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[jdobbin]

In fact, neither CPC nor LPC are targeting each other's base for support, rather, the swing voters. .

It is the swing voters that will likely sway the election. So many people have changed the way they think in the last months that is has seen Ontario swing back and forth between the Liberals and Tories several times.

As Lorne Gunter points out in his column today though, the Tories have gone down in support with their base because they believe Harper is too linked to Liberal policies. You can win win elections unless you maintain your base and build on it.

I know there are some big supporters of Gunter on these boards so I wonder what they think of his observations.

[Michael Bluth]

If I say "nine out of ten" instead of "every" would you agree with me?

You'll find racists at both extremes. It wasn't so long ago we saw the labour movement condemning Chinese and other immigrants for stealing all the white man's jobs.

What about the left's incredibly biased support for Palestine?

[runningdog]

If I say "nine out of ten" instead of "every" would you agree with me?

You'll find racists at both extremes. It wasn't so long ago we saw the labour movement condemning Chinese and other immigrants for stealing all the white man's jobs.

What about the left's incredibly biased support for Palestine?

not taking sides here, but if you say the left has a bias in favour of the Palestinians, would you admit that the right has the same towards Isreal? (Way off topic here)

[geoffrey]

What about the left's incredibly biased support for Palestine?

Not a left-right issue. Tony Blair is an Israel supporter and he's strongly on the political left, for example.

[Who's Doing What?]

What about the left's incredibly biased support for Palestine?

Not a left-right issue. Tony Blair is an Israel supporter and he's strongly on the political left, for example.

Shhhh... Common sense non-partisanship doesn't belong on these forums.

[Argus]

As for the second part- don't worry, though some of the other adjectives I used may be applied to you, racist wasn't one of them. I'm aware that you're not a racist.

Not every conservative is a racist, but every racist is a conservative.

For that, you'll never get me on your team. I would never, could never, take part in a political party who is supported by every bigot in the country.

As long as you won't take part there'll be at least one bigot left outside then, eh?

[Argus]

If I say "nine out of ten" instead of "every" would you agree with me?

You'll find racists at both extremes. It wasn't so long ago we saw the labour movement condemning Chinese and other immigrants for stealing all the white man's jobs.

What about the left's incredibly biased support for Palestine?

The bigotry of the left is deeper and far more widespread than the bigotry you find on the right. It's a kind of all-encompassing feeling of superiority towards non-whites which leads to paternalistic head-pat type treatment of anyone who isn't white, and excuse-making on their part for any and all wrongs they do. At heart, most on the Left can't bring themselves to hold non-whites to the same standards as whites because they don't think non-whites are capable of meeting those standards. Their support for the Arabs against the Jews is a reflexive desire to protect brown people, "Oh you poor wittle things!" against those evil, militaristic White guys. Yes, I know that ethnically there's not much difference between Israelis and Arabs but most liberals aren't big thinkers.

Ironically, if you try to hold non-Whites up to the same standards as you do Whites the liberals will as like as not call you a racist.

[Argus]

What about the left's incredibly biased support for Palestine?

Not a left-right issue. Tony Blair is an Israel supporter and he's strongly on the political left, for example.

There will always be individuals in any political spectrum who differ. But take in totality, the Left despises Israel, especially in the UK. We saw just last week a new measure passed by the British Teachers Federation calling for a ban on all academic relationships with Israelis.

[Who's Doing What?]

The bigotry of the left is deeper and far more widespread than the bigotry you find on the right. It's a kind of all-encompassing feeling of superiority towards non-whites which leads to paternalistic head-pat type treatment of anyone who isn't white, and excuse-making on their part for any and all wrongs they do. At heart, most on the Left can't bring themselves to hold non-whites to the same standards as whites because they don't think non-whites are capable of meeting those standards. Their support for the Arabs against the Jews is a reflexive desire to protect brown people, "Oh you poor wittle things!" against those evil, militaristic White guys. Yes, I know that ethnically there's not much difference between Israelis and Arabs but most liberals aren't big thinkers.

Ironically, if you try to hold non-Whites up to the same standards as you do Whites the liberals will as like as not call you a racist.

WOW!!!!

Okay.

