Countdown to Israel's destruction has begun

[scribblet]

Here we go again, this guy is going to end up causing the whole world a lot more grief. Obviously he's trying to stir it up but for what end - to raise oil prices or to stir up more violence in the M.E.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3407915,00.html

Countdown to Israel's destruction has begun, says Ahmadinejad

Iranian president says Israel's disappearance imminent, 'Zionist regime' will have to bow down to Palestinians. Iranian FM meets with Hamas, Jihad, leader in Damascus, urging them to continue struggle against Jewish state

"The arrogant superpowers and the Zionist regime invested all their efforts during the 33-day war, but after 60 years, their pride has been trampled and the countdown to the destruction of this regime has been started by Hizbullah fighters," the president was quoted as saying by Iranian news agency Mehr.

Ahmadinejad added that "with the help of all the Lebanese and Palestinian fighters, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future… Anyone who works for God and believes in the power of the people will prevail."

Israel is not the only nation about to collapse, according to the Iranian president. The other "corrupt" nations will also give in to the Islamic republic's strength and suffer the same fate.... cont.

also reported here

http://www.naharnet.com/domino/tn/Newsdesk...CD?OpenDocument

[sharkman]

There is an ancient expression that I first read in the Bible that says something along the lines of he who is putting on his armour should not brag like one who is taking it off.

Whatever Ahmadinejad's agenda, he is making a strike on his country more likely.

[Guest chilipeppers]

Could be his agenda is to take the heat off Irans economic problems, if not its hard to figure out what he really hopes to accomplish. At least he does bring forward the problem of anti semitism that many on the left seem to support.

[Figleaf]

Here we go again, this guy is going to end up causing the whole world a lot more grief. Obviously he's trying to stir it up but for what end - to raise oil prices or to stir up more violence in the M.E.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3407915,00.html

Countdown to Israel's destruction has begun, says Ahmadinejad

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"with the help of all the Lebanese and Palestinian fighters, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future… Anyone who works for God and believes in the power of the people will prevail."

So, which thing did Aminijihad actually say? Destruction of Israel, or destruction of the regime in Israel?

[Guest chilipeppers]

I would say its a moot point as far as that guy is concerned.

Anyhow, five million democratically minded Jews, with no natural resources, pose a threat to six hundred million oil rich and military-minded Arabs? But hey, intelligent people have been fooled by even greater deceptions. George Bernard Shaw called Hitler a great man.

[scribblet]

According to this news source, he said Israel: Also so it on the ticker tape on CNN.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/i...Type=RSS&rpc=22

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's president said on Sunday the Lebanese and the Palestinians had pressed a "countdown button" to bring an end to Israel.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who triggered outrage in the West two years ago when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map", has often referred to the destruction of the Jewish state but says Iran is not a threat.

"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine," Ahmadinejad said in a speech.

"By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future," he said. He did not elaborate.

[Figleaf]

According to this news source, he said Israel: Also so it on the ticker tape on CNN.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/i...Type=RSS&rpc=22

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's president said on Sunday the Lebanese and the Palestinians had pressed a "countdown button" to bring an end to Israel.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who triggered outrage in the West two years ago when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map", has often referred to the destruction of the Jewish state but says Iran is not a threat.

"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine," Ahmadinejad said in a speech.

"By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future," he said. He did not elaborate.

Well, see, that's just the reason I had to ask. This report restates the false reports of two years ago saying that he said Israel should be wiped off the map. Thing is, HE DIDN'T SAY THAT. (He said it 'should vanish from the pages of history' or something like that.)

And then, when it actually quotes his latest statement, in fact, HE DOES NOT appear to say that the destruction of Isreal is coming, he says the regime. [so, Scribby, you were wrong on that, too.]

The Israel apologists are continually lying about what Ahmedjihad says.

[jbg]

I would say its a moot point as far as that guy is concerned.

Anyhow, five million democratically minded Jews, with no natural resources, pose a threat to six hundred million oil rich and military-minded Arabs? But hey, intelligent people have been fooled by even greater deceptions. George Bernard Shaw called Hitler a great man.

One thing that Muslims have had in common since back in the day was an aversion to work, and a love of extraction of moneys from productive parts of the world.

Right now, I am reading McCullough's excellent biography of John Adams, the US's second President. The portion of the book I excerpted occurred in 1785, long before George W. Bush, the State of Israel, exiled Palestinians or any of the current du jure outrages of the day.

From a parsing of this book, and websites (link) describing the events, we can see that even then, the militant Muslims were engaged in threatending and conducting savagery for their own game, using religion as the justification or motive. Fast forward to the 1973-4 Oil Embargo, the attack on the USS Cole, and September 11.

The faces change. The course of history, and the conduct of people, does not.

