Moderate Muslim group receives death threats

[kimmy]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/03/23/...ims-threat.html

The death threat was addressed to Muslim Canadian Congress president Farzana Hassan and founder Tarek Fatah.

"I swear on 99 names of Allah, if you don't cease from your campaign of smearing Islam … I will slaughter you," the message said.

CBC's version of the message is editted. The actual message:

http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/

"This is a warning to Tarek Fatah and Farzana Hassan and to all the members of your Munafiq (Apostate) organization. Wa Allah al-Azeem (In the name of God who is great), I swear… on all 99 names of Allah, if you do not cease from your campaign of smearing Islam...Wa Allahi, Wa Allahi, Wa Allahi, (by God, by God, by God), I will slaughter all of you."

"Apostate" is a particularly serious charge; it means to abandon Islam, which is punishable by death in the views of fundamentalists.

Good for the Muslim group for speaking out against this, and to the other groups for joining in condemning it. The knuckleheads, and there can't be a lot of them, need to be told they're in the wrong... and they need to hear it from their own community.

-k

[Charles Anthony]

Even though this thread is more aptly titled and opened, this same affair is first introduced in the ambiguously titled Separation of Church and State thread.

[betsy]

Good for the Muslim group for speaking out against this, and to the other groups for joining in condemning it. The knuckleheads, and there can't be a lot of them, need to be told they're in the wrong... and they need to hear it from their own community.

-k

They need to be identified and shipped back where they came from or investigated and tried. With this kind of attitude (knowing how we are fighting for democracy...to the point of being at war...and how we, as Canadians, fight for equality)...they have no place in our society! These knuckleheads are terrorists!

[betsy]

I'm asking, did this incident receive a big commotion in the media?

How about the feminist group? Violence Against Women groups?

Minority Rights group?

Did anyone from these groups jumped in and expressed outrage....demanding inquiries....and solutions...etc.,

There seem to be an ominous silence....I don't know. Maybe I'm just missing the channel or the broadcast or the papers or the talk shows.

Usually, if a man makes a threat towards his wife....or a group of women...usually these groups are immediately banging on the goverment's door, demanding castration! And you never hear the end of it in the media.

[jdobbin]

I'm asking, did this incident receive a big commotion in the media?

It has been one of the lead stories. You can check it out on CBC and CTV.

[Borg]

Is there a way to blame Bush and Blair for this?

Borg

[arif]

This is sad.

I will say one thing. I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment of Betsy. I would submit that someone who is not a Canadian citizen, and who is found guilty of hate speech or hate crime ought to be deported immediately. But A Canadian citizen cannot be deported but must be dealt with under Canadian law with our nation taking responsibility for holding the person accountable. Thus ethnicity or religious background doesn not imply that deportation is the correct action.The FLQ terrorists could not be deported to France for example.

We face an impediment also to deporting someone who faces a risk of torture, this a covenant of our nation pledged with the nations ratifying the International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights. Lawmakers and law enforcement should show no hesitation in applying the law and providing security save when there is violation of civil rights and due process. Would that the rule of law was always satisfying, but if it were it would likely lead to injustice.

I encourage all Canadians to uphold vigorously the rule of law and standard of conduct in civil society, where religion is separate from state. Do not show accomodation to hateful action and speech and be proud of the accomplishments of Canadian civil institutions of liberty and tolerance, therefore do not tolerate intolerance. Remember the accomplishments of Rosemary Brown, Tommy Douglas, MLK, Rosa Parks and a great many others that define the best of our culture. Muslims should recall the freedom of thought and conscience of the golden age of Islam that predated the Renaissance and Enlightenment and influenced them, the work of Nasr din Tusi, Avicenna, the Ikwan as-Safa, remember Rabia. Remember Ibn Gabirol and who tought him, and who learned from him.

The Enlightenment, the rational and humanistic foundation of civil institutions and modern democracy, and enlightenment, that spiritual depth of insight are what shall survive the current confusion of the world, give no heed to the blind and protect enlightenment by living thusly.

We have encountered supremacists bent on violence before, such as the KKK. Their religious attachments are as obscene as the speaking of God's names in this quoted threat. The important thing to remember is also how easily all religions are given to hypocritical manipulations, indoctrination and cult-like behaviour. We rightly recoil with disgust.

One has little control over what others do, only one's own behaviour, to which alone one is accountable to God. Yet, hope for something to improve does not seem to affect anything. Fear is what is desired by the threat. The only thing for me to do is hold steadfast to ethics, rationality, faith and the spirit of who we are as a people.

I've said more than I meant to, most of it pointless.

be well

arif

[ScottSA]

Arif: I agree to some extent with your sentiments. Until you got into the game of moral equivalency. Contrasting a fringe group like the KKK to the current global export of Wahabbism simply doesn't wash. The KKK doesn't go on a killing and rioting spree across the globe whenever a cartoon of the Grand Poobah appears. The KKK no longer slaughters the creators of films pointing out the ills of KKKdom. The KKK doesn't rule over entire regions of the globe or fly airplanes into buildings or intentionally and indiscriminantly kill civilians.

Nor do western countries knowingly support the growth of the KKK in foreign countries, as Suadi Arabia does here through CAIR, CAIR-CAN and a takeover of formerly moderate mosques. Islam was never much of a religion of peace, but Wahabbism doesn't even pretend to be. And moderate Islam is shrinking while Wahabbism is growing. Particularly in the west.