[mikedavid00]

http://hi.im.a.liberal.ca/video.aspx?ad=carbonbudget

My favourite was the cross-dressing one.

Lol..

here we have the white, private school yuppies copying Mac commercials.

Little do those spoiled brats know that the main Liberal support base are people who's native tonque is not English or who are considered a 'visible minority' by our gov't.

(I open a challenge to anyone who can prove my above statement wrong)

The Liberal party is the French/Immigrant/Visible minority party of Canada. They should change their name and these punks should go home.

[mikedavid00]

You weren't ever gonna vote liberal anyway.

I actually really wanted to,

Now the truth comes out.

So you want to vote in a Quebec Global warming party wanting to increase immigration to 500,000 poeple a year.

Good one Geoff.

[madmax]

What about the left's incredibly biased support for Palestine?

Not a left-right issue. Tony Blair is an Israel supporter and he's strongly on the political left, for example.

Shhhh... Common sense non-partisanship doesn't belong on these forums.

Yeah, he's gonna have to stop that if he is going to post here.

[madmax]

Their support for the Arabs against the Jews is a reflexive desire to protect brown people,

That's quiet a statement. It doesn't make any sense to me.

[BC_chick]

Their support for the Arabs against the Jews is a reflexive desire to protect brown people,

That's quiet a statement. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Judging by his usage thereof, I think Argus just likes to say "brown people" as often as possible. It's the closest he can get to making a derogatory comment without technically making one....

[BC_chick]

Little do those spoiled brats know that the main Liberal support base are people who's native tonque is not English or who are considered a 'visible minority' by our gov't.

(I open a challenge to anyone who can prove my above statement wrong)

Um, isn't the onus of proof on the person MAKING a claim?

[madmax]

You weren't ever gonna vote liberal anyway.

I actually really wanted to,

Now the truth comes out.

So you want to vote in a Quebec Global warming party wanting to increase immigration to 500,000 poeple a year.

Good one Geoff.

No, I think he wanted to vote for a Pro Business, fiscally conservative party. But he can't. The party you describe above, is why he won't be voting Liberal.

[madmax]

Their support for the Arabs against the Jews is a reflexive desire to protect brown people,

That's quiet a statement. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Judging by his usage thereof, I think Argus just likes to say "brown people" as often as possible. It's the closest he can get to making a derogatory comment without technically making one....

Normally I can follow Argus, not necessarily agree with him. I think we know that many of the Jews living in Israel have skin similar to the Arabs. I just think the statement is not only over the top, but confusing, and doesn't do anyone any good. It isn't even good Liberal Bashing material.

[BC_chick]

I think we know that many of the Jews living in Israel have skin similar to the Arabs.

I've actually thought the exact same thing myself. I guess we could sum it up as either ignorance of other cultures, or perhaps an an indication of his true underlying grievances about Middle-East politics....

[Argus]

I think we know that many of the Jews living in Israel have skin similar to the Arabs.

I've actually thought the exact same thing myself. I guess we could sum it up as either ignorance of other cultures, or perhaps an an indication of his true underlying grievances about Middle-East politics....

Or a commentary on the almost unequaled ignorance of people of your political persuasion.

[Argus]

Their support for the Arabs against the Jews is a reflexive desire to protect brown people,

That's quiet a statement. It doesn't make any sense to me.

It should, if you read my earlier post. Much of the anti-Israeli bigotry coming from people like BC-Chick is based on an unthinking, knee-jerk instinct to take the side of the "brown people" ie, any kind of "visible minority" against anyone who is perceived as "white". It really doesn't matter what the actual skin colours are as people like this don't put much real thought into their beliefs. Their political opinions and ideology are almost invariably based on emotion.

[Argus]

Their support for the Arabs against the Jews is a reflexive desire to protect brown people,

That's quiet a statement. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Judging by his usage thereof, I think Argus just likes to say "brown people" as often as possible. It's the closest he can get to making a derogatory comment without technically making one....

I guess no form of subtlety functions with people who drool as they write.

The term "brown people" is indeed meant in a derogatory fashion, as a commentary on the mindlessness of bigoted, paternalistic people on the Left.

[kimmy]

Not every conservative is a racist, but every racist is a conservative.

For that, you'll never get me on your team. I would never, could never, take part in a political party who is supported by every bigot in the country.

