9/11

[PolyNewbie]

Obviously BlackDog doesn't believe in conspiracies. Wouldn't it be something if he was a cop, lawyer or judge in real life ?

[Black Dog]

Obviously BlackDog doesn't believe in conspiracies. Wouldn't it be something if he was a cop, lawyer or judge in real life ?

Obviously, I said no such thing. Here's a conspiracy I believe in. Here's another. There's certainly something fishy up with this. But acknowledging the existence of conspiracies does not require one believe every single conspiracy theory, especially if, as in the case of the "9-11 inside job" and "Oklahoma City jihad" theories, the conspiracy is based on flawed logic or false evidence. Indeed, the examples of actual conspiracies help disprove the "inside job" theory and others like it. Here's why.

Real conspiracies, by their very nature, have the following characteristics:

-- They are limited in scope, their purpose being usually to achieve only a singular, often narrow, purpose.

-- They are limited in duration in time.

-- They include only a limited number of participants.

-- As the boundaries of these limits increase, the likelihood of the conspiracy failing or being exposed rises exponentially.

Conspiracy theories, in direct contrast, almost universally feature the following qualities:

-- They are broad-ranging in nature, and usually boil down to a massive plot to enslave, murder or politically oppress all of mankind or at least large numbers of people.

-- They are believed to have existed for long periods of time, in some cases for hundreds of years.

-- They involve large numbers of people, notably significant numbers of participants in high positions in government or the bureaucracy.

-- The long-term success of these conspiracies is always credited to willing dupes in the media and elsewhere.

[White Doors]

Showing that the government is lying is a good indicator that they were involved.

If you ever got arrested and they thought you were lying in the interrogation room, they would also believe you are guilty because you are lying.

Showing that the government is lying all the time and making up things that are rediculous is another way of showing possible involvement.

So tell us "little man", why do you NOT think it was an inside job ? If you had said "little man" while sitting beside me you would be shortly lying on the floor wondering what happened and where you were.

Ahhh!!! An internet tough guy! I love them!!

you are missing the point Poly. The onus of proof is upon you.

You asserted that 9/11 was an inside job now PROVE it.

Holes, imaginary or not, in the 9/11 commision do not support your ray gun theory for example.

Educate us my boy. Oh and speaking of which (since you use it alot) it's spelled ridiculous. NOT rediculous(sic).

carry on now.

[PolyNewbie]

Ceasar was assasinated because he was a monetary reformist. Same as Kennedy.

If you think they are lying about Kennedy and obviosly you know that there is no evidence to support the official version of 911, why do you believe the government ?

What is it about the official version that has any credibility ? It sounds so rediculous - its even funny.

Do you know of any evidence that supports the official version besides the fake Bin Laden tape ?

[PolyNewbie]

White Doors: Educate us my boy.

I am not your boy and I am heterosexual. I will no longer be answering your posts.

All my posts provide proof that 911 was an inside job.

None of the government apologists on this thread have provided one reason why the official version should be believed. I, Jenna and others have provided mountains of facts that indicate that (1) the official version is a big fat lie and there is no supporting evidence for it (2) 911 was an inside job.

[White Doors]

White Doors: Educate us my boy.

I am not your boy and I am heterosexual. I will no longer be answering your posts.

weird. you won't even try to prove your own theory?

talk about a cover up - not to mention a cop out.

[White Doors]

Really? i thought Caesar was assasinated because the senate was jealous of his power?

how interesting. Those freemasons sure get around.

[PolyNewbie]

White Doors:Really? i thought Caesar was assasinated because the senate was jealous of his power?

Thats stupid. You make Rome sound like a bunch of little children.

Thats it - no more answers to your posts. Your level of insult shows you to be of young mental age.

[White Doors]

yes. the answer to my post is 'that's stupid'.

haha. who's all grown up now?

[Black Dog]

Ceasar was assasinated because he was a monetary reformist. Same as Kennedy.

Noooo. Ceaser was assasinated because he was a military dictator who overthrew the Republican order.

If you think they are lying about Kennedy and obviosly you know that there is no evidence to support the official version of 911, why do you believe the government ?

I don't believe the government. I believe that the 9-11 attacks were carried out by external parties. The m.o. is consistent with other attacks by Islamic extremists.

What is it about the official version that has any credibility ? It sounds so rediculous - its even funny.

Right: and the use of a mini nuclear weapon to bring down a skyscraper- that's sober and thoughtful analysis?

And I still wanna know why they hit the Pentagon with a missile instead of a plane like in NYC and why they faked/shot down Flight 93. You've ducked those questions repeatedly.

Do you know of any evidence that supports the official version besides the fake Bin Laden tape ?

What: you mean other than eyewitness accounts of the hijackings?

