Iran Beats Women Over Dress Code

[JerrySeinfeld]

Um - I wouldn't exactly call a left winger who justifies the beating of women in the interests of scoring points against GW Bush "compassionate".

I see, so in your reality, questioning your motive in singling out one nation is the equivalent of excusing or justifying the actions of that nation - is that what you're saying? LOL

You really need to ask questions if you're having difficulty comprehending something instead of putting words in my mouth.

Putting words in yuor mouth? That's rich considering what YOUR saying...and I quote:

"so in your reality, questioning your motive in singling out one nation is the equivalent of excusing or justifying the actions of that nation"

I think you need to go back, read the opening post of this thread and discuss the issue at hand - women being abused in Iran - before you start setting up straw men for you to heroically knock back down.

AGAIN you have tried to steer the debate to one about GW BUSH instead of sticking to the topic.

[BC_chick]

AGAIN you have tried to steer the debate to one about GW BUSH instead of sticking to the topic.

AGAIN, you have refused to answer why you are singling out one nation amongst the hundreds who practise gross mistreatment of women, preferring instead to pretend like I'm condoning these actions in my questioning of your motive.

Let me ask you point blank - why are you singling out Iran on this when so many other countries have similar and even worse practises regarding women?

[M.Dancer]

Ergo, never mention any nation that abuses women......

[JerrySeinfeld]

AGAIN you have tried to steer the debate to one about GW BUSH instead of sticking to the topic.

AGAIN, you have refused to answer why you are singling out one nation amongst the hundreds who practise gross mistreatment of women, preferring instead to pretend like I'm condoning these actions in my questioning of your motive.

Let me ask you point blank - why are you singling out Iran on this when so many other countries have similar and even worse practises regarding women?

I didn't start this patricular thread about Iran - I'm a participant who happens to disagree with the actions described on the opening link.

If you want to talk about things like this in other countries you can start your own thread.

I'm not sure your aware of the current political climate in Iran, but these images and news about the opression of women in Iran is actually quite topical and timely due to the recent clamp down on women's rights under a new, much more fundamentalist government.

In another context (since you insist on bastardizing this thread about women's rights), if someone in the free world pointed to this kind of sexism and oppression as just one more reason why the existing fundamentalist government is dangerous, would they be incorrect? The answer is clearly no.

As a concerned woman, you should take a quick breeze through this

[BC_chick]

Just as I thought, no answer to a point-blank question, just more dancing around the question and insinuating that I'm saying something I'm not.

Buh-Bye.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Just as I thought, no answer to a point-blank question, just more dancing around the question and insinuating that I'm saying something I'm not.

Buh-Bye.

Are you sure you're name isn't Rosie?

[scribblet]

Just as I thought, no answer to a point-blank question, just more dancing around the question and insinuating that I'm saying something I'm not.

Buh-Bye.

I would say that you (and others) are the ones dancing away from the issue of human rights. As I said in the other thread, it would be a great opportunity for people and the women's rights activists in the West to show the Iranian people where they stand on fundamental issues of freedom and human rights. Too bad you you don't agree with that concept. Your comments are a classic example of deflection of the debate from the salient issue.

[BC_chick]

I would say that you (and others) are the ones dancing away from the issue of human rights. As I said in the other thread, it would be a great opportunity for people and the women's rights activists in the West to show the Iranian people where they stand on fundamental issues of freedom and human rights. Too bad you you don't agree with that concept. Your comments are a classic example of deflection of the debate from the salient issue.

You're assuming that my questioning of your motive in singling out one country means I condone Iranian actions. It doesn't, far from it. I've probably physically done more to voice my concern of human rights for MIDDLE-EASTERN women (not just Iran), than you - unless of course you think cherry-picking unfriendly nations to compalin about on the internet is doing something about women's rights. It's not, you are doing nothing constructive. Singling one country in order to malign the people of that nation does nothing other than incite hatred toward them.

[scribblet]

I would say that you (and others) are the ones dancing away from the issue of human rights. As I said in the other thread, it would be a great opportunity for people and the women's rights activists in the West to show the Iranian people where they stand on fundamental issues of freedom and human rights. Too bad you you don't agree with that concept. Your comments are a classic example of deflection of the debate from the salient issue.

You're assuming that my questioning of your motive in singling out one country means I condone Iranian actions. It doesn't, far from it. I've probably physically done more to voice my concern of human rights for MIDDLE-EASTERN women altogether, not just Iran, than you - unless of course you think cherry-picking unfriendly nations to compalin about on the internet is doing something about women's rights. It's not, you are doing nothing constructive. Singling one country in order to malign the people of that nation does nothing other than incite hatred toward them.

