What would Peter McKay do if he lost in a election?

[Topaz]

Do you think he could regroup and try to bring back the Progressive Conservative to power again? How many would leave Harper to form it??? Where oh were would this leave Stevie!!! Perhaps he could join the NDP or the Green Party or maybe get a job with the UN.

[Figleaf]

Do you think he could regroup and try to bring back the Progressive Conservative to power again? How many would leave Harper to form it??? Where oh were would this leave Stevie!!! Perhaps he could join the NDP or the Green Party or maybe get a job with the UN.

He'll probably have to go back to scoring wrongful convictions as a prosecutor.

[PolyNewbie]

Perhaps he could get a job with Haliburton in their child kidnapping ring.

[Canadian Blue]

Do you think he could regroup and try to bring back the Progressive Conservative to power again? How many would leave Harper to form it??? Where oh were would this leave Stevie!!! Perhaps he could join the NDP or the Green Party or maybe get a job with the UN.

So is this thread meant soley for partisan hack's, or is there gonna be an actual debate beyond the usual wishful speculation of partisan hacks.

[Martin Chriton]

Do you think he could regroup and try to bring back the Progressive Conservative to power again? How many would leave Harper to form it??? Where oh were would this leave Stevie!!! Perhaps he could join the NDP or the Green Party or maybe get a job with the UN.

The only way Peter McKay could possibly lose his seat is if the Conservatives do very badly as a whole in the election.

In which case the current leader of the party would probably be fired and McKay could run as leader.

[Canadian Blue]

If Mackay lost the election, I think it's more likely that he would run for provincial politics. Mackay wouldn't be able to bring back the old federal Progressive Conservative Party for a number of reason's. The most important being the fact that he was the one who wanted the merger to happen.

As for this poster believing that Harper would go to the New Democrats or the Green's, it's completely stupid for a number of reason's. First the poster for some reason believes that Harper switched allegiances from Reform to the Canadian Alliance, and then to the Conservatives. This is stupid because Reform dissolved to form the Canadian Alliance, and then both the Canadian Alliance and Progressive Conservative's dissolved to form the Conservative Party of Canada.

As for scoring wrongful conviction's, before making those kind's of statements, one should be prepared to back it up since it's nothing more than slander.

[PolyNewbie]

People are starting to wake up about the North American Union. When this happens sufficiently both the Cons and Libs (same neoliberal agenda - outright blatent corporate sellout) are going to have a hard time getting beyond minority government.

Each time one gets re elected all the secret meetings about the NAU will re surface.

[Charles Anthony]

Each time one gets re elected all the secret meetings about the NAU will re surface.

When they re-surface, will they be more secret or less secret than before?

[sideshow]

I think that if Peter lost the election he could go into business selling all those flying pigs-because thats the only time he will lose to May-when pigs fly.

[Figleaf]

Do you think he could regroup and try to bring back the Progressive Conservative to power again? How many would leave Harper to form it??? Where oh were would this leave Stevie!!! Perhaps he could join the NDP or the Green Party or maybe get a job with the UN.

So is this thread meant soley for partisan hack's, or is there gonna be an actual debate beyond the usual wishful speculation of partisan hacks.

Hey buddy, if you don't like it, why don't you go over to a tory thread and harangue them instead.

[Saturn]

He'd go home for some photo ops in his dad's potato fields and then head to TO to sit on the boards of a dozen large corporations.

[Canadian Blue]

No, if somebody want's to use lies to prove a point, I'll correct them. Figleaf you made absurd comments, yet you weren't able to back them up. If you want to slander a politician and make comment's which are based purely on speculation I'll report you to the moderator. It's nothing more than partisan hackery on your part, and does nothing to prove a point.

On other forums with a Conservative bent I have corrected others, look at the topic on appeasement.

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[Michael Bluth]

He'd go home for some photo ops in his dad's potato fields and then head to TO to sit on the boards of a dozen large corporations.

Probably right.

Starting up the PCs again. Hmmm, yeah Peter MacKay would have a lot of credibility after having sold out poor David Orchard and losing a seat his family has held for decades.

[Topaz]

If Mackay lost the election, I think it's more likely that he would run for provincial politics. Mackay wouldn't be able to bring back the old federal Progressive Conservative Party for a number of reason's. The most important being the fact that he was the one who wanted the merger to happen.

As for this poster believing that Harper would go to the New Democrats or the Green's, it's completely stupid for a number of reason's. First the poster for some reason believes that Harper switched allegiances from Reform to the Canadian Alliance, and then to the Conservatives. This is stupid because Reform dissolved to form the Canadian Alliance, and then both the Canadian Alliance and Progressive Conservative's dissolved to form the Conservative Party of Canada.

As for scoring wrongful conviction's, before making those kind's of statements, one should be prepared to back it up since it's nothing more than slander.

