Inhofe calls the goracles hand

[sunsettommy]

This topic of US politics amuses me.

Gore is an idiot. Therefore global warming doesn't exist.

Gotta love US partisan politics. This apparently passes for serious discussion.

I thought Gore was an idiot because he distorts the issue so much that even prominent AGW's are backing away from this buffoon.

He he .........

Global Warming does exist.

[Guthrie]

Likely, he's smarter than a gang of you guys together.

He distorts nothing. "But in a world gone mad, truth wears a wry face"

[sunsettommy]

Likely, he's smarter than a gang of you guys together.

He distorts nothing. "But in a world gone mad, truth wears a wry face"

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

He lies about the Polar Bears populations.

He B.S.'s about Sea Levels increases.

The man had an erratic academic college career.

Gore's Grades Belie Image of Studiousness

His School Transcripts Are a Lot Like Bush's

By David Maraniss and Ellen Nakashima

Washington Post Staff Writers

Sunday, March 19, 2000; Page A01

Excerpt:

If Al Gore is commonly thought of as a grind, the sort of fellow who during his school days would take notes in precise Roman numeral outline, strive mightily to ingratiate himself with teachers, and bring sterling report cards home to his demanding parents, his academic transcripts go some way toward subverting that notion.

From his lower school years at St. Albans to his incomplete effort at Vanderbilt law school, Gore was often an underachiever. Though his IQ numbers and aptitude test scores were well above average, his grades were uneven, never approaching the plateau of A's and B's that might be expected of one who possesses such a pedagogical demeanor. His generally middling college grades at Harvard in fact bear a close resemblance to the corresponding Yale marks of his presidential opponent, George W. Bush, whose studiousness and brainpower have been more open to question during this campaign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?p...37397-2000Mar18

Al Gore lies a lot and what is more he is strangely ignorant in science issues.

[B. Max]

This topic of US politics amuses me.

Gore is an idiot. Therefore global warming doesn't exist.

Gotta love US partisan politics. This apparently passes for serious discussion.

Gore is an idiot, that is a fact. There is no man made global warming becaus the science says so.

[B. Max]

Likely, he's smarter than a gang of you guys together.

He distorts nothing. "But in a world gone mad, truth wears a wry face"

Actually he outright lies.

[Guthrie]

Likely, he's smarter than a gang of you guys together.

He distorts nothing. "But in a world gone mad, truth wears a wry face"

Actually he outright lies.

a fanciful (and indefensible) claim, care to attempt to defend it???

[Canadian Blue]

Gore is an idiot, that is a fact. There is no man made global warming becaus the science says so.

Because the science said so, who are you referring to, James Dobson I'm guessing.

[B. Max]

a fanciful (and indefensible) claim, care to attempt to defend it???

Easily done. Gore claims historic co2 levels precede temperature rise, when in fact they follow temperature rise by 800 years. Gore claims sea levels will rise by twenty feet while there are no scientists making that claim not even the UN climate panel.

[B. Max]

Gore is an idiot, that is a fact. There is no man made global warming becaus the science says so.

Because the science said so, who are you referring to, James Dobson I'm guessing.

Looks more like nonsense that guessing. Exactly what one always gets from the leftist man made global warming alarmist crowd.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fus...82-87381DE894CD

[Guthrie]

a fanciful (and indefensible) claim, care to attempt to defend it???

Easily done. Gore claims historic co2 levels precede temperature rise, when in fact they follow temperature rise by 800 years. Gore claims sea levels will rise by twenty feet while there are no scientists making that claim not even the UN climate panel.

wrong on both accounts --- you've defended nothing so far - what would prove your point is you showing a quote of Gore's claim and then show how it's a lie

example:

Gore said, "Xxx xxx xxx"

But the truth is, "Yyy yyy yy"

the stuff you've offered is nothing but inane gobbledygook

[B. Max]

the stuff you've offered is nothing but inane gobbledygook

It is fact, something you won't recognize if it ran over you.

