Democracy in America

[GostHacked]

So the people in power owe nothing to the population it governs?? Does not sound like much of a democracy, now does it? Take my tax money but do not use it for what I would really like it to be used for. Is it the People's agenda? Administrations agenda? GWB is more powerfull than any dictator? Again, not sounding like a democracy here. The People never vote for war.

In the USA, the "people" do indeed vote for war through elected representatives and powers enumerated in the Constitution (see "consent of the governed"). It's not your "tax money" or "agenda" even if you convince like minded individuals to vote accordingly. You can have your chance, but only as a bill on Capital Hill subject to a gauntlet of other competing interests. Or you can have your day in court.

GWB is more powerful than any dictator expressly because the USA is a constitutional republic and democracy. Don't like his agenda?...just wait until the next one comes along with a different agenda.

Only one vote to a customer.....and then only if you are a US citizen.

So when GWB was elected the first time, they knew they elected a War President? it was not untill 8 or 9 month into his presidency that the attacks on Sept 11 occured. Simple things like a timeline will show you are absolutely incorrect when you say they voted for a war president in 2000. Remember GWB was not that concerned with Osama or Al-Queda before Sept 11.

And judging by numerous polls, Bush's approval rating right now is below 35%, and has been for almost a year now. So the people are obviously waking up and wondering really why the war is happening. Bush has clearly violated the United States Constitution with several of his executive orders.

People vote for war?

People vote for corruption?

People vote for liars are crooks?

And as we know and see from the 2004 election where Florida and Ohio were in huge scandals about votes missing, recounting votes and not including some votes. So your 'One vote to a customer' ... wait ... customer??? Is that how you see the average US Citizen? Just as a customer?? You mean to say, One person, One vote. But many had their votes taken away by purposeful maliciousness. Florida is a prime example.

Hijcaking Catastrophe

Expect an edit on this : Edit Le

Goddam you Google Video and Youtube. I ws searching fo Hijacking Democracy, and got this instead. So Google and youtube (now one in the same) are taking these videos offline.

[Guthrie]

GWB was never elected president. Both of his presidencies are illegal and unconstitutional.

[GostHacked]

GWB was never elected president. Both of his presidencies are illegal and unconstitutional.

So it really boils down to this. Where is this democracy we are talking about?? The way I really see it is that we are all slaves. Free Slaves, let's say. You can choose how you are a slave in life. If it really is true that both elections were hijacked, then you can say democracy in the United States does not exist.

[Guthrie]

GWB was never elected president. Both of his presidencies are illegal and unconstitutional.

So it really boils down to this. Where is this democracy we are talking about?? The way I really see it is that we are all slaves. Free Slaves, let's say. You can choose how you are a slave in life. If it really is true that both elections were hijacked, then you can say democracy in the United States does not exist.

It's time to reclaim our Republic. It's time to restore our Democracy.

Step one: Impeach Cheney

[M.Dancer]

. If it really is true that both elections were hijacked, then you can say democracy in the United States does not exist.

Yeah but consider the source..(more nazis in North America than Germany...)

[GostHacked]

. If it really is true that both elections were hijacked, then you can say democracy in the United States does not exist.

Yeah but consider the source..(more nazis in North America than Germany...)

Alright, I am gonna go out on a limb here. I will say the Nazi's are still in power. They just moved to the United States, formed a seceret government and took over behind the sceens. I know, a long stretch. Maybe neo nazi's, for the fact seems to be Islam they are after and not Judiasm

[M.Dancer]

. If it really is true that both elections were hijacked, then you can say democracy in the United States does not exist.

Yeah but consider the source..(more nazis in North America than Germany...)

Alright, I am gonna go out on a limb here. I will say the Nazi's are still in power. They just moved to the United States, formed a seceret government and took over behind the sceens. I know, a long stretch. Maybe neo nazi's, for the fact seems to be Islam they are after and not Judiasm

Did you get the special secret decoder ring too!?!

[PolyNewbie]

Ghost Hacked:Alright, I am gonna go out on a limb here. I will say the Nazi's are still in power

A Picture Is Worth 1000 Words

[Rue]

France and others are republics. Because republics have differences is not what defines them as a republic.

All the European countries are owned by the same people that own the USA & Canada. People who really run things are the people that print the money. I wonder what is so hard for people to understand about this.

The problem is you are so caught up in your Lyndon Larouche theories that simplify complex economic principles, you have no clue that most of us prefermore thought out responses then this Larouche funny money theory that is based on one man's sociopathetic paranoid dillusions and nothing at all to do with how economies work.

For heaven's sakes man get a grip. Larouche is not your answer. Yes the world is now basically under the influence of a complex web of multi-national corporations and many trade networks of business interests. But no, there are noi "same people"-that is you projecting your need to simplify the complex web of interactions into easy to understand black and white images for you to digest.