From MuCullough’s John Adams:

On a chill evening in Fegruary came what Adams took to be an opening. At the end of a round of ambassadorial "visits", he stopped to pay his respects to a new member of the diplomatic corps in London, His Excellency Abdrahaman, envoy of the hSultan of Tripoli

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The Conversation turned to business. America was a great nation, declared His Excellency (Abdrahaman), but unfortunately a state of war existed between America and Tripoli. Adams questioned how that could be, given that there had been no injury, insult, or provocation on either side. The Barbary States were soverigns of the Mediterranean all the same, he was told, and without a treaty of peace there could be no peace between Tripoli and Ammerica. His Excellency was prepared to arrange such a treaty.

…

“Time was critical, Adams was informed. The sooner peace was made between America and the Barbary States the better. Were a treaty delayed, it would be more difficult to make. A war between Christian and Christian was mild, a war between Muslim and Christian would be horrible.

…

At the meeting with Ambassador Abdrahaman, Adams and Jefferson were told that peace with Tripoli would cost 30,000 guineas for his employers, as His Excellency put it, plus 3,000 pounds sterling for himself. Payments were to be in cash on delivery of the treaty signed by his sovereign. The two Americans portested that the figure was too high. His Excellency assured them it was his lowest price and allowed that peace with all Barbary States might cost from 200,000 to 300,000 guineas.

[M.Dancer]

I think we should argue over which euphemism he used to describe the annihilation of Israel.....

wiped of the map or erased from history.....

[buffycat]

I think we should argue over which euphemism he used to describe the annihilation of Israel.....

wiped of the map or erased from history.....

Neither - since he hasn't called for the annihalation of Israel.

This whole 'wiped off the map' thing is as bad as the 'push into the sea' thing.

If anyone is being wiped off the map it's the Palestinians - whose villages have been and are continued to be, wiped litterally off the map.

""Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."

-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99."

[M.Dancer]

Lets argue over which euphemism is the politically correct one for the next great holocaust

1) Wiped of the map

2) Eraswed from history

3) Pushed into the sea

[buffycat]

Holocaust of who?

The Palestinians? The Iraqis? The soon to come Holocaust of the Persians?

[Argus]

Holocaust of who?

The Palestinians? The Iraqis? The soon to come Holocaust of the Persians?

Oh those poor little brown people! You ought to find some and hug them, Buffy! To show how liberal you are!

[Argus]

Holocaust of who?

The Palestinians? The Iraqis? The soon to come Holocaust of the Persians?

Oh those poor little brown people! You ought to find some and hug them, Buffy! To show how liberal you are!

Where can such a creature be found?

[Rue]

"Whatever Ahmadinejad's agenda, he is making a strike on his country more likely."

That Sharkdue is precisely the point. Can anyone listening to such comments let a guy like this get his hands on a nuclear weapon?

These comments are becoming more and more continuous and inflammatory.

I am waiting for Kuzzad to respond with his theory that Ahmadinejad is part of an Israeli Zionist false flag operation and was planted by Mossad.

[White Doors]

According to this news source, he said Israel: Also so it on the ticker tape on CNN.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/i...Type=RSS&rpc=22

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's president said on Sunday the Lebanese and the Palestinians had pressed a "countdown button" to bring an end to Israel.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who triggered outrage in the West two years ago when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map", has often referred to the destruction of the Jewish state but says Iran is not a threat.

"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine," Ahmadinejad said in a speech.

"By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future," he said. He did not elaborate.

Well, see, that's just the reason I had to ask. This report restates the false reports of two years ago saying that he said Israel should be wiped off the map. Thing is, HE DIDN'T SAY THAT. (He said it 'should vanish from the pages of history' or something like that.)

And then, when it actually quotes his latest statement, in fact, HE DOES NOT appear to say that the destruction of Isreal is coming, he says the regime. [so, Scribby, you were wrong on that, too.]

The Israel apologists are continually lying about what Ahmedjihad says.

Are you being SERIOUS??? You think he's making it up? You think that this nutjob says this and you STILL insist on blaming this on the 'Israel apologists'?

Do you not see your blatent anti-semitism now? Do you believe the zionists control the media?

That is an honest post form you. Finally revealing your blantent anti-semtism for all to see.

Unbelieveable moral blindness. On purpose mind you. Sad to see what ideaological blinders can do to a person who otherwise seems quite smart.

sad.

[Figleaf]

According to this news source, he said Israel: Also so it on the ticker tape on CNN.

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/i...Type=RSS&rpc=22

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's president said on Sunday the Lebanese and the Palestinians had pressed a "countdown button" to bring an end to Israel.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who triggered outrage in the West two years ago when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map", has often referred to the destruction of the Jewish state but says Iran is not a threat.

"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine," Ahmadinejad said in a speech.

"By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future," he said. He did not elaborate.

Well, see, that's just the reason I had to ask. This report restates the false reports of two years ago saying that he said Israel should be wiped off the map. Thing is, HE DIDN'T SAY THAT. (He said it 'should vanish from the pages of history' or something like that.)