[Guthrie]

the stuff you've offered is nothing but inane gobbledygook

It is fact, something you won't recognize if it ran over you.

ok, fact, show me where Gore said co2 precedes warming, why it is significant and substantive evidence of it being a lie

so far, you've offered only your own claims -- see, proof is when you back your claims up - not when you insult the guy who points out your failure to make a point

[B. Max]

the stuff you've offered is nothing but inane gobbledygook

It is fact, something you won't recognize if it ran over you.

ok, fact, show me where Gore said co2 precedes warming, why it is significant and substantive evidence of it being a lie

so far, you've offered only your own claims -- see, proof is when you back your claims up - not when you insult the guy who points out your failure to make a point

For proof of what Gore said watch is own science fiction movie. Or the great global warming swindle documentary.

Direct observations from the last ice age

Direct observations from the last ice age were not possible. We were not here. Temperatures and CO2 concentrations have been indirectly deduced from samples of air from former ages locked in the ice of Greenland or Antarctica. The results do not provide a basis for reliable estimates of the earth’s sensitivity to extra CO2: they show that increases in CO2 do not precede increases in temperature – they follow it.

Petit et al. (1999) reconstructed surface air temperature and atmospheric CO2 concentration profiles from Vostok ice core samples covering 420,000 years, concluding that during glaciation “the CO2 decrease lags the temperature decrease by several thousand years" and "the same sequence of climate forcing operated during each termination.”

Using sections of ice core records from the last three inter-glacial transitions, Fischer et al. (1999) decided that “the time lag of the rise in CO2 concentrations with respect to temperature change is on the order of 400 to 1000 years during all three glacial-interglacial transitions.”

On the basis of atmospheric carbon dioxide data obtained from Antarctic Taylor Dome ice core samples, and temperature data obtained from the Vostok ice core, Indermuhle et al. (2000) looked at the relationship between these two variables over the period 60,000-20,000 years ago. A statistical test on the data showed that movement in the air’s CO2 content lagged behind shifts in air temperature by approximately 900 years, while a second statistical test yielded a mean lag-time of 1200 years.

http://72.14.253.104/custom?q=cache:6nykz8...841204415070352

[Guthrie]

see, for me, the way you win your point is by providing me those two bits as described

Gore says, "...."

but the truth is, "...."

is it impossible for you to follow such a format? the stuff you've posted is nothing but a blog pile several steps removed from any evidence of anything --- so, maybe get a better source

[B. Max]

see, for me, the way you win your point is by providing me those two bits as described

Gore says, "...."

but the truth is, "...."

is it impossible for you to follow such a format? the stuff you've posted is nothing but a blog pile several steps removed from any evidence of anything --- so, maybe get a better source

You don't know what you are doing. You understand nothing about any of it. You are simply one of the dupes of dooms day.

[Guthrie]

see, for me, the way you win your point is by providing me those two bits as described

Gore says, "...."

but the truth is, "...."

is it impossible for you to follow such a format? the stuff you've posted is nothing but a blog pile several steps removed from any evidence of anything --- so, maybe get a better source

You don't know what you are doing. You understand nothing about any of it. You are simply one of the dupes of dooms day.

but how can you say Gore lied if you can't even produce the lie itself ---

You can't prove Gore is a liar if you don't even really know what he said.

and tossing insults is not a replacement for substantially supporting your argument

[noahbody]

the stuff you've offered is nothing but inane gobbledygook

It is fact, something you won't recognize if it ran over you.

ok, fact, show me where Gore said co2 precedes warming, why it is significant and substantive evidence of it being a lie

so far, you've offered only your own claims -- see, proof is when you back your claims up - not when you insult the guy who points out your failure to make a point

The theory that CO2 precedes warming is what the Kyoto crowd has claimed from the beginning. In the his documentary Gore does mention the relationship is a complicated one, before using graphs to demonstate the undeniable relationship. Was Gore lying by omitting the information that basically discredits the extent of the 'man-made' claims? My guess is he was the one lied to. Gore has been used as a patsy from the get-go. Global warming will suprass Bre-Ex as the greatest con in recent times.