[Rue]

I am extremely pro-American. I am grateful for their war against terror and being the one true ally of Israel. Yah I think the country has warts. Yah I think it has problems. Me personally as both a lawyer and

because of my personal political views, strongly disagree with some of what Bush has done.

I do not agree with his lying to America about Iraq. I believe invading Iraq the way it was done was wrong and was not properly planned and here is the thing-I believe Bush's policies in Iraq made the treatment of Iraqi prisoners by the Americans no better then what the terrorists do and what Hussein did.

I believe Bush and Chaney and Rumsfeld abandoned the basic fundamental principles the US constitution stands for-fair, open trials, humane treatment of prisoners, and conformity to international law.

The mercernary private armies and contractors to the CIA interogating and torturing Iraqi terrorists have

embarassed the nation and most of all disgust the US military which has an honour code that has been made a mockery by politicians.

Sorry but I am the biggest US supporter on this post but I think Bush has done ireputable harm to the honour and justice and beliefs of all Americans by allowing Iraq to have turned into a collosal mess.

Do we need to fight terrorists yes. Do we need to bomb a country back to the stone age, then arbitrarily arrest and torture its citizens with no trials, NO!

If the US was truly interested in winning the hearts and souls of Iraqis, it would not have blown the country's infrastructure away. More to the point in the rebuilding process it would involve Iraqis. It wouldn't have turned the country into a series of private contracts for Haliburton and security companies.

The biggest army in Iraq now is private. It is not accountable to anyone. It does what it wants when it wants with brute force. That is not democracy. That is not how you win the hearts and minds of people.

This is a far cry from the US Peace Corps. My God to think at one point the US had a Peace Corps. Now it relies on private contracted killers to torture people. What happened?

Rumsfeld and Chaney have no respect for the US constitution.

I am sorry but if you are a Republican, I know I sound like a bleeding heart Kennedy democrat. Its true that is true. But ask yourself this, do you think under Ronald Reagan this would have happened? DO you think Dwight Eisenhower would have let this happen. Not on your life.

This is not about being anti-American. I love America. I just don't like what Bush has done. I don't like how he has turned Iraq into a quaqmire and made it impossible to differentiate the actions of Americans from

the very terrorists he claimed to be fighting. That is wrong. Americans no deep down inside its wrong just like they knew they lost sight of democracy in Vietnam when they began engaging in terror against civilians.

I think the US Armed Forces has had its honour ruined by Bush and Chaney. I know good men in the US Army. This is not what they were trained for. They are trained to fight a war not engage in civilian politics and act as security guards. Its wrong. Fighting terrorism is admirable and I thank the Americans for that. I am very grateful. Occupying Iraq and allowing it to be a pretense to ward Haliburton and private armies contracts is wrong.

I say this because I want guys like Scott to know some of us bloody well appreciate the US but we just can't agree with Bush. I hope you can understand its possible to be both.

I think America will clean up its act in Iraq. That is the thing. It will expose its warts and do something about them. I have faith in the American system to protect its constitution, and clean up what is going on. I don't care what anyone says, Americans want to be liked. They don't want to become the terrorists they are fighting. Its American soldiers who are now refusing to go along with certain stuff in Iraq with civilians precisely because they follow their honour code. Its those soldiers I salute. They follow their orders but they won't torture civilians even if it gets them in trouble.

[PolyNewbie]

Rue:The problem is you are so caught up in your Lyndon Larouche theories that simplify complex economic principles, you have no clue that most of us prefermore thought out responses then this Larouche funny money theory that is based on one man's sociopathetic paranoid dillusions and nothing at all to do with how economies work.

I read Khrems work on economics now. I don't think you will be able to tell me where he is wrong. I don't think you know much about the subject matter at all.

If you think a ballooning national debt, declining public services and accessive borrowing on behalf of the government while managing inflation is something that is good and can continue you will have to explain why.

Really, educate me.

BTW: which confession wrt 9/11 do you believe ?

Why do you think Islamic fascists attacked the USA on 9/11 - was it to get the USA to bomb their country ? Or was it to get Iraq to put its banks under the IMF ? Was it because bin Laden family is heavily invested in Haliburton and wanted to see their stocks go through the roof ? Was it to get USA to restore the opiium trade in Afghanistan ?

Do you by any chance think that GW Bush is a fool and thats why they are in this mess, or do you think Iraq is going as to plan as in Brzezinski's book ?

[PolyNewbie]

Rue:Larouche funny money theory that is based on one man's sociopathetic paranoid dillusions and nothing at all to do with how economies work.

Larouches message on the economy is to think in terms of production and useful work rather than paper money and speculation money. Tell me where he is wrong. Tell me why you think globalization is good and who you think its good for.

