"The Liberal Party Is Taken Over By Environmental Lobbyists.&quot

[betsy]

Ignatieff.

TimPowers, on MDuffy today quoted what Ignatieff had said in a statement. Mike Duffy as surprised and asked Powers if he can give the source. Powers said, "I'd be glad to." I didn't get the name of the media source.

After several minutes, Mike Duffy brought out this subject of Ignatieff's statement to some guest journalists one of whom was Gloria Galloway (it was apparent that Duffy was already given the source). That it shows the sentiment about the May-Dion deal.

Galloway agreed that it would be a long time before there will be peace among the Liberals.

Anybody knows where that statement was made?

[jbg]

Does this mean there's a Liberal voice against this environmentalist panic?

[betsy]

Does this mean there's a Liberal voice against this environmentalist panic?

What they're saying is that this was a dig against Dion. But I think Ignatieff could really be against this panic too. He's hitting two in one.

[jbg]

Does this mean there's a Liberal voice against this environmentalist panic?

What they're saying is that this was a dig against Dion. But I think Ignatieff could really be against this panic too. He's hitting two in one.

Thanks. Truthfully, I know almost nothing about Canada and that is interesting.

[geoffrey]

Iggy is a bright man, and he's far too rational for the current Liberal regime. I can't imagine how he felt when he was forced to stand against the terror provisions he wrote about at length and strongly supported... or when he constantly has to bicker about Kyoto when he's been highly questioning of the scheme himself.

[gc1765]

Iggy is a bright man, and he's far too rational for the current Liberal regime. I can't imagine how he felt when he was forced to stand against the terror provisions he wrote about at length and strongly supported... or when he constantly has to bicker about Kyoto when he's been highly questioning of the scheme himself.

Isn't this this same person you criticized for wanting to implement a carbon tax?

[Argus]

Iggy is a bright man, and he's far too rational for the current Liberal regime. I can't imagine how he felt when he was forced to stand against the terror provisions he wrote about at length and strongly supported... or when he constantly has to bicker about Kyoto when he's been highly questioning of the scheme himself.

All of which shows him to be a soulless panderer to whatever winds and polls will gain him and his party popularity. Which is what being a Liberal is all about.

[Michael Bluth]

There have always been two warring camps in the Liberal Party.

The Trudeau camp then became the Chretien camp and has now become the Ignatieff camp.

The Turner camp became the Martin camp and has now become the Dion camp.

Iggy still wants to be PM. His anti-Isreal stance was the last nail in the coffin for that dream. Not sure if Iggy realizes that yet.

[geoffrey]

Iggy is a bright man, and he's far too rational for the current Liberal regime. I can't imagine how he felt when he was forced to stand against the terror provisions he wrote about at length and strongly supported... or when he constantly has to bicker about Kyoto when he's been highly questioning of the scheme himself.

Isn't this this same person you criticized for wanting to implement a carbon tax?

Yes. I don't know why people here are so quick to do the whole 'oh, you agree with <insert politican> on one or two issues so you must agree on all issues'. Sillyness.

I'd have a hard time voting for him. Doesn't mean I can't applaud the values that he shares with reality.

[Shakeyhands]

Iggy is a bright man, and he's far too rational for the current Liberal regime. I can't imagine how he felt when he was forced to stand against the terror provisions he wrote about at length and strongly supported... or when he constantly has to bicker about Kyoto when he's been highly questioning of the scheme himself.

All of which shows him to be a soulless panderer to whatever winds and polls will gain him and his party popularity. Which is what being a Liberal is all about.

Thats rich. Seems I read all the time that Harper is trying to be a centrist to get those soft Liberal votes by moving further and further to the left, in fact i've read a few on here even say he isn't a real conservative... whatever gets him the majority eh...

[gc1765]

Yes. I don't know why people here are so quick to do the whole 'oh, you agree with <insert politican> on one or two issues so you must agree on all issues'. Sillyness.

I'd have a hard time voting for him. Doesn't mean I can't applaud the values that he shares with reality.

Of course I never suggested that. We are talking about a single issue here: the environment. You are applauding Iggy for disagreeing with the "environmental lobbyists" (I assume, since that is the topic of this thread), when Iggy was quite gung-ho about the environment himself (which is why I brought up the carbon tax example).

[jbg]

There have always been two warring camps in the Liberal Party.

The Trudeau camp then became the Chretien camp and has now become the Ignatieff camp.

The Turner camp became the Martin camp and has now become the Dion camp.

I always thought the split was by language in that party. Am I wrong?

Iggy still wants to be PM. His anti-Isreal stance was the last nail in the coffin for that dream. Not sure if Iggy realizes that yet.

Why, given Jewish influence in, generously, five or eight ridings does that make a difference? I personally care about Israel. I doubt many Canadians do.

[jdobbin]

I always thought the split was by language in that party. Am I wrong?

Why, given Jewish influence in, generously, five or eight ridings does that make a difference? I personally care about Israel. I doubt many Canadians do.

