Al Gore

[B. Max]

Agenda of truth.

That is funny B Max. Nobody believes that... well, except for you. But again, dont let facts get in the way of a good story.

I won't let spin get in the way of the truth that exposes the charlatan Al Gore.

[guyser]

I won't let spin get in the way of the truth that exposes the charlatan Al Gore.

You already have Sir, already have.

Actually, by continuing this myth, you put yourself right into the shoes you would rather not fill.

[B. Max]

Does Al Gore who initiated the internet need three, count em three, 30" monitors. I wonder if there's a desk under all those dead trees.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/20...ore_life/20.jpg

[bush_cheney2004]

Does Al Gore who initiated the internet need three, count em three, 30" monitors. I wonder if there's a desk under all those dead trees.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/20...ore_life/20.jpg

Maybe he likes to share his Windows desktop across all three monitors to display the Mann "hockey stick" in dramatic fashion. See.....we're all going to die from global warming!!

[B. Max]

Does Al Gore who initiated the internet need three, count em three, 30" monitors. I wonder if there's a desk under all those dead trees.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/20...ore_life/20.jpg

Maybe he likes to share his Windows desktop across all three monitors to display the Mann "hockey stick" in dramatic fashion. See.....we're all going to die from global warming!!

Maybe it's kinda like having your own personal I-Max.

[Figleaf]

... it is legitimate to say he claimed to have invented the internet.

It is not in the least 'legitimate'.

What it is, is a plain lie.

'Invent' has a meaning that is thorgouhly different from what Gore said.

[B. Max]

... it is legitimate to say he claimed to have invented the internet.

It is not in the least 'legitimate'.

What it is, is a plain lie.

'Invent' has a meaning that is thorgouhly different from what Gore said.

No, invent could equally mean he came up with the idea, built it, or both. One does not have to build something to have invented it. But he said, I took the initiative , which means to start. So what exactly did he do, we know he didn't build it, so he must have meant or wanted us to believe he invented it.

[Figleaf]

... it is legitimate to say he claimed to have invented the internet.

It is not in the least 'legitimate'.

What it is, is a plain lie.

'Invent' has a meaning that is thorgouhly different from what Gore said.

No, invent could equally mean he came up with the idea, built it, or both.

Neither of which he claimed to do.

But he said, I took the initiative , which means to start.

Actually, it could also mean that he picked it up at a key point and ran with what needed to be done.

So what exactly did he do,

If you were to ACTUALLY READ this very thread, you would learn about that.

we know he didn't build it, so he must have meant or wanted us to believe he invented it.

That statement is a non-sequitur. If he wanted to say invented, he could have said invented. He just wanted maximum credit for what he did. Not for something he didn't do.

[B. Max]

No no no, even the Gore apologist in the article said, quote, When I read this in context and as quoted, it certainly seems like a far less absurd statement.

Sure, it's still a politician taking more credit than he deserves,

What did he do, nothing, and for trying to mislead people, others were right to say he took credit for inventing the internet.

[Figleaf]

No no no, even the ... the article said, ...

Sure, it's still a politician taking more credit than he deserves,

He's entitled to his opinion.

What did he do, nothing,...

A number of people who would likely know what's what, are referenced above, who disagree with you.

[gc1765]

What did he do, nothing, and for trying to mislead people, others were right to say he took credit for inventing the internet.

Yep, the best way to counter someone misleading people is by...misleading people

[B. Max]

What did he do, nothing,...

A number of people who would likely know what's what, are referenced above, who disagree with you.

Then are people who disagree with that.

"Gore played no positive role in the decisions that led to the creation of the Internet as it now exists -- that is, in the opening of the Internet to commercial traffic," said Steve Allen, vice president for communications at the conservative Progress and Freedom Foundation.

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/1999/03/18390

[Figleaf]

"Gore played no positive role in the decisions that led to the creation of the Internet as it now exists -- that is, in the opening of the Internet to commercial traffic," said Steve Allen, vice president for communications at the conservative Progress and Freedom Foundation.

[emphases supplied]

Is a conservative hack the best source you can muster against all the knowledgeable people referenced above?

I think that says it all.

[B. Max]

"Gore played no positive role in the decisions that led to the creation of the Internet as it now exists -- that is, in the opening of the Internet to commercial traffic," said Steve Allen, vice president for communications at the conservative Progress and Freedom Foundation.

