Jerry Galinda Posted April 7, 2007 Report Posted April 7, 2007 Don't forget about Russians nazi - e.g. Waffen-Sturm-Brigade RONA.- Russian National Liberation Army ! Quote
Jerry Galinda Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 don't forget about SS-mountain division "Handschar", consisted of Balkan folksdojcers and Muslims of Bosnia and Herzegovina Quote
Guthrie Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_Nat...Socialist_Party The Bulgarian National Socialist Party (Bulgarian language:Българска Национал Социалистическа Работническа Партия) was a nazi party based in the Bulgarian Kingdom.The party was established by Doctor Hristo Kunchev in the beginig of the 1930's. The programme was entirely the same as NSDAP. The membership was small. They used to have a newspaper called "Attack!", similar to "Der Angriff" of Goebbels. ... Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Guthrie Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0859885.html Nazism in Other Countries In the period of German expansion the Nazis found many adherents outside Germany. In Austria the inclusion in the government of Nazi leader Seyss-Inquart speeded Austrian annexation, and in Czechoslovakia the Sudete German party (see Sudetes) aided the absorption of that country by Germany. The party of Jacques Doriot in France, the Rexists in Belgium, the Iron Guard in Romania, the Hungarian National Socialists, the Croatian Ustachi, and the German-American Bund in the United States were all affiliated to some extent with the Nazis. ... Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Guthrie Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...5/wtaiwan15.xml Taiwan students form Nazi party By Richard Spencer in Beijing Last Updated: 1:28am GMT 15/03/2007 A group of students from Taiwan has caused uproar by founding an avowedly Nazi organisation and boasting that it is inspired by Adolf Hitler. The National Socialism Association was set up by Lahn Chao, a master's student from the National Chengchi University in the capital, Taipei, and 19 others. Its website is a call to arms to rejuvenate the island's politics, end democracy and retake mainland China for the nationalist cause, and bears a symbol in black, red and white loosely based on the swastika flag. ... Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
ScottSA Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 Ummm, woody, I see we've moved on from the claim that there were more American and Canadian Nazis than German, and are grasping at all sorts of straws. I think you'll find that virtually all of the parties you're touting are either set up by the Germans in occupied territory or fostered by the Germans during the war. Some are just fascist parties or even wannabe fascist parties. I'm not sure what you mean to prove by introducing 19 students in Taiwan setting up what amounts to a club in their spare time, but whatever turns you on... Quote
Canadian Blue Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 I highly doubt a tiny Nazi Party in Tiawan can compare to Nazi Germany. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Rue Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 Hold on to your hats, but as I've stated before, perhaps actually having the will to win has been the only difference between us and the bad guys so far - the dems can't wait to lose a "Bush War" - but maybe now we're on the path to victory... Gosh and I thought it was more complicated then that. Silly me. Good to know the war will be over in a few days. Imagine me thinking the surge was just pouring oil on fire. Quote
Guthrie Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 I highly doubt a tiny Nazi Party in Tiawan can compare to Nazi Germany. and yet you are more than willing to believe the biggest crock of shit about a tiny Salafi Party Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Jerry Galinda Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 National Socialist German Workers' Party in 1944 had 8.5 million members. Try to prove your statement that – “There have been more Canadian and American Nazi's than there were German Nazi's ---“ Of course – you don’t see differences between - fascism ; nazism ; nationalism and – you don’t know what does it mean . That’s why – you don’t know – why - e.g. Russians were a member of - Waffen-Sturm-Brigade RONA.- Russian National Liberation Army or ROA (Русская Освободительная Армия, ; Bosnians were a member of SS-mountain division "Handschar" and so on. “Brazilian, Chilean, Spanish, Polish, Serbian, Turk, Italian ... even French Nazi's –“ – prove your statement – lack of some nationalities. Especially lack of members in this “big” parties. Quote
