jdobbin Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Posted June 9, 2007 It's a deep, important and profound philosophical issue. It's a an issue that shows hypocrisy and lack of transparency. Harper is not a leader. Quote
ScottSA Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 It's a deep, important and profound philosophical issue. It's a an issue that shows hypocrisy and lack of transparency. Harper is not a leader. Ayup. "Hair: the Death of a PM" Quote
Who's Doing What? Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Actually it was over Manning's clothing allowance.Kinda takes the legitimacy out of your argument when you get the basic facts wrong. Whatever Ricki. This kind of disissive BS and nitpicking is so lame. So typical CPC. The legitimacy of the argument is totally valid. Harper attacked Manning over spending money on his image. Be it clothes, stylist whatever. Harper should at the very least be questioned about his own spending when it apparently meant so much to him when Manning did it. Nice try to weasel out of it though. Your avoidance tactics are getting sharp what with all the dodging and spinning you have had to do recently in your crusade to defend the Harper. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Who's Doing What? Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 It's a an issue that shows hypocrisy and lack of transparency. Harper is not a leader. The CPC double standard does not allow for them to see the hyporcisy of their actions. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
Shakeyhands Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 If Harper can't see the difference in having his make-up artist being paid for by taxpayer money and being coy about it, he just doesn't get it. It's a dead issue. Nobody but the most rabid of those opposing Harper care. Nobody is changing their mind or their vote over this issue. I'll state this again... congratulations to the CPC for finally finding a way to weasel out of telling us how much something costs, add it to the lengthening list. So much for transparency. It doesn't matter if its $5000 or $500,000. If you guys don't understand it then you aren't as bright as I might have given you credit for. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Fortunata Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 If you guys don't understand it then you aren't as bright as I might have given you credit for. They don't want to get it. If it were a Liberal government, tho, they would get it pretty fast. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 I'll state this again... congratulations to the CPC for finally finding a way to weasel out of telling us how much something costs, add it to the lengthening list. So much for transparency. It doesn't matter if its $5000 or $500,000. But Liberal associates *only* scammed the Government out of $1.14 Million dollars with Adscam. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Actually it was over Manning's clothing allowance. Kinda takes the legitimacy out of your argument when you get the basic facts wrong. Whatever Ricki. Ricki???? This kind of disissive BS and nitpicking is so lame. So typical CPC. The legitimacy of the argument is totally valid. Harper attacked Manning over spending money on his image. Be it clothes, stylist whatever. Harper should at the very least be questioned about his own spending when it apparently meant so much to him when Manning did it. Nice try to weasel out of it though. Your avoidance tactics are getting sharp what with all the dodging and spinning you have had to do recently in your crusade to defend the Harper. Hairport didn't go far against Clinton either. Doesn't seem like the makings of a big issue. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Who's Doing What? Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Ricki???? Ya Ricki. Hairport didn't go far against Clinton either. Doesn't seem like the makings of a big issue. Hmmm Was Clinton on record of criticizing the same thing when someone else did it? Having the stylist isn't the issue. The hypocrisy and stonewalling is. Quote Harper differed with his party on some key policy issues; in 1995, for example, he was one of only two Reform MPs to vote in favour of federal legislation requiring owners to register their guns. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harper.html "You've got to remember that west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society." (Stephen Harper, Report Newsmagazine, January 22, 2001)
gc1765 Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 ScottSA said it best. Allow me to paraphrase. It was neither a fair nor an honest question. Such a false dichotomy was either a wilfull lie or symbolic of a deep-seated, irrational hatred. Which do you think it was? Harper used to say that having the party pay for things like this was wrong (and I"m sure he'd agree it's just as wrong for taxpayers to pick up the tab). Now, apparently, he seems to think it's perfectly acceptable. So, the question is, was he lying when he said that the party/taxpayers shouldn't pick up the tab for things like this? Or was he telling the truth, in which case he should be criticizing himself now? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
noahbody Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Harper used to say that having the party pay for things like this was wrong (and I"m sure he'd agree it's just as wrong for taxpayers to pick up the tab). Now, apparently, he seems to think it's perfectly acceptable. So, the question is, was he lying when he said that the party/taxpayers shouldn't pick up the tab for things like this? Or was he telling the truth, in which case he should be criticizing himself now? Some of you should really invest in "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Stephen Harper." Harper is a merit-driven person. He believes respect should be gained on the basis of policy, effort and achievement; not by the clothes they wear or their hairstyle. Was he lying when he objected to Manning's clothing budget? No. He stated his belief. He didin't believe it was important. Why does he have a stylist now? He's learned image plays a greater role in the political game than he'd like. Quote
gc1765 Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Was he lying when he objected to Manning's clothing budget? No. He stated his belief. He didin't believe it was important. Why does he have a stylist now? He's learned image plays a greater role in the political game than he'd like. Harper is a pretty bright guy. Surely you can't plead ignorance on his part? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jdobbin Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Posted June 9, 2007 Some of you should really invest in "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Stephen Harper." Harper is a merit-driven person. He believes respect should be gained on the basis of policy, effort and achievement; not by the clothes they wear or their hairstyle.Was he lying when he objected to Manning's clothing budget? No. He stated his belief. He didin't believe it was important. Why does he have a stylist now? He's learned image plays a greater role in the political game than he'd like. I think you are re-writing the history of how Harper attacked Manning over the issue. He did think it was important. He did think it was a big deal. He said it harmed the credibility of politicians when they didn't disclose expenses or let the party pay things that should be paid for by the individual. Substitute party for taxpayer and this is the story we are looking at now. Harper would have been all over this if the Liberals were the ones hiding the expense. I have no sympathy for his cover-up now. Zip. It is taxpayer money and he is a hypocrite who hides behind his MP office budget. No different, I'm sure, than what he said about Manning. Quote