[PolyNewbie]

I suspect LaRouche is the victim of one of the most carefully designed and implemented character assasinations in modern history. The fact that there is a Bush standing behind the movement says a lot.

His views on the economy are to rebuild the infrastructure using government created money, re introduce duties on products entering the country, rebuild industry and nuclear power. He wants to help other countries do the same and for US to stop fighting all these wars for the federal reserve / IMF / World banks. He wants to fix education so that it is no longer a dumbed down STW program (Student To Work). He wants people to learn how to think again.

The globalists want to do exactly the opposite of this. Larouche is a nationalist just like Saddam Hussein. Both were demonized by the forces that want to create world government with a small central oligarichal control and put most of humanity into their complete control as explained:

"The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values." -Zbigniew Brzezinski

We can see this world comming into view now where sex tourism is being lobbied for in the White House. Torture and the murder of innocents has become the norm.

People think that because they are "educated" they are immune to globalist propoganda and the ones reading what I write think I am crazy, but in reality tyhe operations of the banks, the UN, international drug trading, torture and the UN child sex trade are really out in the open. Due to a "Group Regulated Mind" people ignore the obvious. The Group Regulated Mind works across all socio - economic boundaries. In Europe this is known and is coined "Austrian talk" a phrase that originated around the time of ww2 for obvious reasons.

[B. Max]

Rule of the people, a system of selecting a government based of suffrage. The Democratic state takes many forms from the most extremes like direct democracy or anarchistic democracy (no party states to socialist democracy (one party states). The most common form of democracy in the west is representative which include Canada and the US.

That's a nice version, but it doesn't make the US a democracy and I don't think the word democracy appears in the US constitution anywhere.

Although this is not the original pledge, it probably should have been.

The Pledge of Allegiance

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

one Nation under God,

indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[ScottSA]

Rule of the people, a system of selecting a government based of suffrage. The Democratic state takes many forms from the most extremes like direct democracy or anarchistic democracy (no party states to socialist democracy (one party states). The most common form of democracy in the west is representative which include Canada and the US.

That's a nice version, but it doesn't make the US a democracy and I don't think the word democracy appears in the US constitution anywhere.

Although this is not the original pledge, it probably should have been.

The Pledge of Allegiance

I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands,

one Nation under God,

indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Why are you having so much trouble understanding that a republic can and usually is democratic? Why do you feel that they are two oppositional forms of government?

[B. Max]

Why are you having so much trouble understanding that a republic can and usually is democratic? Why do you feel that they are two oppositional forms of government?

I'm not arguing that there are not similarities, but here they seem to serve the purpose of blurring the debate, but those similarities do not make a republic a democracy. There are two main differences between the two and they are obvious, and others that are not so obvious. For instance. Neither the US constitution or it's amendments, the first ten, confer or grand rights to anyone, or give the government the power to do so. Are you with so far, or would you like to challenge that.

[bush_cheney2004]

So when GWB was elected the first time, they knew they elected a War President? it was not untill 8 or 9 month into his presidency that the attacks on Sept 11 occured. Simple things like a timeline will show you are absolutely incorrect when you say they voted for a war president in 2000. Remember GWB was not that concerned with Osama or Al-Queda before Sept 11.

And judging by numerous polls, Bush's approval rating right now is below 35%, and has been for almost a year now. So the people are obviously waking up and wondering really why the war is happening. Bush has clearly violated the United States Constitution with several of his executive orders.

People vote for war?

People vote for corruption?

People vote for liars are crooks?

Of course they knew..they voted for a PRESIDENT, who is responsible for executing the duties of his office. It doesn't matter whether it was GWB or Big Al...."war" and "War Powers" are part of the job description. Check out Jimmy Carter's approval ratings in 1980...worse than GWB's today, not that such polls mean a damn thing.

FDR and Abe Lincoln also "violated" the US Constitution....both were reelected as "war" presidents. Ditto George W. Bush.

Opinions and rants about presidential transgressions today or yesteryear ignore the patently obvious. Less than two years to go (January 2009)...you will have to try much harder than this.

[PolyNewbie]

BC:Opinions and rants about presidential transgressions today or yesteryear ignore the patently obvious.

Lets look at the obvious:

The effort in Iraq is largely privatized, Haliburton and others get billions for work it hasn't done yet and probably will not do.

Haliburton private thugs that get paid 3 or 4 times what soldiers get paid can freely drive around Iraq and shoot people at will with no consequences.

Haliburton and Bechtel are involved with the international kiddie brothel / sex trade and so is the UN. There is too much info about this for anyone to miss unless they try to ignore it. You would have to try to ignore this if you have investments in these companies because if you don't ignore it then you become an active participant in the gobal sex trade by supporting them with your investment dollars.

The troops in Iraq pay up to $28.00 for a hot meal because the food delivery is privatized and they have to pay Haliburton drivers alot of money to truck the food into dangerous areas instead of having the army do it.