I'm offended by the comment, and I'm surprised at your short memory.

During the last election,

-Michael Klander, a high-ranking Liberal organizer, resigned after comparing Olivia Chow to a chow-chow.

-a Liberal candidate in Montreal got in hot water for making racist remarks about a black BQ opponent.

More recently,

-Thomas Hubert, president of the Young Liberals of BC, resigns after stating that Hezbollah will be remembered as heroes for fighting against Israel, "the most vile nation on earth", and that the party would be better off without "violent Zionists" like Irwin Cotler's wife.

-the Israel conflict during the Liberal leadership campaign launched a whole flurry of controversy that led to a lot of foot-in-mouth and infighting that at times veered near antisemitism.

-Andre Boisclair of the Parti Quebecois embroiled himself in controversy when he expressed his dismay at how many slanty-eyed ("yeaux brides"?) students he sees on university campuses. Quebec separatists have blamed the ethnics and Jews for foiling their ambitions for a long time.

These weren't just people off the street, these were candidates, officials, leaders. If these high ranking people held these views, is it unreasonable to assume that others within the party might also?

The whole separatist movement seems somewhat founded on an ethnic premise, that the "pur laine" are the rightful owners and that everybody else should step off. I believe Jacques Parizeau landed himself in hot water for voicing this sentiment a little too explicitly after the 1995 referendum.

It's easy to find anti-Jewish hate-speech from Canadian imams, not generally a Tory-supporting group. If you look at anti-gay bigotry, I think you'll find that traditional Sikhs and Muslims are as anti-gay as any Christians; these again are part of the Liberals' core support, aren't they?

One might consider Hedy Fry's false claim of cross burnings in Prince George. One might consider Liberal and BQ efforts to campaign against Harper on the grounds that he's a Calgaryian. One might consider people who portray western Canadians as ignorant hicks to be bigots.

Is it bigotry when people argue that Afghanis can't accept more civilized rules of society because they're Afghani?

So what exactly is a bigot? Is it anybody who makes unflattering and uninformed generalizations about groups of people? Or it is it only bigotry when it's white Christian people saying unflattering things about people who aren't white Christians?

-k

[BC_chick]

Don't confuse prejudism with bigotry. We all have prejudices.

But within a society, those who have a history of imposing harm on others as a result of their prejudices, those with with the power to be able to continue to impose harm on to others as a result of the their prejudices, they are the bigots.

[ScottSA]

Don't confuse prejudism with bigotry. We all have prejudices.

But within a society, those who have a history of imposing harm on others as a result of their prejudices, those with with the power to be able to continue to impose harm on to others as a result of the their prejudices, they are the bigots.

Well, let's look at this distinction then. Here's the most comprehensive definition of bigotry I can find...at least that falls outside tautological pap like "Bigotry is the thoughts of a bigot."

stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

You made the statement: I would never, could never, take part in a political party who is supported by every bigot in the country.

Notice a match there? I do. This is the eternal pitfall of the intolerant left...it's forever caught in a fatal miasma of contradiction. So apparently bigotry is also a failing we all (read: 'BC Chick') suffer from as well. But you defend that by dragging the red herring of 'prejudice' across the trail, so let's take a look at what that means too:

an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

There is no sense in these definitions that prejudice is limited to thought and that bigotry is thought coupled with power and or action, as you suggest, so we can discard your definition out of hand, I think. Even if we didn't reject it, one might profitably argue that leaders of the Seperatist movement, Liberal leaders, and religious leaders do in fact have the power to "impose harm on to others," so even by your own fabricated distinction, you're wrong.

Do you really prefer to be known as someone who forms opinions without knowledge, thought, or reason, than to be known as someone who dislikes opposing ideas? I doubt it, so that leads me to the conclusion that you are caught in Kimmy's headlights and trying to parse your way out of it.

[White Doors]

Don't confuse prejudism with bigotry. We all have prejudices.

But within a society, those who have a history of imposing harm on others as a result of their prejudices, those with with the power to be able to continue to impose harm on to others as a result of the their prejudices, they are the bigots.

What a load of BS. you get called out quite rightly by Kim and this is your retort?

Don't confuse being politically correct with not being racist.

that's your problem.