Topaz Posted April 26, 2007 Report Posted April 26, 2007 After reading the news of McKay's department would have been the one to "blackout" the report that he received from the Canadian own officials of the torturing of prisoners. In March, it was reported by the US Defense Dept, that prisoners being turned over to the Afghans by Canada were being tortured. So... now we have the PM lying , along with McKay and O'Connor! What, didn't Bush tell Harper of this fact??? They KNEW and are now trying to cover it up!! Quote
Fortunata Posted April 26, 2007 Report Posted April 26, 2007 According to the Cons today: 1. Allegations of abuse are false, there have been no abuses 2. We have always had access to detainees 3. If you think detainees are abused by Afghan authorities you do not support our troops and you are unpatriotic 4. The agreement touted by O'Connor as signed yesterday is only being drawn up now BUT we always did have access anyways Quote
noahbody Posted April 26, 2007 Report Posted April 26, 2007 After reading the news of McKay's department would have been the one to "blackout" the report that he received from the Canadian own officials of the torturing of prisoners. In March, it was reported by the US Defense Dept, that prisoners being turned over to the Afghans by Canada were being tortured. So... now we have the PM lying , along with McKay and O'Connor! What, didn't Bush tell Harper of this fact??? They KNEW and are now trying to cover it up!! If you're going to convict them based on that, you must convict Martin and Chretien for sponsorship scandal (my favourite part of the Gomery Inquiry was when the witness stated she couldn't recall who she'd met with in the PMO office. That's funny.). You must also convict Ralph Goodale and Scott Brison. Quote
newbie Posted April 26, 2007 Report Posted April 26, 2007 According to the Cons today:1. Allegations of abuse are false, there have been no abuses 2. We have always had access to detainees 3. If you think detainees are abused by Afghan authorities you do not support our troops and you are unpatriotic 4. The agreement touted by O'Connor as signed yesterday is only being drawn up now BUT we always did have access anyways Harper sure had a meltdown today in the HOC. Aah, if only he'd answer a question instead of blaming the opposition for asking them. Quote
Topaz Posted April 26, 2007 Author Report Posted April 26, 2007 After reading the news of McKay's department would have been the one to "blackout" the report that he received from the Canadian own officials of the torturing of prisoners. In March, it was reported by the US Defense Dept, that prisoners being turned over to the Afghans by Canada were being tortured. So... now we have the PM lying , along with McKay and O'Connor! What, didn't Bush tell Harper of this fact??? They KNEW and are now trying to cover it up!! If you're going to convict them based on that, you must convict Martin and Chretien for sponsorship scandal (my favourite part of the Gomery Inquiry was when the witness stated she couldn't recall who she'd met with in the PMO office. That's funny.). You must also convict Ralph Goodale and Scott Brison. IF it makes you happy you can convict anyone you want, that was then this is now! In the committe hearing yesterday, Khan, the former general of Pakistan now Canadian, said that when the Canadians were going to turn over a prisoner, the Afghans said they were going to shoot him and so the Canadians military didn't turn him over. So... that shows the Afghans were torturing and even wanting to kill prisoners. and the top brass of the military knew what was going on. Quote
Figleaf Posted April 26, 2007 Report Posted April 26, 2007 The Harper government is unravelling at the seams. As just a quick roundup reveals -- -Afghanistan: caught in blatant fabrications to cover up Canadian exposure to complicity in torture -Investment trusts: broken promise cost investor hundreds of millions; and now a firesale is hollowing out corporate Canada -RCMP pension debacle -RCMP general debacle -Stockwell Day implicated in potential seat-buying crimes -a really stupid budget paying for a nice fat Quebec tax cut -first environmental policy ludicrous -second environmental policy leaked -Bushist foreign policy leading to loss of international credibility -sold out hardwood lumber (Via turncoat minister) -U.S. choking off border despite the above two points -paying out money for the Chinese head tax -Canadian rots unaided in Guantanamo -... all sorts of other things they've kept hidden. Quote
