If The Taliban Didn't Have Jack

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If The Taliban Didn't Have Jack They'd have to invent him. http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/

Today in Question Period, Jack Layton, Leader of the NDP, stood up and suggested that we should be disclosing national secrets/security measures in public courts. Nothing like simply giving information to the terrorists. One has to wonder just how easy he wants to make it for the terrorists to kill our troops…

[B. Max]

No different than Pelosi and Reid in the US who have announced and want the president to sign a time table for surrender. Absolutely treasonous. They are all birds of a feather.

[Topaz]

No different than Pelosi and Reid in the US who have announced and want the president to sign a time table for surrender. Absolutely treasonous. They are all birds of a feather.

IF it's up to Bush, he'd keep the troops there until they won or they ALL died! After all, he went in for the oil and hasn't gotten it yet!! So perhaps the Dems should do is just tell Bush they are coming home and just do it! Most of the soldiers don't want to be there because its a civil war. Isn't it the same in Afghanistan. Afghans against the Taliban?? Only time will prove whose right.

[Figleaf]

If Conservative Party attack dogs didn't have Taliban Jack they'd have to invent him.

Oh, wait ... Conservative Party attack dogs DID invent "Taliban" Jack.

[normanchateau]

No different than Pelosi and Reid in the US who have announced and want the president to sign a time table for surrender. Absolutely treasonous. They are all birds of a feather.

IF it's up to Bush, he'd keep the troops there until they won or they ALL died! After all, he went in for the oil and hasn't gotten it yet!! So perhaps the Dems should do is just tell Bush they are coming home and just do it! Most of the soldiers don't want to be there because its a civil war. Isn't it the same in Afghanistan. Afghans against the Taliban?? Only time will prove whose right.

Afghanistan is already an Islamic republic or theocracy in that the Koran trumps all other rights in their current constitution. The main difference between the Islamic Karzai government and the Taliban is one of degree of extremism. In order to appease the Taliban, the Karzai government is adopting some of their methods. See:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article1181612.ece

[kimmy]

If Conservative Party attack dogs didn't have Taliban Jack they'd have to invent him.

Oh, wait ... Conservative Party attack dogs DID invent "Taliban" Jack.

I believe that Rick Mercer beat them to it, actually.

Jack certainly suggested we negotiate with the Taliban. To me, the fact that he's willing to concede anything to those pricks is in itself enough to deserve him the "Taliban Jack" tag.

-k

[normanchateau]

Jack certainly suggested we negotiate with the Taliban. To me, the fact that he's willing to concede anything to those pricks is in itself enough to deserve him the "Taliban Jack" tag.

In that case, NATO beneficiary and Afghan President Hamid Karzai deserves the "Taliban Karzai" tag. See:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wi...world-headlines

[scribblet]

If Conservative Party attack dogs didn't have Taliban Jack they'd have to invent him.

Oh, wait ... Conservative Party attack dogs DID invent "Taliban" Jack.

I believe that Rick Mercer beat them to it, actually.

Jack certainly suggested we negotiate with the Taliban. To me, the fact that he's willing to concede anything to those pricks is in itself enough to deserve him the "Taliban Jack" tag.

-k

Right on!

[normanchateau]

"President Hamid Karzai acknowledged for the first time Friday he has met with Taliban militants in attempts to bring peace to Afghanistan, which is struggling to quell a rising insurgency.

In the past, Karzai has offered, without success, to hold talks with the fugitive Taliban leader Mullah Omar and renegade warlord Gulbudin Hekmatyar. Some officials in his government, including provincial governors, are thought to have held informal talks with militants in the south and east, but with little apparent success to calm the insurgency.

"We have had representatives from the Taliban meeting with different bodies of Afghan government for a long time," Karzai told a news conference. "I have had some Taliban coming to speak to me as well."

Karzai did not disclose any details of the meetings, when they took place or who attended.

Hundreds of former members of the hard-line Taliban regime, including a sprinkling of former senior commanders and officials, have reconciled with the government since they were ousted from power in the U.S.-led invasion in 2001."

[Black Dog]

Jack certainly suggested we negotiate with the Taliban. To me, the fact that he's willing to concede anything to those pricks is in itself enough to deserve him the "Taliban Jack" tag.

