Inhofe calls the goracles hand

[ScottSA]

Actually, Gore came off as the expert he is

:lol: So speaks the resident intellectual.

[Guthrie]

Even Polynewbie has a few "scientists" who back up his crazy claims.

Yeah i guess these aren't scientists.

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60 climate scientists’ letter to the Canadian Prime Minister

6 April 2006

* Sixty eminent scientists in climate and related fields disagree strongly with the “consensus” which Gore and other supporters of the UN say is unanimous. This is the text of the strongly-worded letter which they wrote to the Canadian Prime Minister on 6 April 2006.

AN OPEN LETTER TO PRIME MINISTER STEPHEN HARPER

cc. Hon. Rona Ambrose, Minister of the Environment; Hon. Gary Lunn, Minister of Natural Resources

“Dear Prime Minister, - As accredited experts in climate and related scientific disciplines, we are writing to propose that balanced, comprehensive public-consultation sessions be held so as to examine the scientific foundation of the federal government's climate-change plans. This would be entirely consistent with your recent commitment to conduct a review of the Kyoto Protocol. Although many of us made the same suggestion to then-prime ministers Martin and Chretien, neither responded, and, to date, no formal, independent climate-science review has been conducted in Canada. Much of the billions of dollars earmarked for implementation of the protocol in Canada will be squandered without a proper assessment of recent developments in climate science.

“Observational evidence does not support today's computer climate models, so there is little reason to trust model predictions of the future. Yet this is precisely what the United Nations did in creating and promoting Kyoto and still does in the alarmist forecasts on which Canada's climate policies are based. Even if the climate models were realistic, the environmental impact of Canada delaying implementation of Kyoto or other greenhouse-gas reduction schemes, pending completion of consultations, would be insignificant. Directing your government to convene balanced, open hearings as soon as possible would be a most prudent and responsible course of action.

“While the confident pronouncements of scientifically unqualified environmental groups may provide for sensational headlines, they are no basis for mature policy formulation. The study of global climate change is, as you have said, an "emerging science," one that is perhaps the most complex ever tackled. It may be many years yet before we properly understand the Earth's climate system. Nevertheless, significant advances have been made since the protocol was created, many of which are taking us away from a concern about increasing greenhouse gases. If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded it was not necessary.

“We appreciate the difficulty any government has formulating sensible science-based policy when the loudest voices always seem to be pushing in the opposite direction. However, by convening open, unbiased consultations, Canadians will be permitted to hear from experts on both sides of the debate in the climate-science community. When the public comes to understand that there is no "consensus" among climate scientists about the relative importance of the various causes of global climate change, the government will be in a far better position to develop plans that reflect reality and so benefit both the environment and the economy.

“‘Climate change is real’ is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified. Global climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural ‘noise.’ The new Canadian government's commitment to reducing air, land and water pollution is commendable, but allocating funds to ‘stopping climate change’ would be irrational. We need to continue intensive research into the real causes of climate change and help our most vulnerable citizens adapt to whatever nature throws at us next.

“We believe the Canadian public and government decision-makers need and deserve to hear the whole story concerning this very complex issue. It was only 30 years ago that many of today's global-warming alarmists were telling us that the world was in the midst of a global-cooling catastrophe. But the science continued to evolve, and still does, even though so many choose to ignore it when it does not fit with predetermined political agendas. We hope that you will examine our proposal carefully and we stand willing and able to furnish you with more information on this crucially important topic.”

Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa

Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans, former director of Australia's National Tidal Facility and professor of earth sciences, Flinders University, Adelaide; currently adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa

Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Ottawa

Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science and associate professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa

Dr. Madhav Khandekar, former research scientist, Environment Canada. Member of editorial board of Climate Research and Natural Hazards

Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont.

Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Ont.

Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg; environmental consultant

Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology

Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), FRMS, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa

Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.

Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta

Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.

Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics, University of Victoria

Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax

Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K.

Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta

Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and Sioux Lookout, Ontario.

Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C.

Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary.

Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ontario.

Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The University of Auckland, N.Z.

Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.

Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists

Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia

Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia

Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head National Climate Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology; former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology, Scientific and Technical Review

Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute

Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand

Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences, University of Virginia

Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics & geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden

Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif.

Dr. Roy W. Spencer, principal research scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville

Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minn.

Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS

Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group II, chapter 8 (human health)

Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland

Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, U.K.; editor, Energy & Environment

Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations) and an economist who has focused on climate change

Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey

Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway

Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand

Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington, N.Z.

Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of Connecticut

Dr. Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John Moores University, U.K.

Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K.

Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member, United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000

Dr. S. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences, University of Virginia; former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service

Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and isotope geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences; past president of the Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society

Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey professor of energy conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University

Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass.

Douglas Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of the book The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland

Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific climate and carbon modeller, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany

Dr. Boris Winterhalter, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland

Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden

Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant.

Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Ore.

Dr. Arthur Rorsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands organization for applied research (TNO) in environmental, food and public health

Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international economist

Dr. Richard S. Courtney, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.

your list of names here is meaningless --- some number of them don't defend what you say they defend

some others of them are not who you pretend them to be

[sunsettommy]

This thread devolved into mudslinging.

Was it Yellow mud that caused it?

[Guthrie]

Denver Post

...

Kerry asked what Gingrich would say to Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., who calls global warming a hoax.

"My message, I think, is that the evidence is sufficient that we should move toward the most effective possible steps to reduce carbon loading in the atmosphere," Gingrich replied.

...

[sunsettommy]

Denver Post

...

Kerry asked what Gingrich would say to Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., who calls global warming a hoax.

"My message, I think, is that the evidence is sufficient that we should move toward the most effective possible steps to reduce carbon loading in the atmosphere," Gingrich replied.

...

That is called an opinion.

[Guthrie]

Denver Post

...

Kerry asked what Gingrich would say to Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., who calls global warming a hoax.

"My message, I think, is that the evidence is sufficient that we should move toward the most effective possible steps to reduce carbon loading in the atmosphere," Gingrich replied.

...

That is called an opinion.

Yes, an opinion that the facts are in.

and?

[sunsettommy]

Denver Post

...

Kerry asked what Gingrich would say to Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., who calls global warming a hoax.

"My message, I think, is that the evidence is sufficient that we should move toward the most effective possible steps to reduce carbon loading in the atmosphere," Gingrich replied.

...

That is called an opinion.

Yes, an opinion that the facts are in.

and?

Newt Gingrich message was an opinion.

Jim Inhofe calling global warming a hoak is an opinion.

Al Gore's gloom and doom presentation has been found to be lacking by a lot of scientists on BOTH sides of the debate.

Even James Hansen is getting nervous about Al Gore.

Anything else?

[Guthrie]

Unless you can back it up with some quotes; it's MY OPINION that piece about scientists finding Gore's presentation lacking, is false.

...

Even James Hansen is getting nervous about Al Gore.

Anything else?

that last part is a lie --- James Hansen spoke at my daughters commencement -- I had an opportunity to speak with him -- the only thing he worries about is the failures of the current administration

[bush_cheney2004]

that last part is a lie --- James Hansen spoke at my daughters commencement -- I had an opportunity to speak with him -- the only thing he worries about is the failures of the current administration

And the beat goes on.....sunsettommy is correct:

...At this point Hansen criticised Al Gore's presentation in An Inconvenient Truth of current greenhouse gas concentrations in comparison to paleo concentrations. Saying Gore was wrong to suggest the temperature change we are likely to experience from current concentrations is proportional to that seen in the paleoclimate. Those paleoclimate changes were predominately driven by ice cover, which as long as Greenland and Antarctica stay roughly the same size isn’t a major factor now and also aerosols which had scope to reduce their cooling contribution as climate changed from cold/dry=dusty to warm wet.

http://www.energybulletin.net/22996.html

[Guthrie]

that last part is a lie --- James Hansen spoke at my daughters commencement -- I had an opportunity to speak with him -- the only thing he worries about is the failures of the current administration

And the beat goes on.....

