"A complete and utter fraud designed to fool Canadians"

[Posit]

Quote by Al Gore when asked about the Conservative Government's environmental program.

I would agree with him. Like most Conservative policies they are designed to provide loop holes or protection for big business. This plan will do nothing for the environment.

[Canuck E Stan]

Quote by Al Gore when asked about the Conservative Government's environmental program.

I would agree with him. Like most Conservative policies they are designed to provide loop holes or protection for big business. This plan will do nothing for the environment.

This from the guy who fooled his fellow Americans, and won an oscar doing it.Believe him and you've been fooled too.

[PolyNewbie]

Global warming is an excuse for global tax an a reason they can have to arrest you.

[betsy]

Uh-oh.

This environmental thingy seemed to have founded a cult. Al Gore must be its Supreme High Priest.

[Topaz]

I believe global warming is both, man-made and natural occurrence. How do you explain the ice at both poles melting and falling into the oceans?? We know that man is polluting the earth. The view from space showed Alberta and the pollution it was putting in the air. How about the pollution is made by sending rockets up to space, what about all the pollution the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is adding, what about all the airplanes that pollute??? What about the pollution that came with the eve of the industrial era? All I can say its better to be cautious then to ignore the possibility of people not being able to breath without a mask in the future.

[madmax]

There is a poll in todays Globe and Mail.

Here are the results so far:

Are you willing to pay more for appliances, cars, electricity and some other things to combat global warming?

Yes, global warming is a serious problem.

(45%) 3985 votes

Yes, but only a little bit more.

(18%) 1563 votes

No, polluters should pay, not me.

(20%) 1807 votes

No, global warming is not a serious problem.

(17%) 1552 votes

Cast your vote at

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/

[Argus]

Quote by Al Gore when asked about the Conservative Government's environmental program.

I would agree with him. Like most Conservative policies they are designed to provide loop holes or protection for big business. This plan will do nothing for the environment.

As much as I respect Al Gore's expertise on fraud - given his extensive experience in committing it while in office, I would suggest he's in love with his own environmental crusader image. That image is entirely due to his being selected to be the mouthpiece for a semi-documentary, and has rescued him from the well-deserved obscurity reserved for failed presidential candidates. But Gore's credentials are shaky, at best. There's no evidence he ever made the environment any kind of priority while in the Congress, Senate or White House, and his educational background does not include anything related to science. So now this dull fat man goes around spouting whatever his writers have put before him and beaming in delight that people are so impressed with him.

Not someone I want writing policy for us, thanks.

[Figleaf]

Poll-uters should pay, not me!

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As much as I respect Al Gore's expertise on fraud - given his extensive experience in committing it while in office, ...

Can you provide more information about that please?

[Keepitsimple]

His comments are infuriating - headlined on Page 2 of the Star today of course. Gore could have said the same thing about the Liberals when they were in power - they signed Kyoto and did nothing - that's the real fraud. Can you imagine if Gore had made the same accusations against the Liberals two years ago.....that Chretien, Martin and Dion had perpetrated a fraud on the Canadian people? It's one thing to disagree with a policy but it's quite another to accuse Canada's government of fraud! He's a US citizen (oh excuse me, he probably considers himself a citizen of the world) who is interfering in the politics of another country.

Boy, the Liberal media sure is on the attack. In the same edition of the Star (Sunday), there's a long article by Michael Byers speculating that there is a strong case to accuse Hillier and O'Connor of War Crimes. It would be laughable if there weren't so many biased, gullible, pacifists in the media. It's disgraceful. I saw Amir Attaran on CBC Newsworld the other day - he's the guy who started this whole thing. He's obviously a smart fellow but he only looks to be about 30 years old - quite smug and haughty in his demeanor. He's a PHD Law Professor at U of Ottawa. It never ceases to amaze me how these academics are given so much coverage by the media - I mean, how can someone be in their early 30's. become a PHD Law professor, teach at U of Ottawa and still find time to understand what goes on in Afghanistan - in the real world - on the ground. As well-meaning as he may be, he's a texbook academic armchair quarterback - and the media just sucks this stuff up.

It's all so infuriating. These are difficult times and the solutions are not black and white - in the environment and also in Afghanistan. If we want to help bring Human Rights to other, less fortunate countries (Afghanistan, Darfur, whatever), we have to be prepared to get our noses dirty and to be exposed to backward cultures. They cannot be changed overnight - it's a process of incrementalism. We can't make them adopt Human Rights - they have to come to understand them and accept them.

[Wilber]

Canada signed the protocol then ratified it and did nothing about it.

The US signed it, didn't ratify it and did nothing about it.

In spite of ratifying the protocol, Canadian emissions rose at a higher rate than the US.

Which is the most hypocritical.

A Liberal Canadian government signed and ratified the protocol.

A liberal Democratic US government signed the protocol and continued to do nothing for the remaining two years of that administration. Gore was 2IC of that administration.

Gore is a liberal, is it any wonder he doesn't like it.

[noahbody]

His comments are infuriating - headlined on Page 2 of the Star today of course. Gore could have said the same thing about the Liberals when they were in power - they signed Kyoto and did nothing - that's the real fraud. Can you imagine if Gore had made the same accusations against the Liberals two years ago.....that Chretien, Martin and Dion had perpetrated a fraud on the Canadian people?

Eddie Greenberg admitted in February that Chretien never had any intention on meeting the Kyoto targets. That is fraud.

Gore should be asked what does more for the environment: The Conservative plan or Kyoto.

