jdobbin Posted May 29, 2007 Report Posted May 29, 2007 http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070529/national/tory_ads The Conservative party has launched its fourth campaign of negative advertisements attacking Liberal Leader Stephane Dion.The latest salvo comes in the form of a television ad, two radio ads, and a new website calling Dion a weak leader who is incapable of mustering caucus support on the key issue of term limits for senators. A bill aiming to set senators' terms to eight years has languished in the upper house for a year. It looks like the Tories have their new talking points. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 29, 2007 Report Posted May 29, 2007 You posted this within 43 minutes of the link going up on Yahoo. Are you being paid to monitor Web sites for any news about the Conservatives and post it with the most negative headline possible on MLW? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
sharkman Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 Sweet, they should make the attack ads in a collectible form, I'd love to keep them on my hard drive and watch them again and again. Anybody want to trade a Dion Weak Leader for two Mr. Dithers? Quote
jdobbin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Posted May 30, 2007 Sweet, they should make the attack ads in a collectible form, I'd love to keep them on my hard drive and watch them again and again. Anybody want to trade a Dion Weak Leader for two Mr. Dithers? I'm waiting to see the Harper giving a Senators jumper to Karzai commercial to air in Toronto. Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 Saw them. My only beef is, as a liberal voter, they could of -should of played them before the leadership convention............... If only liberals were more like the conservatives and we could be rid of this dion albatross Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jdobbin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Posted May 30, 2007 Saw them. My only beef is, as a liberal voter, they could of -should of played them before the leadership convention...............If only liberals were more like the conservatives and we could be rid of this dion albatross There isn't a person in the country who could have taken the job that wouldn't have had a rough time of it. Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 Saw them. My only beef is, as a liberal voter, they could of -should of played them before the leadership convention............... If only liberals were more like the conservatives and we could be rid of this dion albatross There isn't a person in the country who could have taken the job that wouldn't have had a rough time of it. But there might have been a person who could rough it a bit better (a lot better, actually) Rae would have been the obvious choice. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jdobbin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Posted May 30, 2007 But there might have been a person who could rough it a bit better (a lot better, actually)Rae would have been the obvious choice. You might seem to think so but Rae could have easily been in a much worse position in Ontario and possibly the west. He would also have had the misfortune of not having a seat in the House. Even a resignation by a Liberal member might not have convinced the Feds to call a bye-election before a Federal election. Rae might have been trounced in a spring election. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 You might seem to think so but Rae could have easily been in a much worse position in Ontario and possibly the west. He would also have had the misfortune of not having a seat in the House. Even a resignation by a Liberal member might not have convinced the Feds to call a bye-election before a Federal election.Rae might have been trounced in a spring election. Rae in a worse position than Dion out West? Can a region physically take seats away from a party won in other parts of the country? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
M.Dancer Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 But there might have been a person who could rough it a bit better (a lot better, actually) Rae would have been the obvious choice. You might seem to think so but Rae could have easily been in a much worse position in Ontario and possibly the west. You can't be serious. Rae be worse off in the west that Dion? Of course Rae would be trounced.....so would every liberal...till they have spent their time in coventry. It's just a question of how long and how bad. With Dion it will be very long and terrible. Harper will get a slim majority next time round, bank on it. What happens after that election depends on whether we still have Hero as the liberal leader..... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Michael Bluth Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 You can't be serious. Rae be worse off in the west that Dion? Of course Rae would be trounced.....so would every liberal...till they have spent their time in coventry. It's just a question of how long and how bad. With Dion it will be very long and terrible. Harper will get a slim majority next time round, bank on it. What happens after that election depends on whether we still have Hero as the liberal leader..... I can't see Dion getting dumped as leader before the next election. Dion gets at least one kick at the can. If we don't go to the polls by the Fall it looks like October 2009 it will be. My vibe is that the new fixed election dates will mean that any Government that has passed the two year point will get to finish the term. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Posted May 30, 2007 You can't be serious. Rae be worse off in the west that Dion? Of course Rae would be trounced.....so would every liberal...till they have spent their time in coventry. It's just a question of how long and how bad. With Dion it will be very long and terrible. Harper will get a slim majority next time round, bank on it. What happens after that election depends on whether we still have Hero as the liberal leader..... I still don't see them close to a majority. I see a repeat of a minority. Just don't know who for yet. I think if Rae couldn't get into the House of Commons for some time after winning that he would indeed have done worse in the west. No exposure the Liberals would have had to keep Graham on the front bench even longer. As for Ontario, the Tories would have hammered Rae on that and you would have probably been saying now that they should have chosen Dion. Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 I still don't them close to a majority. I see a repeat of a minority. Just don't know who for yet. With the present polls it looks like a minority. Once Dion starts campaigning it will be a majority. Rae would have been handed a safe seat in Toronto. If he still wants the job he should ask for it. Bennet isn't doing anything particularly useful with hers...... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Michael Bluth Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 With the present polls it looks like a minority. Once Dion starts campaigning it will be a majority. Rae would have been handed a safe seat in Toronto. If he still wants the job he should ask for it. Bennet isn't doing anything particularly useful with hers...... I think a Conservative majority with Dion campaigning is a good start. His tin ear to word on the street will be his downfal. There are a number of seats that Rae could slide into comfortably in the GTA. