Flag burning

[ScottSA]

Old article, but this really strikes home lol...

Banning flag desecration flatters the desecrators and suggests that the flag of this great republic is a wee delicate bloom that has to be protected. It’s not. It gets burned because it’s strong. I’m a Canadian and one day, during the Kosovo war, I switched on the TV and there were some fellows jumping up and down in Belgrade burning the Stars and Stripes and the Union Jack. Big deal, seen it a million times. But then to my astonishment some of those excitable Serbs produced a Maple Leaf from somewhere and started torching that. Don’t ask me why – we had a small contribution to the Kosovo bombing campaign but evidently it was enough to arouse the ire of Slobo’s boys. I’ve never been so proud to be Canadian in years. I turned the sound up to see if they were yelling “Death to the Little Satan!”, but you can’t have everything.

http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/332/

[betsy]

But then to my astonishment some of those excitable Serbs produced a Maple Leaf from somewhere and started torching that. Don’t ask me why – we had a small contribution to the Kosovo bombing campaign but evidently it was enough to arouse the ire of Slobo’s boys. I’ve never been so proud to be Canadian in years. I turned the sound up to see if they were yelling “Death to the Little Satan!”, but you can’t have everything.

http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/332/

I'd be proud when we can freely express our sentiments in retaliation for these insults by being able to freely draw cartoons - in our own country!

[Drea]

Isn't it just so totally awesome to be hated! Soooo coool -- now we are just like the USA!!!! (jumpin' up and down with joy)

Whoo hooo -- P-A-R-T-Y!

Git out the grits n beer Bubba -- the party's comin' to the land of the Maple Leaf.

/sarcasm*

*just in case you could not tell...

[Peter F]

Isn't it just so totally awesome to be hated! Soooo coool -- now we are just like the USA!!!! (jumpin' up and down with joy)

Whoo hooo -- P-A-R-T-Y!

Git out the grits n beer Bubba -- the party's comin' to the land of the Maple Leaf.

/sarcasm*

*just in case you could not tell...

...such things make us "world class". Why someones sense of pride is dependant upon fruitcakes in other lands is beyond me.

[betsy]

It's funny how some people express their pride. Both Drea and Peter imagine Canadians - and therefore themselves - as superior to the Americans. That in itself is funny enough. But to make it funnier, they attack the best ally we have - the one who will protect their freedom when our own country fails to do so - and at the same time, with a bravado they find repulsive in Americans, they pretend not to care about our lunatic enemies' feelings about us.

[Peter F]

It's funny how some people express their pride. Both Drea and Peter imagine Canadians - and therefore themselves - as superior to the Americans. That in itself is funny enough. But to make it funnier, they attack the best ally we have - the one who will protect their freedom when our own country fails to do so - and at the same time, with a bravado they find repulsive in Americans, they pretend not to care about our lunatic enemies' feelings about us.

as John Cleese said in the 'Cheese Shop Skit'; Do please explain the logic underlying that conclusion.

[Drea]

It's funny how some people express their pride. Both Drea and Peter imagine Canadians - and therefore themselves - as superior to the Americans. That in itself is funny enough. But to make it funnier, they attack the best ally we have - the one who will protect their freedom when our own country fails to do so - and at the same time, with a bravado they find repulsive in Americans, they pretend not to care about our lunatic enemies' feelings about us.

Yah Betsy

We should prostrate ourselves and PRAY to the great USA god that they don't invade our useless nogoodfornothin country.

You have very low self esteem Betsy.

[JerrySeinfeld]

It's funny how some people express their pride. Both Drea and Peter imagine Canadians - and therefore themselves - as superior to the Americans. That in itself is funny enough. But to make it funnier, they attack the best ally we have - the one who will protect their freedom when our own country fails to do so - and at the same time, with a bravado they find repulsive in Americans, they pretend not to care about our lunatic enemies' feelings about us.

Yah Betsy

We should prostrate ourselves and PRAY to the great USA god that they don't invade our useless nogoodfornothin country.

You have very low self esteem Betsy.

You and peter need to cool it.

Knee jerk anti-americanism is so "2002 France" - and so cliche Canadian.

I think the point of the quoted article was that if someone burns your flag - you must stand for something.

As a wise man once said - if you're pissing people off you must be doing something right!

[betsy]

It's funny how some people express their pride. Both Drea and Peter imagine Canadians - and therefore themselves - as superior to the Americans. That in itself is funny enough. But to make it funnier, they attack the best ally we have - the one who will protect their freedom when our own country fails to do so - and at the same time, with a bravado they find repulsive in Americans, they pretend not to care about our lunatic enemies' feelings about us.

as John Cleese said in the 'Cheese Shop Skit'; Do please explain the logic underlying that conclusion.

What logic is required to make an observation? It's based on what you two said in your less-than-intelligent post.

Check out Jerry's last post! He understands.

[scribblet]

It's funny how some people express their pride. Both Drea and Peter imagine Canadians - and therefore themselves - as superior to the Americans. That in itself is funny enough. But to make it funnier, they attack the best ally we have - the one who will protect their freedom when our own country fails to do so - and at the same time, with a bravado they find repulsive in Americans, they pretend not to care about our lunatic enemies' feelings about us.

Right on....

Back in 1969 Red Skelton said that the Pledge of Allegiance would be someday considered a prayer and be eliminated - he's not far off

The Founding Fathers hated tyranny as much as they loved fundamental rights and gave the U.S. the pledge, nothing wrong with being proud of your country. Nothing wrong with uniting the country with a sense of pride and nationalism which gives people a sense of pride and identity.

