BubberMiley Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 How long before we start slipping on this list, I wonder, given our New Government's military aggression and taking sides with Israel? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ernational/home Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Canuck E Stan Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 How long before we start slipping on this list, I wonder, given our New Government's military aggression and taking sides with Israel?http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ernational/home Two months for a poll? Poor guy, he must have been really tired having to talk to 1000 people living in 27 countries, in person and by phone. Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
geoffrey Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 How can people actually think that North Korea has a positive influence on the world? People are too stupid to be believed in polls like this. I could care less about how people perceived Canada, and even less when it's people like that. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Saturn Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 How can people actually think that North Korea has a positive influence on the world? People are too stupid to be believed in polls like this. I could care less about how people perceived Canada, and even less when it's people like that. Actually, when a third of your economy is exports, people's perceptions of you can be important. Would you prefer to buy something made in the UK or in North Korea? Quote
leonardcohen Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 It is time Canada stopped worrying about how the rest of the world perceives us and stop basing our actions on the world stage on what might happen if we're not in lockstep with the majority. The most popular course of action is not always the right one. A person who is concerned mainly with pleasing everyone doesn't please anyone. The only thing that should concern a government is the best interests of it's own people. Quote Whatever Thy Hand Finds To Do- Do With All Thy Might!
guyser Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Two months for a poll? Poor guy, he must have been really tired having to talk to 1000 people living in 27 countries, in person and by phone. 28,000 people asked to rate the countries. That is pretty good. Quote
geoffrey Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Actually, when a third of your economy is exports, people's perceptions of you can be important. Would you prefer to buy something made in the UK or in North Korea? If we sold lots of cucumbers and t-shirts then yes, the average ignorant consumer can be dangerous. But most of Canada's exports are natural resources or industrial product, and those people will buy it because it's the best value, not because Canada is a world leader or anything like that. Look at China, a terrible human rights record, most of their people live in poverty... and yet they still manage to export lots. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Catchme Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 How long before we start slipping on this list, I wonder, given our New Government's military aggression and taking sides with Israel?http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ernational/home One would think our NEW government is trying to make us slip, eh? After all they are always saying: Canadians are stupid, Canada is a thrid rate country, etc etc..perhaps they want to make us what they believe we are? That canada is number one, again illistrates that Canadians are not stupid and we as a peoples in our country have been making the correct decisions for ourselves historically. It is certainly sad, that the Harper government, and their supporters, want to destroy a country that is ranked number 1 in the world. Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Mad_Michael Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Before any Canadians go on and gloat about this (as they tend to do) just remember that this poll only suggests that every other country on the planet has a worse international reputation. Canada's reputation is little to be proud of, only that it is perceived to be less obnoxious than all the others. Quote
guyser Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 It is certainly sad, that the Harper government, and their supporters, want to destroy a country that is ranked number 1 in the world. Dont fall into the right wing trap. That statement is exactly what you hear out of the south. Neither Harper nor the Cons want to destroy this country. Change it maybe, but not willfully destroy it Quote
Mad_Michael Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 It is certainly sad, that the Harper government, and their supporters, want to destroy a country that is ranked number 1 in the world. Dont fall into the right wing trap. That statement is exactly what you hear out of the south. Neither Harper nor the Cons want to destroy this country. Change it maybe, but not willfully destroy it Agreed. Harper doesn't actually want to destroy the country - that is absurd. However, his policies could have that unintended effect. Most politicians really don't understand the actual policy ramifications of their own favoured policies. To use the American example, GWBush actually thought he was 'helping' the victims of Katrina and 'liberating' the Iraqis. He honestly believes those things. Quote
