Tolerance or insanity?

[ScottSA]

Hindus may win right to open air cremations in the UK

[ 10 Apr, 2007 1910hrs ISTPTI ]

LONDON: A High Court judge has approved an ailing Hindu's attempt to seek judicial review of a city council's refusal to allow open air cremation, a move which could result in the community performing their traditional funeral rites across Britain.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/article...?mailtofriend=1

I assume the left will find itself strained over whether to applaude "tolerance" or condemn CO2 emmissions...

[Cameron]

What about my right not to have body ash snow falling on my property...

[M.Dancer]

Hindus may win right to open air cremations in the UK

[ 10 Apr, 2007 1910hrs ISTPTI ]

LONDON: A High Court judge has approved an ailing Hindu's attempt to seek judicial review of a city council's refusal to allow open air cremation, a move which could result in the community performing their traditional funeral rites across Britain.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/article...?mailtofriend=1

I assume the left will find itself strained over whether to applaude "tolerance" or condemn CO2 emmissions...

I would say tolerance. Provided of course that the fuel is natural gas.

Now as it happens, in India a traditional funeral pyre is not cheap (Calling All Life Insurance Agents..BIZ OP!!!) So what happens when a family can't affors enough fuel is they tend to dispose of the remains in the local waterway where the local crocadillian species finishes the job. Now it wouldn't be the first time that bodies were allowed to float in the Sacred Thames, Avon, Trent, Mersey.... etc etc.....I even think there was a song a few decades ago.....

Body cross mersey.....

Life goes on day after day

Hearts torn in every way

So Bodies 'cross the Mersey

'cause this land's the place I love

and here I'll stay

People they rush everywhere

Each with their own secret care

So bodies 'cross the Mersey

and always take me there

The place I love

People around every corner

They seem to smile and say

We don't care what your name is boy

We'll never turn you away

So I'll continue to say

Here I always will stay

So bodies 'cross the Mersey

'cause this land's the place I love

and here I'll stay

and here I'll stay

Here I'll stay

[Figleaf]

What about my right not to have body ash snow falling on my property...

Indeed, or having to breath it. I don't think religion or culture or any other sort of special pleading should be used as an excuse to impose negative externalities on others.

Note, though, if I understand correctly the court decision referenced here is only a threshold question and a full hearing to decide the issue will follow.

[ScottSA]

What about my right not to have body ash snow falling on my property...

Indeed, or having to breath it. I don't think religion or culture or any other sort of special pleading should be used as an excuse to impose negative externalities on others.

Note, though, if I understand correctly the court decision referenced here is only a threshold question and a full hearing to decide the issue will follow.

Traditional Hindu funerals at the burning ghats along the Jumuna River in Delhi involve huge amounts of wood, great blazing infernos and large stinky palls of smoke. Then, after the first born son smashes the skull of the dearly departed to let the soul travel freely, the remains are dumped into the sacred Jumuna. As Morris points out, most folks can only afford a bit of fuel, which cuts back on emmissions makes the crocodiles happy and gives the washerwomen something to watch as half-consumed corpses adorned with marigold garlands wash along. Mind you, it's not quite as exciting as before the British showed up to persecute the Hindus, when the entire harem got to burn alive with the departed. The post-colonial revisionists have yet to show us how that is a custom worth reviving, but I'm sure multiculturalism has a ways to go yet.

[Canadian Blue]

Say ScottSA, don't you think thats a bit ethnocentric???

As I've said before with countless other minority groups you like to pick on, leave the Hindus alone!!!

[ScottSA]

Say ScottSA, don't you think thats a bit ethnocentric???

As I've said before with countless other minority groups you like to pick on, leave the Hindus alone!!!

So you don't mind them torching their relatives down the street? And how is describing what happens in Delhi at the burning ghats "ethnocentric"?

[BubberMiley]

I assume the left will find itself strained over whether to applaude "tolerance" or condemn CO2 emmissions...

And the right will find itself strained over whether to applaud "faith-based" initiatives and religious freedom or condemn brown-skinned immigrants?