Topaz Posted April 26, 2007 Author Report Posted April 26, 2007 According to the Cons today:1. Allegations of abuse are false, there have been no abuses 2. We have always had access to detainees 3. If you think detainees are abused by Afghan authorities you do not support our troops and you are unpatriotic 4. The agreement touted by O'Connor as signed yesterday is only being drawn up now BUT we always did have access anyways IF the allegations are false, why then hasn't the govt sued the paper that printed it or the person that wrote it???? As far as access to prisoners, we do while they are in detention, but not once handed over to the Afghans. As as far as your #3 statement goes, shame on you for even thinking such a thing. The PM said the same thing about the Libs and other parties! No one is saying the troops are torturing, they are saying that when they are handed OVER to the AFGHANS, torturing the Talibans. I would never say that you and any other Canadians don't support the troops. I ALWAYS support the troops BUT I may NEVER support the seating government and after hearing what I've heard today and yesterday, why would anyone. They can't even get their 3 different stories straight and Harper wouldn't let O'Connor say anything today!!! Quote
Wilber Posted April 26, 2007 Report Posted April 26, 2007 -RCMP pension debacle-RCMP general debacle These problems have been endemic in the RCMP for years. Interesting that you would single out a party that has been in power for less than a year and a half for the blame. At least they are the ones who are addressing them now. Where were those who were in power for years before? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Fortunata Posted April 27, 2007 Report Posted April 27, 2007 These problems have been endemic in the RCMP for years. Interesting that you would single out a party that has been in power for less than a year and a half for the blame. At least they are the ones who are addressing them now. Where were those who were in power for years before? From my view, it isn't that things haven't been happening within the RCMP for years. I guess I don't think that the RCMP should have political interference UNLESS something like the pension thing comes up and can't be handled satisfactorily internally. What I don't understand is that when former and current officers started contacting government officials because of inaction or inappropriate actions by RCMP higher-ups, nothing was brought forward until the papers and the opposition parties were brought into it. Even then the Conservatives refused to bring these RCMP in to testify. Why? Now they act outraged. Quote
BC_chick Posted April 27, 2007 Report Posted April 27, 2007 If you're going to convict them based on that, you must convict Martin and Chretien for sponsorship scandal. Um, no. They're quite different. One was proven, the other wasn't. But nice try. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
ScottSA Posted April 27, 2007 Report Posted April 27, 2007 It's funny watching the rabid anti-Liberals get all hyperbolic about Harper. The best was Topaz claiming that we knew about torture because he stopped a prisoner being turned over when he faced shooting. If anything it proves exactly the opposite. Oh well, at least we've moved on from Harper's hairdo, I hope. Quote
noahbody Posted April 27, 2007 Report Posted April 27, 2007 If you're going to convict them based on that, you must convict Martin and Chretien for sponsorship scandal. Um, no. They're quite different. One was proven, the other wasn't. But nice try. There was no proof in the post on which I commented. What are you talking about? Quote
Michael Bluth Posted April 27, 2007 Report Posted April 27, 2007 O'Connor is toast. Hopefully he "decides not to run again" for health reasons, and steps aside so a new Minister of Defence can take over. But who? Within cabinet? Greg Thompson? Jay Hill or Gerry Ritz from the Secretary of State ranks? Laurie Hawn, former fighter pilot, if you want to go to the back benches. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Topaz Posted April 29, 2007 Author Report Posted April 29, 2007 It's funny watching the rabid anti-Liberals get all hyperbolic about Harper. The best was Topaz claiming that we knew about torture because he stopped a prisoner being turned over when he faced shooting. If anything it proves exactly the opposite. Oh well, at least we've moved on from Harper's hairdo, I hope. On Apr.28th, CTV's Question Period, had on the reporter who wrote the article, and now he says he's is afraid the people who helped him bring forth the truth of the torturing and they are fearing for their lives in Afghanistan. He had the Human Rights in Afghanistan back him up on the torturing. So no manner how the Cons spin this or what they really say they don't know, THEY SHOULD!! They are puttting the Canadian soldiers in trouble with international law and if they go down so should Harper, McKay, O'Connor and Day!!! Quote
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