[Guthrie]

well, we certainly have a lot of hot air - and a lot of name calling and a lot of insinuations -

what we don't have, is an argument

I'll be glad to defend Gore but someone has to show me a quote and why the quoted statement is a lie

hot air? we have too much already, has no one told you about the climate changes we are experiencing?

[B. Max]

You can't prove Gore is a liar if you don't even really know what he said.

and tossing insults is not a replacement for substantially supporting your argument

If you can't keep up with what's going on don't waste my time.

[Guthrie]

You can't prove Gore is a liar if you don't even really know what he said.

and tossing insults is not a replacement for substantially supporting your argument

If you can't keep up with what's going on don't waste my time.

Go thou and do likewise.

[Canadian Blue]

I personally find it interesting that some of the people in the states who think climate change is BS, are also the same people who believe that the earth is 6000 years old.

Even Polynewbie has a few "scientists" who back up his crazy claims.

The theory that CO2 precedes warming is what the Kyoto crowd has claimed from the beginning. In the his documentary Gore does mention the relationship is a complicated one, before using graphs to demonstate the undeniable relationship. Was Gore lying by omitting the information that basically discredits the extent of the 'man-made' claims? My guess is he was the one lied to. Gore has been used as a patsy from the get-go. Global warming will suprass Bre-Ex as the greatest con in recent times.

If its not a con, then I'd assume we are all screwed because people were scared of driving Hybrid cars and cutting down on energy costs.

[B. Max]

Even Polynewbie has a few "scientists" who back up his crazy claims.

Yeah i guess these aren't scientists.

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60 climate scientists’ letter to the Canadian Prime Minister

6 April 2006

* Sixty eminent scientists in climate and related fields disagree strongly with the “consensus” which Gore and other supporters of the UN say is unanimous. This is the text of the strongly-worded letter which they wrote to the Canadian Prime Minister on 6 April 2006.

AN OPEN LETTER TO PRIME MINISTER STEPHEN HARPER

cc. Hon. Rona Ambrose, Minister of the Environment; Hon. Gary Lunn, Minister of Natural Resources

“Dear Prime Minister, - As accredited experts in climate and related scientific disciplines, we are writing to propose that balanced, comprehensive public-consultation sessions be held so as to examine the scientific foundation of the federal government's climate-change plans. This would be entirely consistent with your recent commitment to conduct a review of the Kyoto Protocol. Although many of us made the same suggestion to then-prime ministers Martin and Chretien, neither responded, and, to date, no formal, independent climate-science review has been conducted in Canada. Much of the billions of dollars earmarked for implementation of the protocol in Canada will be squandered without a proper assessment of recent developments in climate science.

“Observational evidence does not support today's computer climate models, so there is little reason to trust model predictions of the future. Yet this is precisely what the United Nations did in creating and promoting Kyoto and still does in the alarmist forecasts on which Canada's climate policies are based. Even if the climate models were realistic, the environmental impact of Canada delaying implementation of Kyoto or other greenhouse-gas reduction schemes, pending completion of consultations, would be insignificant. Directing your government to convene balanced, open hearings as soon as possible would be a most prudent and responsible course of action.

“While the confident pronouncements of scientifically unqualified environmental groups may provide for sensational headlines, they are no basis for mature policy formulation. The study of global climate change is, as you have said, an "emerging science," one that is perhaps the most complex ever tackled. It may be many years yet before we properly understand the Earth's climate system. Nevertheless, significant advances have been made since the protocol was created, many of which are taking us away from a concern about increasing greenhouse gases. If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded it was not necessary.