Reason I say that was I read his bio. and Harper stated out as a LIBERAL under Trudeau, then he switched to Reform to the Alliance. The only ones left is the NDP or the Green Party.

[Canadian Blue]

Harper started out as a Liberal in his what, early twenties. The Reform party dissolved to form the Canadian Alliance, it doesn't take much to realize that when one party dissolves to form another it's not really "switching allegiances". I suggest you try to get educated in what politics has been like in Canada in the past ten years.

Either way, do you have any real argument besides making up a pleasent fiction for your own obvious hatred of Stephen Harper?

[Who's Doing What?]

If MacKay lost his seat, I'm sure he could always get a job at Magna.

I hear he has an "in" with the boss's daughter.

[kimmy]

Do you think he could regroup and try to bring back the Progressive Conservative to power again?

Would he reform the PC party? No. Would a reformed PC party ever achieve anything? I doubt it.

How many would leave Harper to form it???

Tough call, but I will go with zero.

Where oh were would this leave Stevie!!!

Leader of one of Canada's 2 major national political parties.

Perhaps he could join the NDP or the Green Party or maybe get a job with the UN.

When he's no longer leader of one of Canada's 2 major national parties, I'm sure that Mr Harper will have a plethora of appealing career options open to him. I doubt he'll commit career suicide by working for any of those dead-end organizations you mention.

Was this the sort of discussion you were hoping for?

-k

[Michael Bluth]

How many would leave Harper to form it???

Tough call, but I will go with zero.

Brilliant!

Uhhh, I think the PCs have been reformed as the Progressive Canadians. Easier for MacKay to just join them, wouldn't it be?

[Figleaf]

As for scoring wrongful conviction's, before making those kind's of statements, one should be prepared to back it up since it's nothing more than slander.

Slander? That's a little strong. Prosecutors are always getting wrongful convictions, or bankrupting innocent poor to middle-class people into plea bargains -- the history of this in Canada is ample demonstration of it. Why would Mackay be immune?

Anyway, slander has to have the effect of damaging someone's reputation and a little thing like a few wrongful convictions isn't going to make much difference to a reputation like Mackay's. Especially when you consider that many people, particularly on the right where his appeal lies is found, actually seem keen on increasing the number of wrongful convictions by making it even easier to jail innocent people.

[Canadian Blue]

Figleaf, why do you hate Crown Prosecutors so much?

Once again you should back up a statement like that before coming to such absurd conclusion's. If Mackay was involved in putting innocent people in jail, give me the case as well as a link to the case. I have only heard of a few cases coming forward about wrongful conviction's, and the reason for it was because of new DNA evidence.

If you don't provide the actual cases, with links, then it's nothing more than pure speculation on your part.

BTW: How do you know those people that Peter Mackay put in jail were innocent, I hear of many more cases of people getting off on technicalities than I do about wrongful convictions?

[Figleaf]

Figleaf, why do you hate Crown Prosecutors so much?

Hate? I don't hate them. I don't hate Bell Canada, but I think it's a crappy company with crappy management. Similarly, I think a cursory examination of the record in Canada indicates that there's a whole lot of crappy work and crappy management in prosecution departments all across Canada.

If Mackay was involved in putting innocent people in jail, give me the case as well as a link to the case.

I don't know of any. My point is that Mackay would be forced to go back to being a prosecutor, and as such he would be returning to a system that produces wrongful convictions like Microsoft produces system crashes.

I have only heard of a few cases coming forward about wrongful conviction's, and the reason for it was because of new DNA evidence.

This is just one organization ...

http://www.aidwyc.org/past-cases.cfm

http://www.aidwyc.org/cases.cfm

[Canuck E Stan]

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[Canuck E Stan]

The Senate would be nice.

[kimmy]

Figleaf, why do you hate Crown Prosecutors so much?

Hate? I don't hate them. I don't hate Bell Canada, but I think it's a crappy company with crappy management. Similarly, I think a cursory examination of the record in Canada indicates that there's a whole lot of crappy work and crappy management in prosecution departments all across Canada.

If Mackay was involved in putting innocent people in jail, give me the case as well as a link to the case.

I don't know of any. My point is that Mackay would be forced to go back to being a prosecutor, and as such he would be returning to a system that produces wrongful convictions like Microsoft produces system crashes.

I have only heard of a few cases coming forward about wrongful conviction's, and the reason for it was because of new DNA evidence.

This is just one organization ...

http://www.aidwyc.org/past-cases.cfm

http://www.aidwyc.org/cases.cfm

Compared to the number of trials, I'd liken this to a needle in a haystack, not "producing wrongful convictions like Microsoft produces crashes."

-k

[guyser]

I looked at your links figleaf and one thing that struck me was the fact that most of hose listed are old convictions, prior to the rise of DNA.

But let me ask you....what do you percieve to be behind wrongful convictions? Perhaps you could list them point form in descending order?