If Wahabbism confined itself to donning bedsheets and burning crescents and committing other idiocies in the night, you could draw some parallel there I spose.

[betsy]

So what happens to this topic?

How come no more mention of it after it's 15 minutes of glory in the air?

How come it seemed to have gone PFFFFT in the media?

Where's the women's group? The minority rights group?

Is the media scared of getting threatened?

The Liberal media does not want to show what some of us are saying....that there are terrorists among us here in Canada?

I don't think there's even ANYONE calling for an inquiry! Or at least, getting to the bottom of this.

Gee, referring to Stronach as a dog (by an irate ex-lover) got WEEKS OF OUTRAGE! I guess Muslim women are just that....nothing! The staunch supporters of women, the Opposition Party who should be raising hell about this is suddenly.....mum.

Maybe if the Muslim women are called dogs instead of being threatened with violence, maybe that's when the Opposition and the NDP will react.

[Borg]

So what happens to this topic?

How come no more mention of it after it's 15 minutes of glory in the air?

How come it seemed to have gone PFFFFT in the media?

Where's the women's group? The minority rights group?

Is the media scared of getting threatened?

The Liberal media does not want to show what some of us are saying....that there are terrorists among us here in Canada?

I don't think there's even ANYONE calling for an inquiry! Or at least, getting to the bottom of this.

Gee, referring to Stronach as a dog got WEEKS OF OUTRAGE! I guess Muslim women are just that....nothing! The staunch supporters of women, the Opposition Party who should be raising hell about this is suddenly.....mum.

Maybe if the Muslim women are called dogs instead of being threatened with violence, maybe that's when the Opposition and the NDP will react.

Relax - muslims have been killing muslims fore centuries over real and imagined insults.

As for terrorists in Canada - well are you sure? Or are you simply being racist? There are no terrorists, there have been no terrorists and there will never be terrorists in this country.

Our multicultural system invites these folks in and welcomes their differences. Any killings or mistreatment within the race is obviously allowed as a cultural necessity. As immigrants there is no "I only have to follow half of the laws program" - yet excuses will be made using culture as the reason - so let them threaten and let them kill - it will save court costs from my tax dollars.

Lets see - Women's groups - I think the Feds cut off their funding so most women went back to being women and holding jobs or raising a family because the Fed gravy train disappeared.

Minority rights groups are not interested unless it affects THEIR minority. Other races do not matter - unless of course there is federal pork available - but I think that has been cut off - and rightly so..

Opposition and ndp? Now there is a joke - they are the people that srtarted this thing and even they see that this multi cultural schitt is doing nothing but causing rifts in people and/or ghettos in the cities.

A real good test of the value of the problem is how wound up those affected are.

So - to answer your question - in all reality - no one gives a shit. And in all probability neither do the muslims - or they would be upset about it.

See what Canada is becoming?

So get used to it - it will get worse and it will someday affect you. But it is too late. Because you and people like you allowed it to happen and then said - "Where is the government and why is it doing nothing?"

For the answer all you had to do was look in the mirror.

Stick your head back in the sand please - you and yours have been judged by Canada of today and the society you wanted but lost through doing nothing - and found wanting.

Borg

[betsy]

As for terrorists in Canada - well are you sure? Or are you simply being racist? There are no terrorists, there have been no terrorists and there will never be terrorists in this country.

Borg

Is that the liberal mind speaking....or are you being sarcastic?

Our multicultural system invites these folks in and welcomes their differences. Any killings or mistreatment within the race is obviously allowed as a cultural necessity. As immigrants there is no "I only have to follow half of the laws program" - yet excuses will be made using culture as the reason - so let them threaten and let them kill - it will save court costs from my tax dollars.

Lets see - Women's groups - I think the Feds cut off their funding so most women went back to being women and holding jobs or raising a family because the Fed gravy train disappeared.

Minority rights groups are not interested unless it affects THEIR minority. Other races do not matter - unless of course there is federal pork available - but I think that has been cut off - and rightly so..

Borg

Or they pick and choose what cause or plight deserves their attention.

Opposition and ndp? Now there is a joke -

Borg

They are! And to think that both parrties are trying to outdo one another to be seen as the champion of women! Both would make you believe that the Conservatives are going to take the country back to the cavemen days.....

Hello? They're talking about slaughter of women here, today! They suddenly turned deaf!

So - to answer your question - in all reality - no one gives a shit. And in all probability neither do the muslims - or they would be upset about it.

See what Canada is becoming?

So get used to it - it will get worse and it will someday affect you. But it is too late. Because you and people like you allowed it to happen and then said - "Where is the government and why is it doing nothing?"

For the answer all you had to do was look in the mirror.

Stick your head back in the sand please - you and yours have been judged by Canada of today and the society you wanted but lost through doing nothing - and found wanting.

Borg

I think you're mistaking me for someone else. Actually, I'm one of the few "racists" here who've been yelling that multiculturalism is not the way to go!

[Borg]

I think you're mistaking me for someone else. Actually, I'm one of the few "racists" here who've been yelling that multiculturalism is not the way to go!

Then I will do something I do not often do - I apologize.

However, there are so many on here who figure it is the way to heaven I actually had to sit back and catch my breathe when you said that!

Oh, as for the initial remark - I was being sarcastic - through and through. Liberal? Now that I have said that word I will have to go and wash my mouth with soap.

Borg