware that the present government's mission is the exact same one they inherited by the previous governments. I know you know that.So in effect, what you are saying is because you don't like the CPC you don't, or are now unsure, of the mission to Afghanistan. How odd that you let yourself become so partisan. How odd again that your partisanship appears to be a stronger bond than that which you have with your own daughter. Guess they conveniently forgot those little facts and so does Toronto's left wing city hall so why would they even debate this when our soldiers (combat troops not peacekeepers you know) are dying. Quote
White Doors Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 "We support the fact that you are our military" "We support you and wish you health and safety in the face of the danger you are in". See? Support the troops without even mentioning the "mission". Easy peasy! How can you We support you and wish you health and safety in the face of the danger you are in and in the same breath say that the mission is doomed to fail and they troops should be withdrawn poste haste?See, simple minds simple answers. Unfortunately(?), the real world is much more complicated than the workings of your frontal lobe. Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Shakeyhands Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Posted June 20, 2007 Speaking of partisanship... Again, the mission and goals have not changed since the day the liberals agreed to help Nato with this mission. What does this have to do with Harper? I see, you want to equate Bush with harper. Sorry, I got it now. Carry on. Who's trying to kid who here? The mission certainly has changed. The original mission was for Canadian troops to provide security and help build infrastructure, not to be chasing the taliban around. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
White Doors Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 Speaking of partisanship... Again, the mission and goals have not changed since the day the liberals agreed to help Nato with this mission. What does this have to do with Harper? I see, you want to equate Bush with harper. Sorry, I got it now. Carry on. Who's trying to kid who here? The mission certainly has changed. The original mission was for Canadian troops to provide security and help build infrastructure, not to be chasing the taliban around. cite? Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Shakeyhands Posted June 20, 2007 Author Report Posted June 20, 2007 cite? "The mission changed" http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...0410?hub=Canada Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Drea Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 "We support the fact that you are our military" "We support you and wish you health and safety in the face of the danger you are in". See? Support the troops without even mentioning the "mission". Easy peasy! How can you We support you and wish you health and safety in the face of the danger you are in and in the same breath say that the mission is doomed to fail and they troops should be withdrawn poste haste?See, simple minds simple answers. Unfortunately(?), the real world is much more complicated than the workings of your frontal lobe. Why in the sweet F**K would you feel the need to insult me? Did I (me, Drea, not someone else) SAY the mission was doomed to fail? In fact, I didn't mention the "mission" at all. Those in the military deserve our full support -- the govt of the day (and the decisions made by said govt) does not. Do you hate all the poor sob's who had to fight in Vietman because you didn't agree with it?(never mind, you probably agreed with it). Quote ...jealous much? Booga Booga! Hee Hee Hee
White Doors Posted June 20, 2007 Report Posted June 20, 2007 cite? "The mission changed" http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...0410?hub=Canada haha from your own link: Former prime minister Jean Chretien offered military assistance to the United States in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks on that country by al Qaeda operatives. The U.S. began conducting military operations in Afghanistan, where al Qaeda had been based and operated training camps, in October 2001.Canadian special forces troops started operating near Kandahar in December 2001, and regular infantry arrived in January 2002. Canadian forces returned home but were deployed again in 2003 to conduct peacekeeping around Afghanistan's capital of Kabul. In July 2005, Canada started shifting its troops to Kandahar. By February, there were 2,200 Canadian troops in Kandahar. The mission changed from providing security to nation-building activities like helping rebuild communities -- plus finding and killing Taliban insurgents. "Reconstruction is not possible without security," Dosanjh said during the debate, adding the Liberals know the current mission is a high-risk one. in case you didn't notice or can't remember, the liberals were in power in July of 2005. Anything else? Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
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