I suppose Canadian anti-Americanism gives some people an assumed sense of moral superiority - kind of a feel good thing -

[Peter F]

It's funny how some people express their pride. Both Drea and Peter imagine Canadians - and therefore themselves - as superior to the Americans. That in itself is funny enough. But to make it funnier, they attack the best ally we have - the one who will protect their freedom when our own country fails to do so - and at the same time, with a bravado they find repulsive in Americans, they pretend not to care about our lunatic enemies' feelings about us.

Right on....

Back in 1969 Red Skelton said that the Pledge of Allegiance would be someday considered a prayer and be eliminated - he's not far off

The Founding Fathers hated tyranny as much as they loved fundamental rights and gave the U.S. the pledge, nothing wrong with being proud of your country. Nothing wrong with uniting the country with a sense of pride and nationalism which gives people a sense of pride and identity.

I suppose Canadian anti-Americanism gives some people an assumed sense of moral superiority - kind of a feel good thing -

Again, please explain the logic underlying the conclusion that I am Anti-American.

I re-iterate; Mr Steyn is pleased that someone somewhere is treating his nations flag just like they treat the American flag. Oh happy day.

My point is Mr Steyn relies upon other peoples retarded and meaningless actions in order to get warm fuzzies - Why? Because he feels that he is being treated just like an American! Would he have pissed himself with glee if it was the Belgian flag being burnt before the Canadian? No.

Such patriotism simply shows a total lack of patriotism.

Nuthin Anti-American about it.

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[betsy]

My point is Mr Steyn relies upon other peoples retarded and meaningless actions in order to get warm fuzzies - Why? Because he feels that he is being treated just like an American! Would he have pissed himself with glee if it was the Belgian flag being burnt before the Canadian? No.

I guess it is about what the American flag stands for - that's what gives Steyn this "fuzzies".

I definitely wouldn't have any warm fuzzies if our flag was torched following the flag of Zimbabwe or Cuba or Iran.

I wouldn't even feel any fuzzies - in fact I'd be a little bit worried - if ours followed the torching of France's (knowing the nudge-nudge-wink-wink among other allies during WW2).

Relating this to everyday life....I wonder who among you would have the "fuzzies" if your "taste" and lifestyle was compared to that of trailer-park trash instead of, let's say....Jackie O?

Such patriotism simply shows a total lack of patriotism.

Huh? What does THAT mean?

[BC_chick]

...such things make us "world class". Why someones sense of pride is dependant upon fruitcakes in other lands is beyond me.

I was really "proud" to see a group of the God Hates Fags bunch holding a Canadian flag upside down for allowing SSM.

[BC_chick]

Knee jerk anti-americanism is so "2002 France" - and so cliche Canadian.

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As a wise man once said - if you're pissing people off you must be doing something right!

So that means France 2002 was doing something right? How about Hamas 2007?

[kuzadd]

more persecution complex?

[ScottSA]

It's funny how some people express their pride. Both Drea and Peter imagine Canadians - and therefore themselves - as superior to the Americans. That in itself is funny enough. But to make it funnier, they attack the best ally we have - the one who will protect their freedom when our own country fails to do so - and at the same time, with a bravado they find repulsive in Americans, they pretend not to care about our lunatic enemies' feelings about us.

Right on....

Back in 1969 Red Skelton said that the Pledge of Allegiance would be someday considered a prayer and be eliminated - he's not far off

The Founding Fathers hated tyranny as much as they loved fundamental rights and gave the U.S. the pledge, nothing wrong with being proud of your country. Nothing wrong with uniting the country with a sense of pride and nationalism which gives people a sense of pride and identity.

I suppose Canadian anti-Americanism gives some people an assumed sense of moral superiority - kind of a feel good thing -

Again, please explain the logic underlying the conclusion that I am Anti-American.

I re-iterate; Mr Steyn is pleased that someone somewhere is treating his nations flag just like they treat the American flag. Oh happy day.

My point is Mr Steyn relies upon other peoples retarded and meaningless actions in order to get warm fuzzies - Why? Because he feels that he is being treated just like an American! Would he have pissed himself with glee if it was the Belgian flag being burnt before the Canadian? No.

Such patriotism simply shows a total lack of patriotism.

Nuthin Anti-American about it.

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You seem to have entirely missed the point he was making. His happiness has nothing to do with the fact that Canada is being treated like the US; it has to do with why Canada is being treated like the US. I'm embarrassed for you for having to explain this. Are you so far dragged into nihilism that you don't even understand the concept of national pride?

[Peter F]

You seem to have entirely missed the point he was making. His happiness has nothing to do with the fact that Canada is being treated like the US; it has to do with why Canada is being treated like the US. I'm embarrassed for you for having to explain this. Are you so far dragged into nihilism that you don't even understand the concept of national pride?

I understand national pride. National pride is an emotion. There is nothing rational about it - it is pure emotion. I got over it during my stint in the navy. So yes, you're going to have to explain Steyn's re-action to me because Steyn's story makes no rational sense:

Some angry folks burn a canadian flag. Steyn gets choked up. Why? because the angry folks are treating the Canadian flag like the American flag. Steyn's tears flow because finally Canada is equated with the USofA. Steyn feels national pride in Canada at that moment because Canada has become (to the folks who burn flags) America. A kind of American Mini-me.

Do you find Steyn's experience understandable? If so perhaps you could explain your emotional reaction to the flag burning.

Once upon a time...I was on a frieghter heading across to Europe. I tuned into Radio Belgium. The announcer was reading the news and reported the results of Canada's election as a headline. I, like Steyn got choked and tears welled up in my eyes. That is National Pride. and just as ridiculous.