...At this point Hansen criticised Al Gore's presentation in An Inconvenient Truth of current greenhouse gas concentrations in comparison to paleo concentrations. Saying Gore was wrong to suggest the temperature change we are likely to experience from current concentrations is proportional to that seen in the paleoclimate. Those paleoclimate changes were predominately driven by ice cover, which as long as Greenland and Antarctica stay roughly the same size isn’t a major factor now and also aerosols which had scope to reduce their cooling contribution as climate changed from cold/dry=dusty to warm wet.

http://www.energybulletin.net/22996.html

Except your article is from last year and I have since talked to the guy and that crap is blown way out of proportion --- Hansen agrees with Gore's presentation and the predictions made - sorry if you guys can't deal with it

[bush_cheney2004]

Except I talked to the guy and that crap is blown way out of proportion --- Hansen agrees with Gore's presentation and the predictions made - sorry if you guys can't deal with it

You only talked to him in your dreams...you are a fraud, now proven to be demonstrably wrong (even in your dreams).

[Guthrie]

and even your own article offers this:

...Hansen suggested the following metrics to characterise climate change:

* Extermination of animal and plant species, specifically polar and alpine species and those suffering unsustainable migration rates.

* Ice sheet disintegration, leading to long term deviations from paleoclimate data and sea level rise.

* Regional changes including droughts and floods.

For the last 30 years temperatures have risen by 0.2°C per decade. Over northern hemisphere land areas a given isotherm is moving forward at a rate of 50km per decade. A study of 1,700 species found that in the last half of the 20th century the average migration rate forward was about 6km per decade, much slower than the rate the isotherms were moving.

Hansen suggested a 3°C warming from where we are now would result in a likely species extinction rate of 50%. 3°C was described as the business as usual scenario. The “Alternative” scenario with falling CO2 emissions and only 1°C temperature increase would result in a likely species extinction rate of 10%.

...

funny how you left that part out

[bush_cheney2004]

And the beat goes on.....from just last month....tsk...tsk:

Scientists have inconvenient news for Gore

Even a top adviser to Mr Gore, the environmental scientist James Hansen, admits the former vice-president's work may hold "imperfections" and "technical flaws".

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/03/13/1173722471286.html

[bush_cheney2004]

funny how you left that part out

I left nothing out....the link is for the complete citation. Give Hansen a phone call...I'm sure he remembers your little "talk". LOL!

[Guthrie]

here's what James Hansen really has to say on the matter

Link

...What can be done? The public is concerned about jobs, the economy, health care,

schools, crime, terrorism. The planet’s problems seem remote, stress on animal and plant

species, future sea level rise, even increasing climate extremes. There is a connection

among climate change, energy policies, and other public problems, yet it will not be easy

to achieve fundamental changes in the face of opposition by special interests.

The best hope for saving the planet, for preserving creation, rests with the younger

generation, I believe. They are the ones who will be most affected by climate change.

My advice to them is that it may be time to act up, not in a destructive way, but to

forcefully and effectively make their concerns known.

When a fossil fuel company refuses to become an energy company and bamboozles the

public with advertisements such as “you call CO2 pollution, we call it life”, it is time to

stop patronizing that company. When a politician accepts money from fossil fuel

interests and then describes global warming as “a great hoax”, it is time to draw attention

to that and help vote him out. When our government stands on the side of polluters in

court and connives with industries to continue pollution, characterizing it as a “clear

skies” policy, it is time to help draw attention to the truth. In this era of the internet and

instant global communication, young people may be capable of finding ways to galvanize

stewardship for our planet that has so far been lacking.

Finally, I emphasize that the changes needed do not require hardship or reduction in the

quality of life. Quite the contrary. They will result in a cleaner environment, healthier

air and cleaner water, good-paying jobs in high-tech industries in our own countries,

certainly better than mining coal, although coal may continue as one source of energy.

The only losers will be those special interests who do not adapt, who prefer to spread

misinformation and buy off politicians, to the detriment of life on Earth. We must be on

the lookout for them and point them out for what they are.