When did we get so picky about negotiating with murderous, backwards scum? I mean, we are helping the Scumbags Formerly Known As The Northern Alliance, no?

[normanchateau]

Jack certainly suggested we negotiate with the Taliban. To me, the fact that he's willing to concede anything to those pricks is in itself enough to deserve him the "Taliban Jack" tag.

When did we get so picky about negotiating with murderous, backwards scum? I mean, we are helping the Scumbags Formerly Known As The Northern Alliance, no?

Yes, they're now part of the Karzai government which means they have Harper's stamp of approval.

[normanchateau]

Now that the Karzai government is escalating negotiations with the Taliban in light of the repeated US killing of Afghan civilians, Karzai will achieve what Jack Layton couldn't...bringing back the Canadian troops.

"The deaths brought the total of civilian deaths to almost 100 in the past two weeks and followed President Hamid Karzai's declaration that his people "can no longer accept casualties the way they occur".

Nato has announced that in future it will engage the Afghan government much more in planning military operations and keep it fully informed about developments. There is unease, however, among some Western commanders that information about previous offensives has been leaked to the Taliban from official Afghan sources.

Meanwhile, Afghanistan's senate called on President Karzai's government to open direct talks with the Taliban in an effort to bring the bloodshed to an end.

There have been unconfirmed claims that the reason the Afghan capital, Kabul, has not experienced a serious suicide bombing for several months is because of an unofficial agreement between the government and Gulbuddin Hikmatayar, one of the insurgent leaders.

Many MPs are now demanding that similar pacts should be sought with the "local Taliban" in many areas."

Source:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article2527707.ece

[kimmy]

Jack certainly suggested we negotiate with the Taliban. To me, the fact that he's willing to concede anything to those pricks is in itself enough to deserve him the "Taliban Jack" tag.

In that case, NATO beneficiary and Afghan President Hamid Karzai deserves the "Taliban Karzai" tag. See:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wi...world-headlines

Karzai might be willing to sell out the women of his country to buy a little security, but that doesn't mean we should.

I'll be disappointed if Karzai does it. I'll be ashamed if we do it.

If you don't see a difference between the two, then my response to that is somewhere between pity and revulsion.

When did we get so picky about negotiating with murderous, backwards scum? I mean, we are helping the Scumbags Formerly Known As The Northern Alliance, no?

While the warlords are no doubt rather dubious individuals, and not likely in it for altruistic reasons, the bottom line is that they are supporting a regime that upholds some semblence of human dignity and equality in that country.

The Taliban? They're setting off bombs outside schools where little girls are learning to read because they'd rather see them executed than educated. I ask again: what concessions would you people make to these shitbags to buy a little security?

Why are some people so fond of that Benjamin Franklin quote about liberty and security when it comes to reasonable measures at North American border crossings, but completely oblivious to the concept when it comes to trading peoples' most fundamental rights for a temporary reprieve from home-made bombs wielded by the worst troglodytes on the planet today?

-k

[normanchateau]

Jack certainly suggested we negotiate with the Taliban. To me, the fact that he's willing to concede anything to those pricks is in itself enough to deserve him the "Taliban Jack" tag.

In that case, NATO beneficiary and Afghan President Hamid Karzai deserves the "Taliban Karzai" tag. See:

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wi...world-headlines

Karzai might be willing to sell out the women of his country to buy a little security, but that doesn't mean we should.

The government, Karzai included, sold out long ago. In case you hadn't noticed, the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is a theocracy where women are second class citizens. The Koran trumps the constitution in Karzai's Afghanistan. If you think that NATO will remain in Afghanistan long after Karzai and the government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan ask them to leave, you're dreaming.

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The Taliban? They're setting off bombs outside schools where little girls are learning to read because they'd rather see them executed than educated. I ask again: what concessions would you people make to these shitbags to buy a little security?

Why are some people so fond of that Benjamin Franklin quote about liberty and security when it comes to reasonable measures at North American border crossings, but completely oblivious to the concept when it comes to trading peoples' most fundamental rights for a temporary reprieve from home-made bombs wielded by the worst troglodytes on the planet today?