[Canadian Blue]

No, because we don't allow that in our country from what I understand, if they want to do that in India, then by all means go ahead.

ScottSA, any idiot can see that you're ethnocentric.

Would you like a definition of ethnocentrism?

[DogOnPorch]

ScottSA, any idiot can see that you're ethnocentric.

You might want to re-phrase that....or maybe not.

:D

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[Canadian Blue]

DogOnPorch sorry if I hurt your buddy.

[DogOnPorch]

Actually, you're calling yourself an idiot.

Try saying: "Anyone can see you're ethnocentric." Works out better for you.

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---Groucho Marx

[M.Dancer]

Actually, you're calling yourself an idiot.

Try saying: "Anyone can see you're ethnocentric." Works out better for you.

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Those are my principles, and if you don't like them...well, I have others.

---Groucho Marx

I was going to point that out but I was afraid Figleaf would report me.

[Canadian Blue]

I don't think you're a Language Arts Teacher, and I'm pretty sure most people can pick up that I was talking about ScottSA. Perhaps you still harbour ill feelings over the civilian bombing thread. I find it pretty sad thats the best you can do, but its not much of a surprise.

As I said before any idiot can see that ScottSA harbours ethnocentric sentiments. I'm sure you've heard that before. Meaning anyone with a low IQ can even see that ScottSA is ethnocentric.

If you'd like me to brush up on my english, then feel free to send me some links.

[DogOnPorch]

Meaning anyone with a low IQ can even see that ScottSA is ethnocentric.

I think you want: "Meaning even those with a low IQ can see that ScottSA is ethnocentric."

Otherwise you're saying any and every person with a low IQ is capable of seeing Scott's apparent condition. Unless that's is what you did mean to say...then don't let me stop you.

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[Figleaf]

I was going to point that out but I was afraid Figleaf would report me.

Knowledge builds confidence. Read...

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/index.p...&CODE=01&HID=17

[M.Dancer]

I was going to point that out but I was afraid Figleaf would report me.

Knowledge builds confidence. Read...

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/index.p...&CODE=01&HID=17

Well that would explain your name then

[ScottSA]

I don't think you're a Language Arts Teacher, and I'm pretty sure most people can pick up that I was talking about ScottSA. Perhaps you still harbour ill feelings over the civilian bombing thread. I find it pretty sad thats the best you can do, but its not much of a surprise.

As I said before any idiot can see that ScottSA harbours ethnocentric sentiments. I'm sure you've heard that before. Meaning anyone with a low IQ can even see that ScottSA is ethnocentric.

If you'd like me to brush up on my english, then feel free to send me some links.

I would like you to brush up on your english...the superfluous use of apostrophes in every sentence gets a bit tiring on the eyes. I even sent you a corrective link, but you ignored it.

Anyway, whether anyone can see that I'm ethnocentric or not, it doesn't change the fact that this thread is about bringing burning ghat customs to the west, not about what they do in India. I pointed out what they do in India because it was relevant to the thread, since Hindus want to institute in on the Thames. Your lilly white observations about my belief system are not relevant to the thread.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm fairly well immune to these silly accusations of "racism", "homophobia" and now "ethnocentrism". Of course I'm ethnocentric...it comes from years of living in the third world and seeing for myself what the world is about...and then choosing the western system of living as worthy of being "centric" about. We live in the best social system in the world, and I'm proud of it. It's truly a shame more people can't or won't open their eyes to what the rest of the world actually is...it's not a result of "poverty", "ignorance" or any of the other leftist shibboleths...those are a consequence of atrocious social models.

[Canadian Blue]

I would like you to brush up on your english...the superfluous use of apostrophes in every sentence gets a bit tiring on the eyes. I even sent you a corrective link, but you ignored it.

It only hurts the eyes of people that I have pissed off. If I notice simple errors in a post, I usually don't bother. I'm not that infantile, atleast towards somewhat respectable posters.

Anyway, whether anyone can see that I'm ethnocentric or not, it doesn't change the fact that this thread is about bringing burning ghat customs to the west, not about what they do in India. I pointed out what they do in India because it was relevant to the thread, since Hindus want to institute in on the Thames. Your lilly white observations about my belief system are not relevant to the thread.