Guthrie Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 from the same Wikipedia article, Jerry By 1945 the Nazi Party and the Nazi state were no longer capable of separation. When the German armies surrendered to the Allies in May 1945 and the German state ceased to exist, the Nazi Party, despite its 8.5 million nominal members and its nationwide organisational structure, also ceased to exist.... but the party nevertheless had an active membership of at least a million, including virtually all the holders of senior positions in the national government. ... so your 8.5 million number is not a reflection of the true case - and I suspect you knew this ******************************************************************************** * is this, then, an effort to claim I would be wrong to use, 'fascist,' interchangeably with, 'Nazi?' --- you want to now say that all the pro-nazi political and paramilitary nazi groups like the German-American Bund, Aryan Nation, Am Nazi Party, Heritage Front, Nationalist Party of Canada, The Order, White Aryan Resistance et al -- are you trying to say they can't be counted as Nazis??? ... you don’t see differences between - fascism ; nazism ; nationalism and... Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
ScottSA Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 from the same Wikipedia article, JerryBy 1945 the Nazi Party and the Nazi state were no longer capable of separation. When the German armies surrendered to the Allies in May 1945 and the German state ceased to exist, the Nazi Party, despite its 8.5 million nominal members and its nationwide organisational structure, also ceased to exist. Oops. Here's Woody making an ass of himself, again. He embarks on an argument claiming that the Nazi party is not a German party, then blows a hole in his hull with the side announcement that Nazis abound in Canada and America, and continues to sail along through a number of broadsides until he runs aground on google. Seeing a chance to salvage something...anything...of his shredded dignity, he hoists an article showing that there weren't that many German Nazis after the allies got finished with them after all, but finds that he has also hoisted himself and his original argument on his own petard. Good job Woody. Say after me: "By 1945 the Nazi Party and the Nazi state were no longer capable of separation. When the German armies surrendered to the Allies in May 1945 and the German state ceased to exist, the Nazi Party, despite its 8.5 million nominal members and its nationwide organisational structure, also ceased to exist." That seems to suggest that the Nazi party has just a hint of German ownership, what do you think? Quote
Jerry Galinda Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 As to The Bulgarian National Socialist Party - "The membership was small. " It was a political folklore . Don't to be ridiculous ! Quote
Jerry Galinda Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 "paramilitary nazi groups like the German-American Bund, Aryan Nation, Am Nazi Party, Heritage Front, Nationalist Party of Canada, The Order, White Aryan Resistance " NAZI GROUPS !!!!!!!!!!!!!! The same - a kind of political folklore. As to The Bulgarian National Socialist Party - "The membership was small. " It was a political folklore . Don't to be ridiculous ! Of course – you don’t see differences between - fascism ; nazism ; nationalism and – you don’t know what does it mean . That’s why – you don’t know – why - e.g. Russians were a member of - Waffen-Sturm-Brigade RONA.- Russian National Liberation Army or ROA (Русская Освободительная Армия, ; Bosnians were a member of SS-mountain division "Handschar" and so on. “Brazilian, Chilean, Spanish, Polish, Serbian, Turk, Italian ... even French Nazi's –“ – prove your statement – lack of some nationalities. Especially lack of memberships of this “big” parties. You use, 'fascist,' interchangeably with, 'Nazi” because you wrote about “Spanish, ………. Italian ... ……… Nazi's. It is a proof that you don’t know what does it mean- fascism ; nazism and nationalism. May be you should go to primary school ? Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 apparently I am more educated than you guys all you guys seem to have is insults -- I don't know who is going to be impressed but you have offered no factual response it is my experience, when someone needs to claim some advanced knowledge of a subject, as saying, "I have a degree in..." They are doing so because they cannot answer a simple argument with facts. Woody rarely offers facts......when confronted with facts, woody offers his back Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Guthrie Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 so, is this your guys territory of expertise? nit-picking between Nazis??? ... there's a surprise ... Well, that's fine for keeping you miscreants out of the street but it only highlights your hypocrisy. You'll debate whether Bulgarian Nazi's were really Nazi's but any and all Muslims you see or hear about are labled, 'extremist,' and then, 'terrorist.' you guys are pathetic Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Catchme Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 Back on topic. The troop surge is not working. At best it has now made an armed stand