-k

Well said Kimmy

[kimmy]

Karzai might be willing to sell out the women of his country to buy a little security, but that doesn't mean we should.

The government, Karzai included, sold out long ago. In case you hadn't noticed, the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is a theocracy where women are second class citizens. The Koran trumps the constitution in Karzai's Afghanistan.

While some people would wish to equate the state of affairs under the Taliban to the state of affairs in other Islamic countries, the fact is that they are very different. People who claim that Karzai's government and the Taliban are all the same because it's all Islam are either very dishonest or very misinformed.

I think that most Canadian Muslims would be extremely offended at the suggestion that the stupidity and savagery of the Taliban are part and parcel of the Quran.

I think that an effort to equate the Karzai regime with the Taliban on the grounds that they're both Muslim is an example of the "Islamophobia" that the progressives often whinge about.

If you think that NATO will remain in Afghanistan long after Karzai and the government of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan ask them to leave, you're dreaming.

If and when that's their decision, we'll respect it. But pulling out before that time and leaving the country at the mercy of thugs and savages would be a profound betrayal of fundamental Canadian values.

-k

[M.Dancer]

If Conservative Party attack dogs didn't have Taliban Jack they'd have to invent him.

Oh, wait ... Conservative Party attack dogs DID invent "Taliban" Jack.

Yeah that's right, they have a mole in the NDP think tank (smallest tank in town!) feeding Jack stupid ideas.....

[Black Dog]

I think that an effort to equate the Karzai regime with the Taliban on the grounds that they're both Muslim is an example of the "Islamophobia" that the progressives often whinge about.

Er except nobody is equating them because they are both Islamic. A better basis for comparison would be their shared love of brutality.

While the warlords are no doubt rather dubious individuals, and not likely in it for altruistic reasons, the bottom line is that they are supporting a regime that upholds some semblence of human dignity and equality in that country.

That's funny. Unless you're not being facetious.

The Taliban? They're setting off bombs outside schools where little girls are learning to read because they'd rather see them executed than educated.

So they're acting like Afghans?

I ask again: what concessions would you people make to these shitbags to buy a little security

Whatever. Money, a stake in the government (which, face it, is going to be made up of anti-democratic, anti-progress people whether you like it or not). I mean, given that the idea of turning Afghanistan into anything remotely resembling a liberal democracy is, at best, a pipe dream, might as well do whatever necessary to contain the violence and get some measure of stability.

Why are some people so fond of that Benjamin Franklin quote about liberty and security when it comes to reasonable measures at North American border crossings, but completely oblivious to the concept when it comes to trading peoples' most fundamental rights for a temporary reprieve from home-made bombs wielded by the worst troglodytes on the planet today?

Because some of us recognize that miracles don't happen and recognize that an Afghanistan riven by factional violence, where human rights are an afterthought, where poverty and ignorance is the norm is the only Afghanistan we're likely to have.

[normanchateau]

Karzai might be willing to sell out the women of his country to buy a little security, but that doesn't mean we should.

The government, Karzai included, sold out long ago. In case you hadn't noticed, the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan is a theocracy where women are second class citizens. The Koran trumps the constitution in Karzai's Afghanistan.

While some people would wish to equate the state of affairs under the Taliban to the state of affairs in other Islamic countries, the fact is that they are very different. People who claim that Karzai's government and the Taliban are all the same because it's all Islam are either very dishonest or very misinformed.

Whoever those people are, you are absolutely right that they are either very dishonest or very misinformed.

How does that relate to anything I said given that I don't equate Karzai and his Islamic Republic of Afghanistan

to the even more abusive Taliban?

When the Karzai government sentenced a man to death for converting from Islam to Christianity, they ultimately decided that they'd allow him to seek asylum in Europe on the grounds that he was mentally ill for converting. The Taliban would have carried out the sentence. Should Canadians be dying for a regime which sentences people to death for apostasy? Not in my opinion but I respect that other Canadians feel differently about this. I believe their opinions will change as the abuses of the corrupt Karzai government become better known.

Like it or not, the Karzai government is gradually bringing back Taliban initiatives such as religious police which were used by the Taliban to enforce their extreme religious doctrine:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/article1181612.ece