According to the article they would do the ceremony in a secluded location.

The burning of a human body in the open air, they say, is an offence only if it causes a public nuisance, which would be avoided as the sites would be in secluded locations.

Justice Collins ruled that it was in the public interest to allow the application because the issue was "of some considerable importance to the Hindu community".

In case you haven't noticed, I'm fairly well immune to these silly accusations of "racism", "homophobia" and now "ethnocentrism". Of course I'm ethnocentric...it comes from years of living in the third world and seeing for myself what the world is about...and then choosing the western system of living as worthy of being "centric" about. We live in the best social system in the world, and I'm proud of it. It's truly a shame more people can't or won't open their eyes to what the rest of the world actually is...it's not a result of "poverty", "ignorance" or any of the other leftist shibboleths...those are a consequence of atrocious social models.

Mostly because you think whites are superior to other people right? I gave you a link in another thread to a group which will help you defend against the feminists, gays, leftists, and third world hordes. Use it since it seems you hold many of the same positions as them. Its really a shame though, you seem smart.

Meaning anyone with a low IQ can even see that ScottSA is ethnocentric.

I think you want: "Meaning even those with a low IQ can see that ScottSA is ethnocentric."

Otherwise you're saying any and every person with a low IQ is capable of seeing Scott's apparent condition. Unless that's is what you did mean to say...then don't let me stop you.

Its the same thing, and stop flaming DogOnPorch. If you want to correct my english mistakes, send me a PM. However since your only intention here is to be infantile, I simply won't bother.

[DogOnPorch]

Its the same thing, and stop flaming DogOnPorch. If you want to correct my english mistakes, send me a PM. However since your only intention here is to be infantile, I simply won't bother.

Who's flaming me? You'd need a coma if this is an order/command. Such as: "It's the same thing. Stop flaming me, DogOnPorch." Run on sentance, as well....but, I'm just pulling your chain...Buddy.

Mostly because you think whites are superior to other people right? I gave you a link in another thread to a group which will help you defend against the feminists, gays, leftists, and third world hordes. Use it since it seems you hold many of the same positions as them. Its really a shame though, you seem smart.

I believe ScottSA is pro-Western Civilization like I am. Though I've seen folks try to turn this into a racist thing, I still believe we have the best system in the World. Rights for women being something almost unheard of outside the West. Ask your wife...if you're married...if she wants to live in a place where women are 2nd class citizens.

Have a nice day.

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[Canadian Blue]

Who's flaming me? You'd need a coma if this is an order/command. Such as: "It's the same thing. Stop flaming me, DogOnPorch." Run on sentance, as well....but, I'm just pulling your chain...Buddy.

What's a sentance?

I'm guessing you'll continue doing your little show of insolence. Especially considering the tiff you had on another thread when you were asked to present more information.

I believe ScottSA is pro-Western Civilization like I am. Though I've seen folks try to turn this into a racist thing, I still believe we have the best system in the World. Rights for women being something almost unheard of outside the West. Ask your wife...if you're married...if she wants to live in a place where women are 2nd class citizens.

So then you also harbor a fear of feminists, liberals, leftists, Muslims, Hindus, and the like. The reason being they all want to destroy our civilization to create a Marxist government intent on destroying western values.

DogOnPorch your one of a kind, first you talk about the great success of bombing civilians during World War 2 from 1942-1943, and now you're talking about how somebody is "Pro-Western Civilization" if they exhibit a fear of people who have viewpoints on the left side of the political spectrum. Most people can recognize ScottSA's bigotry from a mile away, the sad part is that some people think its all in defense of "Western Civilization."

[ScottSA]

Mostly because you think whites are superior to other people right? I gave you a link in another thread to a group which will help you defend against the feminists, gays, leftists, and third world hordes. Use it since it seems you hold many of the same positions as them. Its really a shame though, you seem smart.

I have half a mind to report you for slander and perpetual strawmanism, but I'm sure figleaf will do it for me. Besides, you obviously suffer from an inability to think straight, and it's equally obvious that you have some sort of fag stalking thing going on. But I'm not really interested, thanks anyway.