off possible for awhile. What Will the Blowback from Iraq Look Like in the Decades to Come?What will the blowback from Iraq look like in the future? A new report from the Congressional Research Service gives us some idea of the depths of despair that many in Iraq are experiencing. From Secrecy News, a project of the Federation of American Scientists: "The humanitarian crisis many feared would take place in March 2003 as a result of the war in Iraq appears to be unfolding," says a new report (pdf) from the Congressional Research Service. "It is estimated that in total (including those displaced prior to the war) there may be two million Iraqi refugees who have fled to Jordan, Syria, and other neighboring states, and approximately two million Iraqis who have been displaced within Iraq itself." See "Iraqi Refugees and Internally Displaced Persons: A Deepening Humanitarian Crisis?," (pdf) March 23, 2007. Another Congressional Research Service report provides a detailed examination of the pending defense supplemental appropriations bills, which include congressional direction on redeployment or withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. See "FY2007 Supplemental Appropriations for Defense, Foreign Affairs, and Other Purposes" (pdf), updated March 28, 2007. We will be paying compounding costs for Iraq a long time. It's too bad we can't figure out a way to make President Bush and his Rasputinesque Vice President Dick Cheney bear the burden and consequences of this for all time. The fact is that others will have to clean up this terrible situation, and all of us will pay for it. Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
M.Dancer Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 There have been more Canadian and American Nazi's than there were German Nazi's --- The general membership of the Nazi Party, known as the Parteimitglieder, mainly consisted of the urban and rural lower middle classes. 7% belonged to the upper class, another 7% were peasants, 35% were industrial workers and 51% were what can be described as middle class. The largest occupational group were medical doctors.When it came to power in 1933 the Nazi Party had over 2 million members. Once in power, it attracted many more members and by the time of its dissolution it had 8.5 million members. Many of these were nominal members who joined for careerist reasons, but the party nevertheless had an active membership of at least a million, including virtually all the holders of senior positions in the national government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party So there you have your base line ..1 to 2 million members. All you have to do now is somehow with lookinjg like aq blow hard is back up your absurd claim that there have been more than 1 million American and Canadian Nazi Party members. Good Luck Are you planning to offer at any point in the future, verifiable facts to back up you wild assertations? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Guthrie Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 Back on topic.The troop surge is not working. At best it has now made an armed stand off possible for awhile. What Will the Blowback from Iraq Look Like in the Decades to Come?What will the blowback from Iraq look like in the future? A new report from the Congressional Research Service gives us some idea of the depths of despair that many in Iraq are experiencing. From Secrecy News, a project of the Federation of American Scientists: "The humanitarian crisis many feared would take place in March 2003 as a result of the war in Iraq appears to be unfolding," says a new report (pdf) from the Congressional Research Service. "It is estimated that in total (including those displaced prior to the war) there may be two million Iraqi refugees who have fled to Jordan, Syria, and other neighboring states, and approximately two million Iraqis who have been displaced within Iraq itself." See "Iraqi Refugees and Internally Displaced Persons: A Deepening Humanitarian Crisis?," (pdf) March 23, 2007. Another Congressional Research Service report provides a detailed examination of the pending defense supplemental appropriations bills, which include congressional direction on redeployment or withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. See "FY2007 Supplemental Appropriations for Defense, Foreign Affairs, and Other Purposes" (pdf), updated March 28, 2007. We will be paying compounding costs for Iraq a long time. It's too bad we can't figure out a way to make President Bush and his Rasputinesque Vice President Dick Cheney bear the burden and consequences of this for all time. The fact is that others will have to clean up this terrible situation, and all of us will pay for it. Bagdad is not safe enough for John McCain to get away with a market stroll photo op -- The surge only adds a frame to the horrendously ugly picture that is the occupation of Iraq Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Guthrie Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 There have been more Canadian and American Nazi's than there were German Nazi's --- The general membership of the Nazi Party, known as the Parteimitglieder, mainly consisted of the urban and rural lower middle classes. 