The guys over there sometimes have to sleep in cold tanks and live in them for days then on inspections they have to have clean pressed uniforms - the only way of doing that is to pay Haliburton to do it. Pay Haliburton or face your commanding officer in a dirty uniform.

When they get back a lot of them are coughing up blood and have all kinds of strange illnesses. You won't hear about that on TV because there is a Pentagon moratorium on reporting DU related effects in the war.

The government has blatently stolen well over one trillion dollars since sept 11 / 2001 and will not even answer questions about it.

When they write the new North American Union constitution everyone will be afraid of the police because people will have no rights and the police will be working for wages low enough to pay immigrants. They will work for companies like Haliburton and Bechtel on the side if not directly and it will likely be illegal for them to report their activities to the public that won't have any power anyways. So they will get bonuses for picking the cute kiddies up off the street and sending them away to these brothels so they can buy a new car or new TV set. Nothing can be done because every body will be watched, good cops won't be able to report bad ones and no one will even have guns to stop any of this.

Of course we know that will happen here because it happens everywhere else. Its only a matter of time. Nice that they have a record quarter in earnings.

This is the privatization of war that Bush is guilty of and both Bush and Harper want private prisons as well. I hope the guys on here supporting all this don't have cute kiddies that may be worth more in a brothel than in school because if everything goes to privatization that is where they will end up.

The Bush presidency is not the same as the others. It is the murder of innocent children and families in incredibly high numbers for the sake of nothing more than greed. It is a private takeover of the country by people that openly are proud of their nihilistic devil worshiping behaviour and beliefs. We have all seen pictures of the hand signal.

I'm still waiting for that lesson in economics from Rue. Funny how no one can criticise LaRouche for anything.

[bush_cheney2004]

...The Bush presidency is not the same as the others. It is the murder of innocent children and families in incredibly high numbers for the sake of nothing more than greed. It is a private takeover of the country by people that openly are proud of their nihilistic devil worshiping behaviour and beliefs. We have all seen pictures of the hand signal.

Like I said...ignoring history and the patently obvious. In fact, you have contradicted your own previous rants about bankers and war.

Haliburton? Bechtel? Don't forget Ironhorse Oil & Gas or Oil & Gas International (Canada):

In the past year, little-known companies like Everasia of Istanbul, Ironhorse Oil & Gas, and Oil & Gas International from Canada and Petrel Resources of Ireland have signed multimillion-dollar contracts to develop fields in Iraq.

[PolyNewbie]

In the past year, little-known companies like Everasia of Istanbul, Ironhorse Oil & Gas, and Oil & Gas International from Canada and Petrel Resources of Ireland have signed multimillion-dollar contracts to develop fields in Iraq.

I haven't seen Harper do the lucifarian hand signal and he isn't directly (blood) connected to the same people that funded Hitler.

[bush_cheney2004]

I haven't seen Harper do the lucifarian hand signal and he isn't directly (blood) connected to the same people that funded Hitler.

1. There is no Lucifer (or Saurians).

2. Hitler is dead...see Godwin's Law.

Again...more contradiction from you, who earlier maintained that PM Harper was in on the CFR and NWO and Bilderberg Group.

[Guthrie]

the fraud, the lies, the entire bill of goods is coming out -- funny how many former officials need to confirm it before people wake up - now we know the Medal of Freedom was given to Tenet in an effort to shut him up -- I guess they need a bigger medal

Link

Waxman Invites Tenet to Testify

By Patrick O'Connor

The Politico

Friday 27 April 2007

House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) has invited former CIA Director George Tenet to testify before his committee next month about claims that Iraq sought to buy uranium in Africa.

Waxman sent a letter to Tenet, in the care of his lawyer, Robert B. Barnett, on Friday asking the former CIA director to appear before his committee to discuss the intelligence data that President Bush cited in his 2003 State of the Union speech to justify the invasion of Iraq.

"The purpose of the hearing is to learn your views about one of the claims used to justify the war in Iraq - the assertion that Iraq sought to import uranium from Niger - and related issues," Waxman wrote in the letter.

...

Tenet famously claimed that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction in his now infamous "slam dunk" comment that now seems more like a cover-your-butt background leak from some other White House official who was worried the president might be culpable for the pre-war intelligence.

Tenet now slams the White House back in his new book, "At the Center of the Storm," saying they twisted his quote about the weapons of mass destruction and claiming there was never a "serious debate" leading up to the invasion. According to an Associated Press preview of the book, the former CIA chief has nice things to say about Bush himself, reserving his ire for Cheney.

[PolyNewbie]

2. Hitler is dead...see Godwin's Law.

Of course any discussion of the Bush administration will eventually bring Hitler in because the two are linked - "PolyNewbies Law".