The idea of Ignatieff and Dion having rival camps is probably exaggerated.

http://www.canada.com/victoriatimescolonis...24-c4efb0b94d9b

It is one of the most curious couplings on Parliament Hill. Liberal Leader Stephane Dion and his deputy, Michael Ignatieff, sit side-by-side every day in question period, sharing whispered confidences, following the daily circus attentively, displaying no outward signs of competition, jealousy or discord.

On the contrary, these two recent rivals appear to get along amiably, in an arena where appearances count.

Many of Dion's new staff hires are not linked to past leaders or Dion or Ignatieff.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...Story/National/

As far as support of Israel goes, I just saw Dion dancing for Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRafIJExOQE

[geoffrey]

Of course I never suggested that. We are talking about a single issue here: the environment. You are applauding Iggy for disagreeing with the "environmental lobbyists" (I assume, since that is the topic of this thread), when Iggy was quite gung-ho about the environment himself (which is why I brought up the carbon tax example).

Your right. I don't agree with his environmental policies, but with at least his original skepticism about Kyoto and saying the Libeals are taken over by environmental lobbyists.

But I think I'm going to retract that statement. I'd like to rephrase.

The environmental lobby has been taken over by socialists/NDP/Liberals.

[gc1765]

Your right. I don't agree with his environmental policies, but with at least his original skepticism about Kyoto and saying the Libeals are taken over by environmental lobbyists.

Fair enough. Although, if I remember correctly, one of his criticism of Kyoto was that it didn't go far enough. And his criticism was that it reduces greenhouse gases in other countries, not ours, which is a reasonable criticism. Hmm, come to think of it, maybe I do agree with Iggy on the environment.

[telegopoly]

The new Global Warming Environmentalists are "Watermelons"

Green on the outside and Red on the inside.

Same old left wing anti-capitalist, anti-industrialists, anti-West.

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[Mad_Michael]

There is only ONE question for the Liberal Party right now...

Do they try to replace Dion as leader now, before the next election? Or do they wait until they lose the election and then do it?

[Michael Bluth]

There is only ONE question for the Liberal Party right now...

Do they try to replace Dion as leader now, before the next election? Or do they wait until they lose the election and then do it?

They will wait until afterwards.

Every leader deserves one election.

Right or wrong he did win last December...

[jbg]

There is only ONE question for the Liberal Party right now...

Do they try to replace Dion as leader now, before the next election? Or do they wait until they lose the election and then do it?

You can't deprive me of the fun of watching Dion in the English language Leadership Debates. That will be more fun that going to the chimp cage at a zoo.

[jdobbin]

There is only ONE question for the Liberal Party right now...

Do they try to replace Dion as leader now, before the next election? Or do they wait until they lose the election and then do it?

After the election, the Liberals could very well be in government considering where the Tories are in the polls.

[jdobbin]

You can't deprive me of the fun of watching Dion in the English language Leadership Debates. That will be more fun that going to the chimp cage at a zoo.

I think that is what they said about Chretien with his paralyzed face and French accent. Must have stung when he was able to win a few majorities with that.

The Tories could run an ad talking about Dion's English and ask: Is this what a prime minister sounds like? Oh, the laughs! And the likely backlash.

[Michael Bluth]

You can't deprive me of the fun of watching Dion in the English language Leadership Debates. That will be more fun that going to the chimp cage at a zoo.

Watching Dion in the English language debates will be the highlight.

Since the 1984 "You had an option." debate it has been interesting watching leader's trying to score that knock out punch.

Martin tried, not so successfully, with his theatrics aimed at Duceppe in 2006.

Dion is prime for the picking.

Please don't dump Stephane!

[Mad_Michael]

You can't deprive me of the fun of watching Dion in the English language Leadership Debates. That will be more fun that going to the chimp cage at a zoo.

I think that is what they said about Chretien with his paralyzed face and French accent. Must have stung when he was able to win a few majorities with that.

No. Chretien's bad English was plenty enough to keep him out of Sussex Drive. However, the Progressive Conservative party self-destructed, split in two and put people like Preston Manning up against Chretien.

That is why Chretien won three in a row. If he had even one valid opposition party, I doubt he would have won so easily given that he's roundly considered one of the alltime most hated politicans in Canada.

Now Harper is going to get a free pass because the Liberals have put up Dion.

And no one could make fun of Chretien's horrible sounding English because he had a medical reason for talking out the side of his face (he was afflicted with Ball Palsy). That's the reason for any backlash against an attack on Chretien's English (or French for that matter).

If you have no medical excuse for poor English, the media can make it open season upon that topic. No backlash. Dion is an easy target.

So, how long until the Liberal Party dumps Dion and replaces him with a real leader that can win?

[Mad_Michael]

There is only ONE question for the Liberal Party right now...

Do they try to replace Dion as leader now, before the next election? Or do they wait until they lose the election and then do it?

After the election, the Liberals could very well be in government considering where the Tories are in the polls.

Dion will not be winning any elections. To do that, he has to win a big chunk of seats in Quebec and win a few in Ontario that the Liberals lost. I can't imagine Dion adding a single seat in Ontario. He'd be hard pressed to hold the ones he has.

Harper would likely return his minority if he goes to the polls right now.