“We appreciate the difficulty any government has formulating sensible science-based policy when the loudest voices always seem to be pushing in the opposite direction. However, by convening open, unbiased consultations, Canadians will be permitted to hear from experts on both sides of the debate in the climate-science community. When the public comes to understand that there is no "consensus" among climate scientists about the relative importance of the various causes of global climate change, the government will be in a far better position to develop plans that reflect reality and so benefit both the environment and the economy.

“‘Climate change is real’ is a meaningless phrase used repeatedly by activists to convince the public that a climate catastrophe is looming and humanity is the cause. Neither of these fears is justified. Global climate changes all the time due to natural causes and the human impact still remains impossible to distinguish from this natural ‘noise.’ The new Canadian government's commitment to reducing air, land and water pollution is commendable, but allocating funds to ‘stopping climate change’ would be irrational. We need to continue intensive research into the real causes of climate change and help our most vulnerable citizens adapt to whatever nature throws at us next.

“We believe the Canadian public and government decision-makers need and deserve to hear the whole story concerning this very complex issue. It was only 30 years ago that many of today's global-warming alarmists were telling us that the world was in the midst of a global-cooling catastrophe. But the science continued to evolve, and still does, even though so many choose to ignore it when it does not fit with predetermined political agendas. We hope that you will examine our proposal carefully and we stand willing and able to furnish you with more information on this crucially important topic.”

Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa

Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans, former director of Australia's National Tidal Facility and professor of earth sciences, Flinders University, Adelaide; currently adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa

Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University, Ottawa

Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science and associate professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa

Dr. Madhav Khandekar, former research scientist, Environment Canada. Member of editorial board of Climate Research and Natural Hazards

Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University, Sudbury, Ont.

Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Ont.

Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg; environmental consultant

Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant in statistics and geology

Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), FRMS, Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa

Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.

Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta

Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.

Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies and climate change, Dept. of Economics, University of Victoria

Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie University, Halifax

Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of Exeter, U.K.

Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta

Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and Sioux Lookout, Ontario.

Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey, B.C.

Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary.

Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ontario.

Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The University of Auckland, N.Z.

Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology, Dept. of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology

Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.

Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists

Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences, University of Melbourne, Australia

Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia

Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head National Climate Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology; former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology, Scientific and Technical Review

Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute

Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate Change Consultant, Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand

Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences, University of Virginia

Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics & geodynamics, Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden

Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif.

Dr. Roy W. Spencer, principal research scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville

Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minn.

Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS

Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and Infectious Diseases, Paris, France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group II, chapter 8 (human health)

Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland

Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, U.K.; editor, Energy & Environment

Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations) and an economist who has focused on climate change

Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey

Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway

Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming; previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand

Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington, N.Z.

Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of Connecticut

Dr. Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John Moores University, U.K.

Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K.

Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member, United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000

Dr. S. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences, University of Virginia; former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service

Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and isotope geophysics, Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences; past president of the Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society

Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey professor of energy conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University

Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass.

Douglas Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of the book The Role of the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation Center, Davos, Switzerland

Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific climate and carbon modeller, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany

Dr. Boris Winterhalter, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland

Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden

Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant.

Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Ore.

Dr. Arthur Rorsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden University, The Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands organization for applied research (TNO) in environmental, food and public health

Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international economist

Dr. Richard S. Courtney, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, U.K.

[Canadian Blue]

About 2500 seem to disagree.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?alias=ble...arning-issued-o

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_te...climate_change/

Either way, it seems odd that so many scientists are in on the "con job".

[B. Max]

About 2500 seem to disagree.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?alias=ble...arning-issued-o

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_te...climate_change/

Either way, it seems odd that so many scientists are in on the "con job".

Actually it's about twelve or thirteen. Most likely all climate modelers like James Hansen who has be caught falsifying the known US historical temperature records.

To further prove that the enter man made global warming is a scam, we have the UN's own expert reviewers who can't even get the material they are suppose to review.

Then alarmists trot out this kind of nonsense that ranges anywhere from 50 to a thousand a day yet can't name them.

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=37214

[Guthrie]

the first scam in human history in which the money all goes the other way