[ScottSA]

What happened to all the anti-Americanism on the left? If Bush interfered with Canadian politics, would everyone be so lackadaisical about it?

[Figleaf]

What happened to all the anti-Americanism on the left? If Bush interfered with Canadian politics, would everyone be so lackadaisical about it?

Good point. I think this goes to show that the alleged 'anti-Americanism' on the left was never about America, but rather about the particular ideology being exported at any given time. That is to say, the charges of anti-Americanism leveled at the left by the extreme right were often baseless. It was all about idealogy, not nationality.

[ScottSA]

What happened to all the anti-Americanism on the left? If Bush interfered with Canadian politics, would everyone be so lackadaisical about it?

Good point. I think this goes to show that the alleged 'anti-Americanism' on the left was never about America, but rather about the particular ideology being exported at any given time. That is to say, the charges of anti-Americanism leveled at the left by the extreme right were often baseless. It was all about idealogy, not nationality.

So, during the tenure of Clinton, Alexa's rants about "American style healthcare", developed by Lyndon Johnston, were all about Republicans?

[Leafless]

Gore doesn't like it because he probably doesn't even realize how far up North we really are.

Living on the 49th ain't no picnic.

And yes Mr. Gore unlike California and Texas, our economy DOES depends on energy, a lot of energy.

[Figleaf]

What happened to all the anti-Americanism on the left? If Bush interfered with Canadian politics, would everyone be so lackadaisical about it?

Good point. I think this goes to show that the alleged 'anti-Americanism' on the left was never about America, but rather about the particular ideology being exported at any given time. That is to say, the charges of anti-Americanism leveled at the left by the extreme right were often baseless. It was all about idealogy, not nationality.

So, during the tenure of Clinton, Alexa's rants about "American style healthcare", developed by Lyndon Johnston, were all about Republicans?

Before I can respond, I need you to please quote the allegedly anti-American portions of these alleged 'rants'.

[B. Max]

What happened to all the anti-Americanism on the left? If Bush interfered with Canadian politics, would everyone be so lackadaisical about it?

That's because the anti americans in this country are pro communist one worlders.

[betsy]

I believe global warming is both, man-made and natural occurrence. How do you explain the ice at both poles melting and falling into the oceans?? We know that man is polluting the earth. The view from space showed Alberta and the pollution it was putting in the air. How about the pollution is made by sending rockets up to space, what about all the pollution the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is adding, what about all the airplanes that pollute??? What about the pollution that came with the eve of the industrial era? All I can say its better to be cautious then to ignore the possibility of people not being able to breath without a mask in the future.

What about the pollution from Gore's aircraft? I hope he's paddling on a canoe...seeing that he's a prolific traveller meeting all these speech engagements.

How about volcanoes long dormant suddenly waking up? Heck, Colombia had just seen it's first volcano eruption in 500 years!

So many questions. True, we may've contributed something negative....and perhaps if the situation is so calamitous that it means the end of life on earth, don't you think we should be doing something realllllly drastic? Never mind the Kyoto target! Let's go beyond that! Let's go for the gold ring!

For starters, how about banning all machineries that uses gas or any types of fuels? That includes cars! Let's all just bike or walk to work!

And back to the use of the old scrubber when it comes to doing laundry! Ban those BBQs!

Siera Club Hazell suggests we all go vegetarians....well then, let's do that!

You know what....I think it still won't make any much of a difference. Earth is still going to do what it's scheduled to do. It might be time for an overhaul.

Maybe we should start planning to put more irrigation systems in the prairies....prepare cities for floodings....build infrastructures to accomodate for these climate changes.

[Canuck E Stan]

Don't forget, we cause 2% of the global problem.

[betsy]

All I can say its better to be cautious then to ignore the possibility of people not being able to breath without a mask in the future.

But what do you mean by "cautious?"

I don't call it being "cautious" to spend billions and cause an economic upheaval that could bankrupt Canada just so to "honor" our agreement, so that Canada wouldn't be branded a party-pooper.

TRY to fix something that can't be fix....and do it all in one year???

And when we're broke, then what?

[betsy]

All I can say its better to be cautious then to ignore the possibility of people not being able to breath without a mask in the future.

Well maybe Canada should look into developing these masks. At least we'll be ready for chemical warfare. Two birds in one stone!

Anyway, do you know how Siera Club spinned the Liberal inaction? They said Canada was broke when the Liberals got into power. It took them that long to fix the economy....that's why Dion was only starting to do something about the environment when the Liberals lost the last election.

If so, then all the more reason I applaud Baird! Baird learned from the experience of the Liberals. See? No money, forget the environment!

[Fortunata]

So betsy, are you denying that man has had anything at all to do with climate change?

Think about this: No matter where man has been we have caused pollution. We have air pollution, water pollution, soil pollution. It has taken (and will take more) years to clean up some of these things. Wouldn't it make sense, given these examples, that man has had something to do with what is happening in our atmosphere?

[Posit]

Ah...its only money....

"Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned, the last fish has been caught, will we realize that we cannot eat money." Old Cree

[betsy]

So betsy, are you denying that man has had anything at all to do with climate change?

Think about this: No matter where man has been we have caused pollution. We have air pollution, water pollution, soil pollution. It has taken (and will take more) years to clean up some of these things. Wouldn't it make sense, given these examples, that man has had something to do with what is happening in our atmosphere?

I've said in the post above that we may have contributed something negative.

[betsy]

Ah...its only money....

"Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned, the last fish has been caught, will we realize that we cannot eat money." Old Cree

Yep. Good ol' money.

Btw, maybe we can do some kind of a group dance? You know....pray for raining money?