[Catchme]

White Doors: Educate us my boy.

I am not your boy and I am heterosexual. I will no longer be answering your posts.

All my posts provide proof that 911 was an inside job.

None of the government apologists on this thread have provided one reason why the official version should be believed. I, Jenna and others have provided mountains of facts that indicate that (1) the official version is a big fat lie and there is no supporting evidence for it (2) 911 was an inside job.

You're quite correct, mountains have facts have been provided in this thread, those who state otherwise are only trying to say that so those who step into the discussion at this point do not bother looking over the facts presented on earlier pages. That is the problem with such long threads people do not know what pages to view to see the facts presented so basically it becomes lost info again, thereby affording those dishonest brokers the opportunity to say it was not proven.

Anyway, here is another link to more information about all of this, that has a huge amount of links to government documents and other sources of indisputable information. In fact, it follows the chronology with 100's of supporting links.

http://ecosyn.us/Bush-Hitler/Bush_Eugenics.html

The second set of papers, which are in the National Archives, are contained in vesting order number 248 which records the seizure of the company assets. What these files show is that on October 20 1942 the alien property custodian seized the assets of the UBC, of which Prescott Bush was a director. Having gone through the books of the bank, further seizures were made against two affiliates, the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation. By November, the Silesian-American Company, another of Prescott Bush's ventures, had also been seized.

[PolyNewbie]

Black Dog:And I still wanna know why they hit the Pentagon with a missile instead of a plane like in NYC and why they faked/shot down Flight 93. You've ducked those questions repeatedly.

I don't know what hit the Pentagon. I generally avoid the issue because the collapse of the towers shows 911 to be an inside job. So does all the guilty behaviour and coverups and many financial aspects of 911.

Bombs went off in the Pentagon before anything ever hit it according to a Pentagon Colonel who was there. See Seven Hours In September.

Black Dog: What: you mean other than eyewitness accounts of the hijackings?

What eye witnesses ? Are you talking about cell phone calls from 30,000 ft ?

Actually your eye witness accounts are third person accounts plus the calls were made from cell phones at 30,000 ft - impossible back in 2001. Remember the cell phone companies bargging about their new technology that would let people call from planes about 6 months after 911 ?

"Hi Mom, Its Mark Bingham" Do you use your last name when you call your mom ?

[Black Dog]

I banged my head on the keyboard when I realized I totally fell for PN's demand for evidence supporrting the official version. I should have seen that, in PNs world, since the "truth" is self-evident, any evidence of another conclusion is ipso facto false and therefore inadmissable. Th eonly evidence that PN will accept as not being falsified is that which supports his conclusion.

I don't know what hit the Pentagon. I generally avoid the issue because the collapse of the towers shows 911 to be an inside job. So does all the guilty behaviour and coverups and many financial aspects of 911.

So why not tell me how these other events tie in? Hmmm?

What eye witnesses ? Are you talking about cell phone calls from 30,000 ft ?

There's the people who called from the planes (btw: have you ever heard of airphones? Lots of planes have them.) The people who checked the hijackers in. The people who taught them to fly. The people who saw the plane hit the Pentagon and the other one auger into the field in PA...

"Hi Mom, Its Mark Bingham" Do you use your last name when you call your mom ?

Maybe Mark Bingham did. And what do you know: according to him mom, he did that:

Hoglan: Once in a while he would say that. He would call up, and he was, he was a young businessman, and used to, used to introduce himself on phone as Mark Bingham, and he was trying to be, uh, strong, and level-headed, and, and strictly business. "Mom, this is Mark Bingham".

-from the Discovery Channel interview with Alice Hoglan

[PolyNewbie]

The oligarchy is very afraid of people with computers. There is a distributed intelligence to computers that scares them. They do not want a large part of the population to understand how the banks work and who is really in charge and that elections and federal politics is just a big dog & pony show.

Mostly its about not letting us find out how the banks work. Once a large number of people understand this the system will really change and not be so tolerant of their criminal activities, war crimes and their plans for mass extermination.

The same world oligarchy has been in power for more than 1000 years and computers can take it all away and create a just world.

911 is rediculous. They must have big laughs over the official version and laugh about it every time they get togather to rape children, torture people and worship the devil.

[Riverwind]

"Hi Mom, Its Mark Bingham" Do you use your last name when you call your mom ?

When you are calling you mother in law and your wife's brother is named Mark too.

[Jenna]

"Hi Mom, Its Mark Bingham" Do you use your last name when you call your mom ?

When you are calling you mother in law and your wife's brother is named Mark too.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[Black Dog]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Yeah it makes a lot more sense to say the phone call was faked by someone who knew how to mimik Mark Bingham's particular mode of speech, and who knew to call Bingham's mother at her sister in-law's place.