Of course, although I am a government employee, these are just my opinions as a private

citizen. They do not represent government policy. Thank you.

...

it's on page 4 and its the presentation which they used to create this - http://www.energybulletin.net/22996.html - pile of crap

[bush_cheney2004]

here's what James Hansen really has to say on the matter....

sunsettommy already gave us the insight on Hansen...but thanks anyway.

[B. Max]

They will result in a cleaner environment, healthier

air and cleaner water, good-paying jobs in high-tech industries in our own countries,

certainly better than mining coal, although coal may continue as one source of energy.

The only losers will be those special interests who do not adapt, who prefer to spread

misinformation and buy off politicians, to the detriment of life on Earth. We must be on

the lookout for them and point them out for what they are.

Of course, although I am a government employee, these are just my opinions as a private

citizen. They do not represent government policy. Thank you.

...

it's on page 4 and its the presentation which they used to create this - http://www.energybulletin.net/22996.html - pile of crap

Hanson and Gore are the one's who have been spreading misinformation. Neither one of them have ever produced anything of value but have sucked out of the public trough and now condemn those that keep the tough full. Hansen and his phony computer models are a prime example of why government needs to be down sized.

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.ph...ly-insensitive/

[sunsettommy]

that last part is a lie --- James Hansen spoke at my daughters commencement -- I had an opportunity to speak with him -- the only thing he worries about is the failures of the current administration

And the beat goes on.....

...At this point Hansen criticised Al Gore's presentation in An Inconvenient Truth of current greenhouse gas concentrations in comparison to paleo concentrations. Saying Gore was wrong to suggest the temperature change we are likely to experience from current concentrations is proportional to that seen in the paleoclimate. Those paleoclimate changes were predominately driven by ice cover, which as long as Greenland and Antarctica stay roughly the same size isn’t a major factor now and also aerosols which had scope to reduce their cooling contribution as climate changed from cold/dry=dusty to warm wet.

http://www.energybulletin.net/22996.html

Except your article is from last year and I have since talked to the guy and that crap is blown way out of proportion --- Hansen agrees with Gore's presentation and the predictions made - sorry if you guys can't deal with it

You are desperate.

Al Gore still stands by his Inconvenient truth presentation.

James Hansen is STILL involved with Al Gore.Has been since the late 1980's.

Try this link,

Al Gore in NYC - "Operating the planet like a business in liquidation"

WorldChanging Team

May 26, 2006 1:41 PM

Excerpt:

Arthur Smith has been following energy issues since 2002, co-founded the Alternative Energy Action Network, and is vice president for chapters with the National Space Society.

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/004496.html

or this,

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Pag...L20060526b.html

or the very recent comments by james,

Some backers concede minor inaccuracies but see them as reasonable for a politician. James E. Hansen, an environmental scientist, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies and a top adviser to Mr. Gore, said, “Al does an exceptionally good job of seeing the forest for the trees,” adding that Mr. Gore often did so “better than scientists.”

Still, Dr. Hansen said, the former vice president’s work may hold “imperfections” and “technical flaws.” He pointed to hurricanes, an icon for Mr. Gore, who highlights the devastation of Hurricane Katrina and cites research suggesting that global warming will cause both storm frequency and deadliness to rise. Yet this past Atlantic season produced fewer hurricanes than forecasters predicted (five versus nine), and none that hit the United States.

“We need to be more careful in describing the hurricane story than he is,” Dr. Hansen said of Mr. Gore. “On the other hand,” Dr. Hansen said, “he has the bottom line right: most storms, at least those driven by the latent heat of vaporization, will tend to be stronger, or have the potential to be stronger, in a warmer climate.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/13/science/...2fd9df8&ei=5070

James Hansen who should know better is making a total fool of himself drooling in Gore's shadow.

It is sad.