And then, when it actually quotes his latest statement, in fact, HE DOES NOT appear to say that the destruction of Isreal is coming, he says the regime. [so, Scribby, you were wrong on that, too.]

The Israel apologists are continually lying about what Ahmedjihad says.

Are you being SERIOUS???

I meant what I said, nothing else though.

You think he's making it up?

A while back the media broadcast made up quotes that Adminjihad never said.

The story reported above attributes a meaning to Amendjihad that isn't matched by the passage actually quoted.

I conclude that you've got to take what the western media reports about Ahemjihad with a grain of salt.

You think that this nutjob says this and you STILL insist on blaming this on the 'Israel apologists'?

I 'blame' Israel apologists for contributing to the level of confusion, misinformation, and wrongheaded that continues to prevail around Middle East issues.

Do you not see your blatent anti-semitism now?

Absolutely not. I am not anti-semitic and it's a disgusting thing for you to suggest.

Do you believe the zionists control the media?

No.

[jbg]

Well, see, that's just the reason I had to ask. This report restates the false reports of two years ago saying that he said Israel should be wiped off the map. Thing is, HE DIDN'T SAY THAT. (He said it 'should vanish from the pages of history' or something like that.) And then, when it actually quotes his latest statement, in fact, HE DOES NOT appear to say that the destruction of Isreal is coming, he says the regime. [so, Scribby, you were wrong on that, too.]

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A while back the media broadcast made up quotes that Adminjihad never said.

The story reported above attributes a meaning to Amendjihad that isn't matched by the passage actually quoted.

I conclude that you've got to take what the western media reports about Ahemjihad with a grain of salt.

Given the relatively favorable press his predescessor got, why would the Western media be looking to tar and feather him? If anything, Western media sees Muslim leaders through rose-colored (not coloured) glasses.

Absolutely not. I am not anti-semitic and it's a disgusting thing for you to suggest.

Relax. You're not anti-Semitic, since you love Arabs. You're simply a Jew-hater.

[scribblet]

Holocaust of who?

The Palestinians? The Iraqis? The soon to come Holocaust of the Persians?

Pretty disingenuous - you know the holocaust don't you, the one in which that 6 million or so Jewish people were exterminated - or that didn't happen?

[buffycat]

Holocaust of who?

The Palestinians? The Iraqis? The soon to come Holocaust of the Persians?

Pretty disingenuous - you know the holocaust don't you, the one in which that 6 million or so Jewish people were exterminated - or that didn't happen?

Why do you and others insist on these sorts of BS posts?

It's an established fact that Jews were targeted during WW2 - along with many others too. So what is your point?

What about the CURRENT genocides and mass murders occuring?

What about all others in the past - Armenians, Ukranians, Ruwanda - heck the South Florida Indians are extinct!

I think that focusing in on one genocidal event as somehow 'worse' or 'special' is just the most hypocritical thing to do. To use such an event in order to justify the same sorts of actions makes it even worse. To use such an event to extort 'sympathy' and 'monies' (which is a whole other canard) is beyond reprehensible.

But you go on and continue, far be it from me to tell you stop being so blind.

Only Jewish suffering counts in your books eh Scribbles?

[scribblet]

Only Jewish suffering counts in your books eh Scribbles?

They are all tragic, but when speaking of The Holocaust it is accepted that we are talking about the Jewish Holocaust - so don't try to lessen it - eh B_cat

[M.Dancer]

In the context of one nation that openly questions the holocaust and has called for the destruction, anniliation and who yesterday said: ""God willing, in the near future we will witness the destruction of the corrupt occupier regime," any talk about about unrelated genocides are purely to obfuscate the issue at hand.

[M.Dancer]

Oh and for the record, that quote comes from the official Iranian News Agency.....

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8602260359

[White Doors]

So what about it figleaf?

Iran: Israel's Demise Imminent

TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Sunday said that the demise of the Zionist regime (of Israel) is imminent.

Iran also said Sunday it would work to settle disputes over its nuclear program if its case went back to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

Ahmadinejad said last summer's war between Israel and Hezbollah showed for the first time that the "hegemony of the occupier regime (Israel) had collapsed, and the Lebanese nation pushed the button to begin counting the days until the destruction of the Zionist regime."

"God willing, in the near future we will witness the destruction of the corrupt occupier regime," Ahmadinejad was quoted by IRNA as saying during a speech to foreign guests mostly from African, Arab and neighboring countries who attended ceremonies marking the 18th anniversary of the departure of the Late Founder and Father of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Imam Khomeini.

Would you like to make an excuse for him now or would yo like to condemn him like any sane person should?

We are waiting.

[jbg]

What about the CURRENT genocides and mass murders occuring?

Conducted by Israel? Or do you mean the ones conducted by the Janjaweed with the assistance of Sudan?