[PolyNewbie]

Jenna:That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

reeeeaaaaaccchhhhh.

[Canadian Blue]

The pilot who shot down that plane no longer works for NORAD though, I'm assuming he got into some big trouble.

Did you just make that up. Probably...

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Ceasar was assasinated because he was a monetary reformist. Same as Kennedy.

Noooo. Ceaser was assasinated because he was a military dictator who overthrew the Republican order.

Black Dog not that history, the alternate history. See those evil freemason's altered history.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

About as dumb as believing everything you read on a conspiracy website, and about as dumb as thinking the ADL doesn't know what it's talking about with regards to nazism, and about as dumb as believing mini nukes took out the WTC.

You're quite correct, mountains have facts have been provided in this thread, those who state otherwise are only trying to say that so those who step into the discussion at this point do not bother looking over the facts presented on earlier pages. That is the problem with such long threads people do not know what pages to view to see the facts presented so basically it becomes lost info again, thereby affording those dishonest brokers the opportunity to say it was not proven.

Anyway, here is another link to more information about all of this, that has a huge amount of links to government documents and other sources of indisputable information. In fact, it follows the chronology with 100's of supporting links.

Catchme the ADL probably has abit more experience in these matters then some conspiracy nuts.

The facts, aren't really facts, more like skewered truth which is only meant to setup a theory with very little basis in reality.

Thats stupid. You make Rome sound like a bunch of little children.

Thats it - no more answers to your posts. Your level of insult shows you to be of young mental age.

Not really, its stupid believing Ceasar was killed due to monetary reform. Obviously shows you're absolute lack of knowledge on history.

Catchme, Polynewbie, and Jenna, it's like a mentally challenged, tin foil, conspiracy theory, love triangle.

[Jenna]

We provide evidence, while you provide ignorant speculation.

"Oh, that probably meant this" and the like.

When I give you a link for something, you look for anything you can find to pounce on and call a crazy lie.

But when I post something that cannot be disputed whatsoever, you just don't comment at all.

Don't think I haven't noticed, it's happened at least 3 times now.

From what I can see, it seems like you're just afraid to have your world turned upside down on you, so you just pretend that it isnt real, and automatically deny whatever is presented to you.

And that's fine of course, to each their own.

But unless you have something concrete to present your arguements, you just help prove our point further.

And as far as I can tell, all you have is "no, the tv said that's not true", or "every doctor and scientist and professor claiming 9/11 was an inside job is a wack job", etc etc

Wow, you sure are making us look stupid.

[Black Dog]

Wow, you sure are making us look stupid.

Trust me: "we" don't have to a thing to make you guys look stupid.

Whoops! My butler just rang me. Dinner is ready. We're having....babies!

[Jenna]

The pilot who shot down that plane no longer works for NORAD though, I'm assuming he got into some big trouble.

Did you just make that up. Probably...

QUOTE

Ceasar was assasinated because he was a monetary reformist. Same as Kennedy.

Noooo. Ceaser was assasinated because he was a military dictator who overthrew the Republican order.

Black Dog not that history, the alternate history. See those evil freemason's altered history.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

About as dumb as believing everything you read on a conspiracy website, and about as dumb as thinking the ADL doesn't know what it's talking about with regards to nazism, and about as dumb as believing mini nukes took out the WTC.

You're quite correct, mountains have facts have been provided in this thread, those who state otherwise are only trying to say that so those who step into the discussion at this point do not bother looking over the facts presented on earlier pages. That is the problem with such long threads people do not know what pages to view to see the facts presented so basically it becomes lost info again, thereby affording those dishonest brokers the opportunity to say it was not proven.

Anyway, here is another link to more information about all of this, that has a huge amount of links to government documents and other sources of indisputable information. In fact, it follows the chronology with 100's of supporting links.

Catchme the ADL probably has abit more experience in these matters then some conspiracy nuts.

The facts, aren't really facts, more like skewered truth which is only meant to setup a theory with very little basis in reality.

Thats stupid. You make Rome sound like a bunch of little children.

Thats it - no more answers to your posts. Your level of insult shows you to be of young mental age.

Not really, its stupid believing Ceasar was killed due to monetary reform. Obviously shows you're absolute lack of knowledge on history.

Catchme, Polynewbie, and Jenna, it's like a mentally challenged, tin foil, conspiracy theory, love triangle.

Non Canadian Blue, keep my name out your mouth.

Your opinion lost all value to me when you said that believing that 9/11 was an inside job resulted in me being a racist, or very close to it.

Once again, all you have provided are ramblings, stating nothing but your own personal opinon.

Why don't you try backing up some of the stuff that spews out of your mouth, which believe me, is a lot.