7% belonged to the upper class, another 7% were peasants, 35% were industrial workers and 51% were what can be described as middle class. The largest occupational group were medical doctors.When it came to power in 1933 the Nazi Party had over 2 million members. Once in power, it attracted many more members and by the time of its dissolution it had 8.5 million members. Many of these were nominal members who joined for careerist reasons, but the party nevertheless had an active membership of at least a million, including virtually all the holders of senior positions in the national government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party So there you have your base line ..1 to 2 million members. All you have to do now is somehow with lookinjg like aq blow hard is back up your absurd claim that there have been more than 1 million American and Canadian Nazi Party members. Good Luck Are you planning to offer at any point in the future, verifiable facts to back up you wild assertations? I'm going to give you guys one last chance to learn something. Here it is: American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source Na·zi (nät'sē, nāt'-) Pronunciation Key n. pl. Na·zis ... 2. often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Nazi Now let's see if you little hitler youth can actually grow up a little. Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
Jerry Galinda Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 your next „inteligent” request “Bulgarian Nazi's” should be looking for – archeologist – because they disappeared without any visible achievements. Quote
Guthrie Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 your next „inteligent” request “Bulgarian Nazi's” should be looking for – archeologist – because they disappeared without any visible achievements. maybe you should scrub a little of the whitewash away ...In early March 1941, Bulgaria joined the Axis alliance and, in April 1941, participated in the German-led attack on Yugoslavia and Greece. In return, Bulgaria received most of Thrace from Greece, and Macedonia as well as parts of eastern Serbia from Yugoslavia. Though Bulgaria participated in the Balkan Campaign, it refused to enter the war against the Soviet Union in June 1941. PERSECUTION OF JEWS IN BULGARIA Beginning in July 1940, Bulgaria instituted anti-Jewish legislation. Jews were excluded from public service, discriminated against in their choice of places of residence, and restricted economically. Marriage between Jews and non-Jews was prohibited. ... Link Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
M.Dancer Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 Are you planning to offer at any point in the future, verifiable facts to back up you wild assertations? I'm going to give you guys one last chance to learn something. Here it is: American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source Na·zi (nät'sē, nāt'-) Pronunciation Key n. pl. Na·zis ... 2. often nazi An adherent or advocate of policies characteristic of Nazism; a fascist. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Nazi Now let's see if you little hitler youth can actually grow up a little. Your flaccid insults aside....You gave a (I can see you wish you hadn't) ridiculous statement. I did half the work. I gave you a NUMBER...In 1933 The NAZIs had over two milion members....know stoip being such am idiotic pussy. Either stand by your whack job assertions and find a number that supports your hyperbolic bullshit or admit that you often speak without thinking..... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Guthrie Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 ...Your flaccid insults aside....You gave a (I can see you wish you hadn't) ridiculous statement. I did half the work. I gave you a NUMBER...In 1933 The NAZIs had over two milion members....know stoip being such am idiotic pussy. Either stand by your whack job assertions and find a number that supports your hyperbolic bullshit or admit that you often speak without thinking..... You have not a clue what I've said nor have you taken the opportunity to actually learn something --- this, I judge by your little fit here -- YOU not just often but almost exclusively post without thinking. I am sorry of nothing I have posted on this matter as I have posted the truth. Nor will you hatefilled racists get any slack from me. Peddle your lies about Muslims elsewhere - they are no better than their counterpart lies about Jews your counterparts peddled in the 30's Quote “Most middle-class whites have no idea what it feels like to be subjected to police who are routinely suspicious, rude, belligerent, and brutal” - Benjamin Spock MD
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