I didn't cherry pick, that item happened to be on bourque news this week, so quit deflecting from the real issue at hand and casting aspersions onto the original posting. The subject at this point, in this thread is Iranian abuse of women....maybe you'd like to start another thread on the women's rights movement in Saudi Arabia, or inculcation of children in Palestine.

[Guest chilipeppers]

AGAIN you have tried to steer the debate to one about GW BUSH instead of sticking to the topic.

AGAIN, you have refused to answer why you are singling out one nation amongst the hundreds who practise gross mistreatment of women, preferring instead to pretend like I'm condoning these actions in my questioning of your motive.

Let me ask you point blank - why are you singling out Iran on this when so many other countries have similar and even worse practises regarding women?

I didn't start this patricular thread about Iran - I'm a participant who happens to disagree with the actions described on the opening link.

If you want to talk about things like this in other countries you can start your own thread.

I'm not sure your aware of the current political climate in Iran, but these images and news about the opression of women in Iran is actually quite topical and timely due to the recent clamp down on women's rights under a new, much more fundamentalist government.

In another context (since you insist on bastardizing this thread about women's rights), if someone in the free world pointed to this kind of sexism and oppression as just one more reason why the existing fundamentalist government is dangerous, would they be incorrect? The answer is clearly no.

As a concerned woman, you should take a quick breeze through this

Obviously not concerned enough to disagree with barbaric practices which are okay I guess as long as its done in the Middle East.

[scribblet]

From some of these replies I would have to believe that it would be perfectly okay for students in any of our schools to put on a school play in which the students waved around replicas of AK47s, wore bomb belts, ammunition belts and dressed like terrorists or emulated similar figures. Try it and see what happens.

[Argus]

I would say that you (and others) are the ones dancing away from the issue of human rights. As I said in the other thread, it would be a great opportunity for people and the women's rights activists in the West to show the Iranian people where they stand on fundamental issues of freedom and human rights. Too bad you you don't agree with that concept. Your comments are a classic example of deflection of the debate from the salient issue.

You're assuming that my questioning of your motive in singling out one country means I condone Iranian actions. It doesn't, far from it. I've probably physically done more to voice my concern of human rights for MIDDLE-EASTERN women (not just Iran), than you - unless of course you think cherry-picking unfriendly nations to compalin about on the internet is doing something about women's rights.

You mean, kinda the way you and others cherry pick about Israel while ignoring human rights violations in almost all other countries?

[Argus]

AGAIN you have tried to steer the debate to one about GW BUSH instead of sticking to the topic.

AGAIN, you have refused to answer why you are singling out one nation amongst the hundreds who practise gross mistreatment of women, preferring instead to pretend like I'm condoning these actions in my questioning of your motive.

Let me ask you point blank - why are you singling out Iran on this when so many other countries have similar and even worse practises regarding women?

I didn't start this patricular thread about Iran - I'm a participant who happens to disagree with the actions described on the opening link.

If you want to talk about things like this in other countries you can start your own thread.

I'm not sure your aware of the current political climate in Iran, but these images and news about the opression of women in Iran is actually quite topical and timely due to the recent clamp down on women's rights under a new, much more fundamentalist government.

In another context (since you insist on bastardizing this thread about women's rights), if someone in the free world pointed to this kind of sexism and oppression as just one more reason why the existing fundamentalist government is dangerous, would they be incorrect? The answer is clearly no.

As a concerned woman, you should take a quick breeze through this

Obviously not concerned enough to disagree with barbaric practices which are okay I guess as long as its done in the Middle East.

By Brown people. Don't forget that. If it was white people steam would be coming out of her ears.

[noahbody]

One girl who refused to get into the police car was beaten by police, and removed from the area by civilians who were called to the scene.

Should this post not be named, "Woman beaten for resisting arrest"?

[buffycat]

One girl who refused to get into the police car was beaten by police, and removed from the area by civilians who were called to the scene.

Should this post not be named, "Woman beaten for resisting arrest"?

Yes, in fact the Memri link doesn't even use the title that Scriblett wrote:

"Police, Improperly Clad Women Clash In Tehran"

That is the title from Memriblog. Or should I call it 'selective' memri blog?

Anyway - for those here who seem to think anyone is condoning this - please see your reading counsellor or adjust your font size.

No one has condoned this, nor the archaic laws which these police are enforcing.

What has happened is that it has been pointed out that police violence is not confined to Iran. Is beating and tasering a non violent offender acceptable if it's done in the US or Canada? What about the insane drug laws they have in the US - is it okay then?

Or is this just thinly vieled racist attack on Iran - you know since so many of the warmongers these days want to repeat Iraq in her northern neighbour? Would Scriblett have even posted this, say if it occured in Israel? How about the American woman who was beaten very badly on that bus in Jerusalem by orthodox Jews? How's that fit with your freeper view Scriblett?