[Guthrie]

NYTimes

Global Warming Called Security Threat

By Andrew C. Revkin / Timothy Williams

WASHINGTON - For the second time in a month, private consultants to the government are warning that human-driven warming of the climate poses risks to the national security of the United States.A report, scheduled to be published on Monday but distributed to some reporters yesterday, said issues usually associated with the environment - like rising ocean levels, droughts and violent weather caused by global warming - were also national security concerns.

“Unlike the problems that we are used to dealing with, these will come upon us extremely slowly, but come they will, and they will be grinding and inexorable,” Richard J. Truly, a retired United States Navy vice admiral and former NASA administrator, said in the report.

The effects of global warming, the study said, could lead to large-scale migrations, increased border tensions, the spread of disease and conflicts over food and water. All could lead to direct involvement by the United States military.

The report recommends that climate change be integrated into the nation’s security strategies and says the United States “should commit to a stronger national and international role to help stabilize climate changes at levels that will avoid significant disruption to global security and stability.”

The report, called “National Security and the Threat of Climate Change,” was commissioned by the Center for Naval Analyses, a government-financed research group, and written by a group of retired generals and admirals called the Military Advisory Board.

In March, a report from the Global Business Network, which advises intelligence agencies and the Pentagon on occasion, concluded, among other things, that rising seas and more powerful storms could eventually generate unrest as crowded regions like Bangladesh’s sinking delta become less habitable,

One of the authors of the report, Peter Schwartz, a consultant who studies climate risks and other trends for the Defense Department and other clients, said the climate system, jogged by a century-long buildup of heat-trapping gases, was likely to rock between extremes that could wreak havoc in poor countries with fragile societies.

“Just look at Somalia in the early 1990s,” Mr. Schwartz said. “You had disruption driven by drought, leading to the collapse of a society, humanitarian relief efforts, and then disastrous U.S. military intervention. That event is prototypical of the future.”

“Picture that in Central America or the Caribbean, which are just as likely,” he said. “This is not distant, this is now. And we need to be preparing.”

Other recent studies have shown that drought and scant water have already fueled civil conflicts in global hot spots like Afghanistan, Nepal, and Sudan, according to several recent studies.

This bodes ill, given projections that human-driven warming is likely to make some of the world’s driest, poorest places drier still, experts said.

“The evidence is fairly clear that sharp downward deviations from normal rainfall in fragile societies elevate the risk of major conflict,” said Marc Levy of the Earth Institute at Columbia University, which recently published a study on the relationship between climate and civil war.

Given that climate models project drops in rainfall in such places in a warming world, Mr. Levy said, “It seems irresponsible not to take into account the possibility that a world with climate change will be a more violent world when making judgments about how tolerable such a world might be.”

Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

[B. Max]

NYTimes

Global Warming Called Security Threat

By Andrew C. Revkin / Timothy Williams

WASHINGTON - For the second time in a month, private consultants to the government are warning that human-driven warming

Problem is, there is no evidence of man made global warming.

[Guthrie]

NYTimes

Global Warming Called Security Threat

By Andrew C. Revkin / Timothy Williams

WASHINGTON - For the second time in a month, private consultants to the government are warning that human-driven warming

Problem is, there is no evidence of man made global warming.

That is the same as saying there is no evidence the world is round.

I mean, even after we've stepped back far enough to get a real clear picture, there are luddites who don't want to know the truth.

[B. Max]

That is the same as saying there is no evidence the world is round.

I mean, even after we've stepped back far enough to get a real clear picture, there are luddites who don't want to know the truth.

We know the truth, and the truth is there is no evidence. To say there is, is like saying the sun comes up because the rooster crows.

[Guthrie]

That is the same as saying there is no evidence the world is round.

I mean, even after we've stepped back far enough to get a real clear picture, there are luddites who don't want to know the truth.

We know the truth, and the truth is there is no evidence. To say there is, is like saying the sun comes up because the rooster crows.

The truth is just the opposite.

[B. Max]

The truth is just the opposite.

Prove it.

[Guthrie]

Open your eyes and you will see it.

It's been proven for a long time now

or maybe you'd like me to prove the world is round????