Your personal views = not very helpful or enlightening.

You're just mad that we've got you cornered.

and it shows.

[PolyNewbie]

It may even be a reasonable explanation. How do you explain the plane hitting the Pentagon at the exact spot where all kinds of suspicious financial transactions were being investigated ?

How do you explain Larry Silversteins "pull the building" phrase ? How do you explain Donald Rumsfeld admitting that the Pennslyvania flight was shot down ?

How do you explain three buildings collapsing perfectly straight down in one day when its never ever happened before except in controlled demolition ?

How do you explain the perfect symmetrical conventional controlled demolition of wtc 7 ?

How do you explain the fact that it was alomost 2 hours since the start of the hijackings and the last attack. but the entire US defences couldn't be called even after the second wtc hit. You would think they would launch those fighters from Andrews - why didn't they ?

Who benefitted from 911 ? Who really runs the United States - seriously - who do you think decides what the USA foreign policy is ?

Doesn't the Kennedy shooting tell you something ?

What about the lies about WMD ?

Remember when most Americans thought Saddam was in on 911 ? How did they ever get to think that ?

Larrty Silverstein got a big payout for the attacks- he made a huge profit. The city damage had to be paid for by the tax payers. The cops and firemen that responded didn't have proper breathing gear and are dying.

Many people will by dying in Iraq and the oil companies are getting rich, so are the weapon makers and of course the bankers (as always - richer than everyone else combined). They use lots of DU in Iraq and DU is incredibly dangerous - so much so that the Pentagon put a moratorium on mainstream reporting on DU. Lots of people are dying young from DU. Its the most dangerous aspect of going to Iraq. You know you are going to get sick - at least if you listen to Dr Doug Rokke who was in charge of DU safety in Iraq war #1.

[Canadian Blue]

We provide evidence, while you provide ignorant speculation.

"Oh, that probably meant this" and the like.

When I give you a link for something, you look for anything you can find to pounce on and call a crazy lie.

But when I post something that cannot be disputed whatsoever, you just don't comment at all.

Don't think I haven't noticed, it's happened at least 3 times now.

From what I can see, it seems like you're just afraid to have your world turned upside down on you, so you just pretend that it isnt real, and automatically deny whatever is presented to you.

And that's fine of course, to each their own.

But unless you have something concrete to present your arguements, you just help prove our point further.

And as far as I can tell, all you have is "no, the tv said that's not true", or "every doctor and scientist and professor claiming 9/11 was an inside job is a wack job", etc etc

Wow, you sure are making us look stupid.

If you're average critical thinking skills are half as poor as you're posts, then I don't think you are in any position to be providing proof. Seriously, I find it hard to even read that.

Going to a conspiracy website for proof, is like going to a neo-nazi website for information about the civil rights movement. It's just stupid, and you already know what the answer is going to be.

The reason why we find it hard to believe is because all of the evidence comes from these conspiracy websites and thats about it. The fighter shooting down United 93 is stupid, it has no truth to it.

Wow, you sure are making us look stupid.

It's not that hard to make you, catchme, and polynewbie, look stupid.

[Jenna]

We provide evidence, while you provide ignorant speculation.

"Oh, that probably meant this" and the like.

When I give you a link for something, you look for anything you can find to pounce on and call a crazy lie.

But when I post something that cannot be disputed whatsoever, you just don't comment at all.

Don't think I haven't noticed, it's happened at least 3 times now.

From what I can see, it seems like you're just afraid to have your world turned upside down on you, so you just pretend that it isnt real, and automatically deny whatever is presented to you.

And that's fine of course, to each their own.

But unless you have something concrete to present your arguements, you just help prove our point further.

And as far as I can tell, all you have is "no, the tv said that's not true", or "every doctor and scientist and professor claiming 9/11 was an inside job is a wack job", etc etc

Wow, you sure are making us look stupid.

If you're average critical thinking skills are half as poor as you're posts, then I don't think you are in any position to be providing proof. Seriously, I find it hard to even read that.

Going to a conspiracy website for proof, is like going to a neo-nazi website for information about the civil rights movement. It's just stupid, and you already know what the answer is going to be.

The reason why we find it hard to believe is because all of the evidence comes from these conspiracy websites and thats about it. The fighter shooting down United 93 is stupid, it has no truth to it.

Wow, you sure are making us look stupid.

It's not that hard to make you, catchme, and polynewbie, look stupid.

Um, it's actually your, not you're.

Look at you talking about love triangles and stupid nonsense.

I've been on here for what, 2 weeks maybe, and seen at least 5 other people who agree with us.

And those who disagree, are the same 4 or 5 people as well.

How are news casts and government websites "conspiracy websites"

I knew you didn't look at any of those links.

Typical.