[M.Dancer]

Or is this just thinly vieled racist attack on Iran - you know since so many of the warmongers these days want to repeat Iraq in her northern neighbour?

No one has been calling for war against Turkey,...even though Turkey is massing troops on the iraqi border and may even cross to fight the terrorists ......

[buffycat]

Or is this just thinly vieled racist attack on Iran - you know since so many of the warmongers these days want to repeat Iraq in her northern neighbour?

No one has been calling for war against Turkey,...even though Turkey is massing troops on the iraqi border and may even cross to fight the terrorists ......

Want a map Dancer?

Iran is north/northeast of Iraq.

Turkey (which has nothing to do with this conversation) is to the north/northwest of Iraq.

And the Turks are a little pissed off with the Kurds... but that is a whole other story - why don't you start a thread on it Dancer?

Edited to add a bracket and ask Dancer is that was the best he could come up with.

[M.Dancer]

Or is this just thinly vieled racist attack on Iran - you know since so many of the warmongers these days want to repeat Iraq in her northern neighbour?

No one has been calling for war against Turkey,...even though Turkey is massing troops on the iraqi border and may even cross to fight the terrorists ......

Want a map Dancer?

Iran is north........

Here's a map

Let me know if you need a compass.......

( I swear, wymyn and directions........)

[buffycat]

No, Dancer I'm quite fine thanks. Standing in Baghdad Iran is certainly north of me! Now if I'm in Mosul, Turkey is north of me:

Hence: North/northeast and North/Northwest!

Now that you've had your fun with diversions here - anything to say about police violence - or is that okay doakey with you?

[scribblet]

http://unclemeat.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/...minists-silent/

Iran Beats Women Over Dress Code - Feminists Silent

I posted two links, one used the title.

As for selective blogs or whatever, of course its selective, you would rather someone posted every article on the net or what? Maybe you would care to prove that the woman or women were not beaten or maybe the point is, you et al don't really care. You really are going to a whole lot of trouble to try and divert and discredit anything that doesn't agree with pro Iranian or terrorist ideology. I really don't get the fuss over posting this news, or maybe I do. It doesn't fit in with the left wing mantra that M.E. good - west is bad.

[guyser]

Was this "police" the Passdar or the regular police?

I suspect the former, otherwise how could the police let her walk away with civilians.

[M.Dancer]

No, Dancer I'm quite fine thanks. Standing in Baghdad Iran is certainly north of me! Now if I'm in Mosul, Turkey is north of me:

Hence: North/northeast and North/Northwest!

Now that you've had your fun with diversions here - anything to say about police violence - or is that okay doakey with you?

No sorry, geography is a pet peeve....if you are in Baghdad the next country directly north is turkey, end of story.....

....usually people who don't know where countries are in relation to each other tend to not really understand much else either.....

Like claims that we have only had 50 years of civil rights or that tasering non violent offenders is normal, common and accepted......

that's tantamount of not knowiung which way is up.......

[scribblet]

This is dated 2005, I suppose a good old fashioned flogging is okay too and at least they'll get a speedy trial, moved right up to the head of the line.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/arti...hp?storyid=3613

Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Sep. 06 – Women who violate Iran’s strict Islamic dress code will be flogged immediately, prosecutor’s offices in provincial centres announced on Tuesday.

In the central Iranian city of Shahin-Shahr, the prosecutor’s office posted huge notices on billboards and shop windows warning women that dress code violators will appear before an Islamic judge immediately after arrest to receive a sentence, usually 100 lashes in public. The prosecutor will be demanding maximum penalties, the notice warned.

“Individuals whose state of attire and make-up is against religious laws in public will be prosecuted without having to first wait in a queue and will be sentenced to flogging and fines”, the statement said.

“Scarves which do not cover the hair and neck”, “tight overcoats or coats that which finish above the knees and whose sleeves cover to a point higher than the wrist”, “tight trousers which do not cover the calf of the leg”, and “women’s make-up” are all forbidden, according to the statement, which added that failure to adhere to the dress code would be dealt with accordingly.

Women whose scarves do not properly cover up their hair will face between 10 days to 10 months in prison, the statement added.

[Guest chilipeppers]

That Hamas video of the kids dressed up as terrorists made it to the news today, just saw it. It was a graduating Kindergarten class chanting "death for the sake of Allah" Cute huh

[jbg]

How about this? Gee, why doesn't everybody everywhere act the way we do, believe in the things we do, and just adopt our system of beliefs and prejudices and go watch Hollywood movies all the time just like we do? O Fudge!

Maybe for Israel certain things that they do are not the way you would do them.