[emphases supplied]

Is a conservative hack the best source you can muster against all the knowledgeable people referenced above?

I think that says it all.

As opposed to this left wing hate Bush site.

http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm

[stignasty]

From Snopes:

The "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):

During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.

Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development of the technology that we now know as the Internet.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

[Figleaf]

"Gore played no positive role in the decisions that led to the creation of the Internet as it now exists -- that is, in the opening of the Internet to commercial traffic," said Steve Allen, vice president for communications at the conservative Progress and Freedom Foundation.

[emphases supplied]

Is a conservative hack the best source you can muster against all the knowledgeable people referenced above?

I think that says it all.

As opposed to this left wing hate Bush site.

http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm

I think on this subject I'll put these people up against your Mr. Allen any day:

According to Vincent Cerf, a senior vice president with MCI Worldcom who's been called the Father of the Internet, "The Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given to it and related research areas by the Vice President in his current role and in his earlier role as Senator."

The inventor of the Mosaic Browser, Marc Andreesen, credits Gore with making his work possible. He received a federal grant through Gore's High Performance Computing Act. The University of Pennsylvania's Dave Ferber says that without Gore the Internet "would not be where it is today."

Joseph E. Traub, a computer science professor at Columbia University, claims that Gore "was perhaps the first political leader to grasp the importance of networking the country. Could we perhaps see an end to cheap shots from politicians and pundits about inventing the Internet?"

[B. Max]

name='Figleaf' date='May 25 2007, 05:13 PM' post='221826']

I think on this subject I'll put these people up against your Mr. Allen any day:

Well you just due that, and I will continue to believe that he did not create the internet even though he claims he did. Just as they claim his movie is a documentry, when it is just a science fiction movie.

[Figleaf]

... I will continue to believe that he did not create the internet...

Go ahead, no-one (including Gore) thinks Gore created the internet.

... even though he claims he did.

You're lying, plain and simple.

[B. Max]

name='Figleaf' date='May 25 2007, 09:07 PM' post='221896']

... even though he claims he did. You're lying, plain and simple.

Going by his own words. I took the initiative in creating the Internet Now who is lying.

[Guest coot]

Now who is lying.

Clearly, you.

[B. Max]

Gore must have been a compulsive liar all his life.

http://newsbusters.org/node/12953

[stignasty]

Gore must have been a compulsive liar all his life.

http://newsbusters.org/node/12953

"It goes without saying that one of the great things about being a beloved liberal is that when you write a new book, no one in the media will challenge any of the obvious falsehoods you present as facts."

The thing that I find interesting, while the conservatives go apeshit trying to tag Gore with the label of "liar," they're completely content to give the Bush administration a pass even though the Bush administration's lies led to a war which has cost thousands of lives.

Let's put the lies in perspective.

So called lie that Gore invented the internet < lies told by the Bush administration that have cost lives.

[Figleaf]

name='Figleaf' date='May 25 2007, 09:07 PM' post='221896']

... even though he claims he did. You're lying, plain and simple.

Going by his own words. I took the initiative in creating the Internet Now who is lying.

YOU are lying. You have asserted that Gore claims to have invented the internet, yet Gore never claimed to have invented the internet.

Gore's claim was: "... in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with INVENTING. Ergo, you are lying when you say he claimed to invent it.

You owe Al Gore an apology (but hey, so does half of America).

[B. Max]

name='Figleaf' date='May 25 2007, 09:07 PM' post='221896']

... even though he claims he did. You're lying, plain and simple.

Going by his own words. I took the initiative in creating the Internet Now who is lying.

YOU are lying. You have asserted that Gore claims to have invented the internet, yet Gore never claimed to have invented the internet.

Gore's claim was: "... in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

Create, invented same thing. No one owes Gore any apology. That is simply ridiculous. He's an even bigger liar today than ever and a hypocrite to boot.

[Figleaf]

Create, invented same thing.

Another lie.

He doesn't claim to have 'created' it. He claims to have taken initiative in creating it.

Every time you post your credibility sinks a little lower.

No one owes Gore any apology.

People who tell lies about other people owe them apologies.

I guess you were brought up differently.

He's an even bigger liar today ...

Nothing on this thread proves Gore is a liar. What this thread has established is that you lie.