gc1765 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 I know he's been vocal about his priorities being Quebec....but is he endorsing anyone among the other leaders for prime minister? May is endorsing Dion. He has said many times that he is supporting the Conservatives because of their promise to address the fiscal imbalance. I don't see much difference between that and May supporting the Liberals for the environment. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 He has said many times that he is supporting the Conservatives because of their promise to address the fiscal imbalance. I don't see much difference between that and May supporting the Liberals for the environment. What? You don't see the difference between supporting another leader on an issue and making a deal not to run a candidate against a leader/asking people to vote for him as PM? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 What?You don't see the difference between supporting another leader on an issue and making a deal not to run a candidate against a leader/asking people to vote for him as PM? It's one riding. I'm sure the Greens will still be campaigning in the other 307 ridings. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 It's one riding. I'm sure the Greens will still be campaigning in the other 307 ridings. Isn't that all the more reason why May should be promoting herself as the best prospective Prime Minister? OR Is she saying that if the Greens are in the position to form the Government after the next election she will step aside for Stephane Dion? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 Isn't that all the more reason why May should be promoting herself as the best prospective Prime Minister?OR Is she saying that if the Greens are in the position to form the Government after the next election she will step aside for Stephane Dion? I think May is being realistic and knows she doesn't have a great chance at winning...actually at this point she has next to zero chance unless something drastic happens. She knows the race is between the Conservatives and Liberals, and given those two choices I think she would rather have the Liberals in power. But that isn't going to stop her from wanting to pick up a few seats if possible, and increase the Green Party's standings, so that they have a better shot in the future. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 She knows the race is between the Conservatives and Liberals, and given those two choices I think she would rather have the Liberals in power. But that isn't going to stop her from wanting to pick up a few seats if possible, and increase the Green Party's standings, so that they have a better shot in the future. So then there should be a number of other fringe parties included in the debates. Where do you draw the line? Seems like having at least one Member or Parliament at the time the writ is dropped is a good starting point. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 She knows the race is between the Conservatives and Liberals, and given those two choices I think she would rather have the Liberals in power. But that isn't going to stop her from wanting to pick up a few seats if possible, and increase the Green Party's standings, so that they have a better shot in the future. So then there should be a number of other fringe parties included in the debates. Where do you draw the line? Seems like having at least one Member or Parliament at the time the writ is dropped is a good starting point. I never said whether the Green Party should be included or not. I'd draw the line at a certain percentage of the vote, not number of seats in the house. Where to draw the line? Your guess is as good as mine. 5%? 10%? 15%? I dont' know. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 I never said whether the Green Party should be included or not. I'd draw the line at a certain percentage of the vote, not number of seats in the house. Where to draw the line? Your guess is as good as mine. 5%? 10%? 15%? I dont' know. Isn't this thread about whether or not the Greens should be in the debates? The Greens got a little under 4.5% of the vote in the last election. Both setting the line at an MP in the house and/or a certain percentage of votes in the last election are arbitrary. The debates are unwieldly enough as they are. I don't think adding May is necessarily a good thing. Could they include her but only let her speak to environmental questions? What if one of the debates is on environmental issues and that is the only debate she is invited to participate in? Politics is about compromise and that seems like a fair compromise to me. Something tells me that if May participates in all the debates it will be a Machiavellian move on Harper/Layton and/or Duceppe's part. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 Good questions: Both setting the line at an MP in the house and/or a certain percentage of votes in the last election are arbitrary. True. It is going to be arbitrary no matter how you decide it. The debates are unwieldly enough as they are. I don't think adding May is necessarily a good thing. That gives me a good idea. Why not invite only the top 4 or 5 (choose your arbitary number) parties? Then you wouldn't have to worry about who gets how many votes. Could they include her but only let her speak to environmental questions? Politics is about compromise and that seems like a fair compromise to me. In theory, that might sound like a good idea. But where do you draw the line with that one? Should the communist party be allowed to debate the economy? The marijuana party be allowed to debate the legalization of marijuana? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Michael Bluth Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 The marijuana party be allowed to debate the legalization of marijuana? And the leaders would have to smoke up during the debate. They could set the format like *those* scenes from That 70's Show. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
geoffrey Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 Do you agree that it's the % of vote and not number of seats that count? If so, where would you draw the line? I think it should be up to the broadcasters that put on the debates. If people want the Green party, then they can organize a boycott until May makes an appearence. If you don't, then watch anyways. Advertising dollars are at play here. You'll get what you want if you speak up a little. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
scribblet Posted April 18, 2007 Report Posted April 18, 2007 I think it's time they are oncluded in the debates. Why not? It might help them modernize their politics. I thought that at first, but since May has endorsed Dion as making the best PM, she is obviously a Liberal, therefore she doesn't need to be in the debate. If Layton really believed in going Green, then he would also not run a candidate in that riding. Apparantly, Dan Baril, strategist for the Green Party, has resigned or maybe fired, from his position because of his disagreement with Elizabeth May's agreement with Dion. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
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