[Canadian Blue]

I have half a mind to report you for slander and perpetual strawmanism, but I'm sure figleaf will do it for me. Besides, you obviously suffer from an inability to think straight, and it's equally obvious that you have some sort of fag stalking thing going on. But I'm not really interested, thanks anyway.

Doesn't this guy sound like a poster we had on here before.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showuser=3251

Why thanks Kimmy. I will try to add insight, and keep the politically correct types on their pink and red toes. But in seriousiness, I can only add my biases to a thread like this one. Of course, a thread like this will only invite people like myself to graviatate toward an anti muslim biase. The West is at war with Islam, and for better or worse people have to realize this. They are the enemy, they wish to destroy us. And there is no doubt in my mind, that eventually Shite Persia will have to be destroyed, or we will risk nuclear war.

Little House on the Praire represents nothing more than the same old brain washing that the Canadian public has heard for the last umm.....30 + years, about multiculturalism and religiously and racial tolerance from those in the civil service and the left overs from the socialist liberal days. I for one am sick of it. And I want English Canada back to what it was before we opened the gates to the 3rd World hordes.

Now, as for Gun Control and the fight against Gun Controllers, I am more schooled in the legislation of Canada in Bills C-51, C-17, C-10A and C-68. I would probably be able to contribute more, because I know alot of the subject, being a firearms owner and range officer.

PROUD TO BE A REFORMER, BUY A GUN AND PO A LIBERAL!

[ScottSA]

I have half a mind to report you for slander and perpetual strawmanism, but I'm sure figleaf will do it for me. Besides, you obviously suffer from an inability to think straight, and it's equally obvious that you have some sort of fag stalking thing going on. But I'm not really interested, thanks anyway.

Doesn't this guy sound like a poster we had on here before.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showuser=3251

Why thanks Kimmy. I will try to add insight, and keep the politically correct types on their pink and red toes. But in seriousiness, I can only add my biases to a thread like this one. Of course, a thread like this will only invite people like myself to graviatate toward an anti muslim biase. The West is at war with Islam, and for better or worse people have to realize this. They are the enemy, they wish to destroy us. And there is no doubt in my mind, that eventually Shite Persia will have to be destroyed, or we will risk nuclear war.

Little House on the Praire represents nothing more than the same old brain washing that the Canadian public has heard for the last umm.....30 + years, about multiculturalism and religiously and racial tolerance from those in the civil service and the left overs from the socialist liberal days. I for one am sick of it. And I want English Canada back to what it was before we opened the gates to the 3rd World hordes.

Now, as for Gun Control and the fight against Gun Controllers, I am more schooled in the legislation of Canada in Bills C-51, C-17, C-10A and C-68. I would probably be able to contribute more, because I know alot of the subject, being a firearms owner and range officer.

PROUD TO BE A REFORMER, BUY A GUN AND PO A LIBERAL!

Sorry, not me. Can you please stalk someone else?

[GostHacked]

Well, if these funerals are done in a remote location, then I see no problem. If the population in the area, really has no offence to it, then no problem. I doubt they would be able to make the open air burnings as big as the ones in India. Different country, different social/economy/religion *for the most part)/environment. If Britian allows it, and if others than Hindu's are oppossed to it, then you can see some backlash for the Hindu community.

If people are worried about a open air burn funeral in terms of pollution and breathing in that stuff. Take a walk down a busy street in the day time. How much pollution you breath in on a daily basis would put this issue way in the back burner. Vehicles, industry, even your home and your garbage you produce has a bigger effect on the environment than some people wanting to burn their dead relatives. Never mind that gas leak from my car in the driveway, nothing to see here. Sure things would have to be done different in Britian. Sanctioned places for it. Proper disposal of the body if the cremation was not effective in completely destroying the body. I am sure there will be compromised between the government and the Hindus.

So just some common sense needs to be applied to the funeral rites, some rules to follow to make all parties involved happy. I can bet you this forum that if they get the chance in Britian to do this, they will not be even close to the scale they do it in India.