jdobbin Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Posted June 9, 2007 I'll state this again... congratulations to the CPC for finally finding a way to weasel out of telling us how much something costs, add it to the lengthening list. So much for transparency. It doesn't matter if its $5000 or $500,000.If you guys don't understand it then you aren't as bright as I might have given you credit for. If it was a dead issue, certainly the Tory faithful here wouldn't even bother posting a reply. Harper's hypocritical and non-transparent response to this is why he has lost credibility with people who actually care how taxpayer money is spent. Tories proved with their last budget that they know how to outspend 13 years of Liberal budgets hands down. In case anyone has forgotten the Liberal reaction to Harper using a taxpayer stylist was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxzgCBFFKpg It should be run during the election. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 If it was a dead issue, certainly the Tory faithful here wouldn't even bother posting a reply. And let you turn MLW into another Rabble? No. Sorry. Not going to happen. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted June 9, 2007 Author Report Posted June 9, 2007 Certainly, it will never be a dead issue when someone stalks behind everyone of my posts. Harper's hypocrisy on lack of transparency will always have its fervent defender. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 9, 2007 Report Posted June 9, 2007 Certainly, it will never be a dead issue when someone stalks behind everyone of my posts. Posting an hour and 42 minutes after you is stalking? Wow, I guess I'm a senior citizen moving at that lightning speed. Bait on my friend. Bait on. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
Shakeyhands Posted June 10, 2007 Report Posted June 10, 2007 Harper used to say that having the party pay for things like this was wrong (and I"m sure he'd agree it's just as wrong for taxpayers to pick up the tab). Now, apparently, he seems to think it's perfectly acceptable. So, the question is, was he lying when he said that the party/taxpayers shouldn't pick up the tab for things like this? Or was he telling the truth, in which case he should be criticizing himself now? Some of you should really invest in "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Stephen Harper." Harper is a merit-driven person. He believes respect should be gained on the basis of policy, effort and achievement; not by the clothes they wear or their hairstyle. Was he lying when he objected to Manning's clothing budget? No. He stated his belief. He didin't believe it was important. Why does he have a stylist now? He's learned image plays a greater role in the political game than he'd like. You know, I couldn't give two shits if the man has a stylist, I really couldn't. Hell, he needs ones. My problem with this is and always has been what it is costing me...... First we were told the party paid for it, then we were told that we were paying for it.. which is it and how much is it? If they are content to hide a cost in an office supplies column so they don't have to disclose it, well, I don't know what to say then. It sure lacks openess and transperancy doesn't it.... Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
jdobbin Posted June 10, 2007 Author Report Posted June 10, 2007 You know, I couldn't give two shits if the man has a stylist, I really couldn't. Hell, he needs ones.My problem with this is and always has been what it is costing me...... First we were told the party paid for it, then we were told that we were paying for it.. which is it and how much is it? If they are content to hide a cost in an office supplies column so they don't have to disclose it, well, I don't know what to say then. It sure lacks openess and transperancy doesn't it.... I'd love to know the cost. I'm sure many Canadians would be interested to know how much Harper pays for a make-up artist and why he hides it in his office budget which should be used for...his constituency office. Quote
ScottSA Posted June 10, 2007 Report Posted June 10, 2007 Maybe you should form a group, a brigade, and name it something like "Wiggers," or "Follicleites," and then sack his office looking for evidence of his bills, so you can shock the country. The country, after all, seems to have fallen asleep in the face of this egregious offense against all things decent and worthy and needs a wakeup call. To the barracades! Quote
jdobbin Posted June 10, 2007 Author Report Posted June 10, 2007 Maybe you should form a group, a brigade, and name it something like "Wiggers," or "Follicleites," and then sack his office looking for evidence of his bills, so you can shock the country. The country, after all, seems to have fallen asleep in the face of this egregious offense against all things decent and worthy and needs a wakeup call. To the barracades! I think the country is well aware of Harper's hypocrisy and lack of disclosure. Quote
sharkman Posted June 10, 2007 Report Posted June 10, 2007 Maybe you should form a group, a brigade, and name it something like "Wiggers," or "Follicleites," and then sack his office looking for evidence of his bills, so you can shock the country. The country, after all, seems to have fallen asleep in the face of this egregious offense against all things decent and worthy and needs a wakeup call. To the barracades! I think the country is well aware of Harper's hypocrisy and lack of disclosure. They are aware of a decade of Liberal mismanagement and billions wasted. I'm afraid you'll be disappointed with the cost of Harper's make up although you'll put on a game face and whine about it when it's revealed. You need a life, friend. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted June 10, 2007 Report Posted June 10, 2007 They are aware of a decade of Liberal mismanagement and billions wasted. I'm afraid you'll be disappointed with the cost of Harper's make up although you'll put on a game face and whine about it when it's revealed. You need a life, friend. I don't think we need to know. The source of Muntean's salary has been disclosed. But I'm sure we'll hear whining no matter what. Plus the false analogy between Muntean and Manning's clothing allowance. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted June 10, 2007 Author Report Posted June 10, 2007 They are aware of a decade of Liberal mismanagement and billions wasted. I'm afraid you'll be disappointed with the cost of Harper's make up although you'll put on a game face and whine about it when it's revealed. You need a life, friend. If Harper had simply stated up front that he was using taxpayer money and how much, it would have been less of an issue than the lack of disclosure. As for your personalizing this, perhaps you should try to keep a cool head and not get so upset. Quote
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