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Posted May 30, 2007 With the present polls it looks like a minority. Once Dion starts campaigning it will be a majority. Rae would have been handed a safe seat in Toronto. If he still wants the job he should ask for it. Bennet isn't doing anything particularly useful with hers...... I'll let Rae know he has your vote. I still don't believe that Harper has it yet to win and if he thought so himself, he would have called an election this spring. I think Afghanistan is going to continue to make Canadians hesitate in giving Harper a majority. Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 With the present polls it looks like a minority. Once Dion starts campaigning it will be a majority. Rae would have been handed a safe seat in Toronto. If he still wants the job he should ask for it. Bennet isn't doing anything particularly useful with hers...... I'll let Rae know he has your vote. I still don't believe that Harper has it yet to win and if he thought so himself, he would have called an election this spring. I think Afghanistan is going to continue to make Canadians hesitate in giving Harper a majority. I don't think that afghanistan is a deciding issue. I belive Canadian would rather be proud of our forces than ashamed and the only wedge the opposition has is to try amnd make us ashamed. I see that backfiring big time. Hillier was at the CP luch this week, he said they are currentlt getting more people trying to enlist than they can handle.....that's a good indication that the feelings against the mission don;t run deep. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jdobbin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Posted May 30, 2007 I don't think that afghanistan is a deciding issue. I belive Canadian would rather be proud of our forces than ashamed and the only wedge the opposition has is to try amnd make us ashamed. I see that backfiring big time.Hillier was at the CP luch this week, he said they are currentlt getting more people trying to enlist than they can handle.....that's a good indication that the feelings against the mission don;t run deep. I think you are mistaking pride in the soldiers with pride in the mission. There is not a lot of faith in the mission. Afghanistan is an issue. It runs deep. It is enough to deny a majority. Quote
sharkman Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 It may or may not be an issue (how long have we been there?) , but when the election gets called and the Tories roll out their finely tuned attack ads, sound bites will rule the day, just like the famous "beer and popcorn" soundbite. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 It may or may not be an issue (how long have we been there?) , but when the election gets called and the Tories roll out their finely tuned attack ads, sound bites will rule the day, just like the famous "beer and popcorn" soundbite. Are the Liberals going to roll the dice again with Scott "beer and popcorn" Reid? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
M.Dancer Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 It may or may not be an issue (how long have we been there?) , but when the election gets called and the Tories roll out their finely tuned attack ads, sound bites will rule the day, just like the famous "beer and popcorn" soundbite. Well, beer and popcorn is how we spend our tory daycare stipend..(actually, veal shank and chianti)...with one under 4 and not in daycare....why not? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jdobbin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Posted May 30, 2007 It may or may not be an issue (how long have we been there?) , but when the election gets called and the Tories roll out their finely tuned attack ads, sound bites will rule the day, just like the famous "beer and popcorn" soundbite. Just like the finely tuned ads that you said would carry the day in the mid-term elections in the U.S.? Quote
Guest coot Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 I think you are mistaking pride in the soldiers with pride in the mission. There is not a lot of faith in the mission. There is no pride, shame, faith or even interest in the mission in Afghanistan. The war would not be a deciding factor in an election because nobody thinks about it. An election now would likely yield exactly the same result as the last one because no one has thought enough about politics in the meantime to be persuaded to change their vote. The Canadian public is sick to death of elections, except for perhaps the upcoming Canadian Idol plebiscite. Quote
M.Dancer Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 I don't think that afghanistan is a deciding issue. I belive Canadian would rather be proud of our forces than ashamed and the only wedge the opposition has is to try amnd make us ashamed. I see that backfiring big time. Hillier was at the CP luch this week, he said they are currentlt getting more people trying to enlist than they can handle.....that's a good indication that the feelings against the mission don;t run deep. I think you are mistaking pride in the soldiers with pride in the mission. There is not a lot of faith in the mission. Afghanistan is an issue. It runs deep. It is enough to deny a majority. You can' t separate the soldier from the mission...not with the volunteer rates like they are....if they try they will be hung out to dry....I will wager only Taliban jacks fart catchers are advising him on that one... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jdobbin Posted May 30, 2007 Author Report Posted May 30, 2007 You can' t separate the soldier from the mission...not with the volunteer rates like they are....if they try they will be hung out to dry....I will wager only Taliban jacks fart catchers are advising him on that one... They won't be hung out to dry. They just won't get stuck with a mission that could be impossible to win like they might with the Tories. Quote
BC_chick Posted May 30, 2007 Report Posted May 30, 2007 http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/070529/national/tory_adsIt looks like the Tories have their new talking points. A couple of bad weeks followed by a lawsuit - what to do, what to do? Oh yeah, the obvious - hop on a plane for a non-photo op and start kicking the opposition before anyone gets any funny ideas. Truly sad when a government can't speak on its own merit and resorts simply to belittling the opposition to make themselves seem good. Even with all the "scary scary scary" campaign allegations against the Liberals in 06 they still did spend a lot of time on their own achievements, job creations, reducing debts, etc etc. When will we see some of the same in Harper? The last time I got a flyer in the mail with his achievements was months before the convention.... since then I've seen nothing but Dion-bashing accounting for Harper "achievements.' Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
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