Catchme Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 It is certainly sad, that the Harper government, and their supporters, want to destroy a country that is ranked number 1 in the world. Dont fall into the right wing trap. That statement is exactly what you hear out of the south. Neither Harper nor the Cons want to destroy this country. Change it maybe, but not willfully destroy it No, I let my use of destroy it stand, the changes they are making or want to make, are not is what need to be changed. Further, their continued move towards deep integration and a a North American union is wilful destruction of Canada. Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Nocrap Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 How long before we start slipping on this list, I wonder, given our New Government's military aggression and taking sides with Israel? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ernational/home One would think our NEW government is trying to make us slip, eh? After all they are always saying: Canadians are stupid, Canada is a thrid rate country, etc etc..perhaps they want to make us what they believe we are? That canada is number one, again illistrates that Canadians are not stupid and we as a peoples in our country have been making the correct decisions for ourselves historically. It is certainly sad, that the Harper government, and their supporters, want to destroy a country that is ranked number 1 in the world. I agree. I have always been proud to be Canadian and absolutely hate Harper is doing to our country. If he ever gets a majority I'm sure well be flying the stars and stripes, or at least share ranking with the US. Quote
BC_chick Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 What I found really interesting about people's response about Canada, was that 54% of people had a favourable view, while something like 14 or 15% had a negative view. Unlike all the other countries, we seem to have a huge gap of ambivalence towards us. LOL I think it's because most of the people don't have a clue about us and they just responded Yes or No to sound like they did. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Hydraboss Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 No, I let my use of destroy it stand, the changes they are making or want to make, are not is what need to be changed. So what, exactly, are the changes that need to be made? What are the items you feel are so damn important? Why is it that if Harper's "view of Canada" differs from yours, it must automatically be wrong? Saying that Harper is trying to destroy Canada is about as general as saying that Johnny Crouton hated western Canadians so he brought in the gun registry, and he hated all Canadians so he let Jane Stewart squander $1 billion dollars, and he hated the military so he cancelled their helicopters, and he hated Canada so he lied about getting rid of the GST. Do you see how ridiculous your assertions are? Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
blueblood Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 No, I let my use of destroy it stand, the changes they are making or want to make, are not is what need to be changed. So what, exactly, are the changes that need to be made? What are the items you feel are so damn important? Why is it that if Harper's "view of Canada" differs from yours, it must automatically be wrong? Saying that Harper is trying to destroy Canada is about as general as saying that Johnny Crouton hated western Canadians so he brought in the gun registry, and he hated all Canadians so he let Jane Stewart squander $1 billion dollars, and he hated the military so he cancelled their helicopters, and he hated Canada so he lied about getting rid of the GST. Do you see how ridiculous your assertions are? Ridiculous like Stephane Dion wanting to turn our country into one like Venezuela if he gets a majority. Good Point though. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Mad_Michael Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Ridiculous like Stephane Dion wanting to turn our country into one like Venezuela if he gets a majority. Good Point though. Yes a good point. But Dion and his supporters have never even suggested anything remotely similar to Venezuela. Harper and his supporters have mused about banning abortions, banning same-sex marriage, prayer in schools, loyalty oaths, anti-immigrant policies, etc. Ergo, there is grounds to the critique of Harper. Far-fetched, but rational grounds. No so with Dion. There is a difference here. Quote
Canadian Blue Posted March 6, 2007 Report Posted March 6, 2007 Harper and his supporters have mused about banning abortions, banning same-sex marriage, prayer in schools, loyalty oaths, anti-immigrant policies, etc. I've never heard Harper say anything about that, and even on banning abortions and banning same-sex marriage, you will hear the same views from individual members on the Liberal bench and on the Conservative bench. As for hating Canada, well that's such an absurd argument since it can be argued anyone of any political stripe hates Canada. Personally people who make such juvenile comment's ought to get out more and realize that not everybody that doesn't vote the same way they do are not evil Nazis or commies trying to destroy this country. That goes for both sides of the spectrum. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
sideshow Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 Harper and his supporters have mused about banning abortions, banning same-sex marriage, prayer in schools, loyalty oaths, anti-immigrant policies, etc. I've never heard Harper say anything about that, and even on banning abortions and banning same-sex marriage, you will hear the same views from individual members on the Liberal bench and on the Conservative bench. As for hating Canada, well that's such an absurd argument since it can be argued anyone of any political stripe hates Canada. Personally people who make such juvenile comment's ought to get out more and realize that not everybody that doesn't vote the same way they do are not evil Nazis or commies trying to destroy this country. That goes for both sides of the spectrum. Wow an intelligent thought that doesn't reek of sarcasm. Refreshing. And couldn't agree more. Quote
newbie Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 To use the American example, GWBush actually thought he was 'helping' the victims of Katrina and 'liberating' the Iraqis. He honestly believes those things. He has to or he wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Quote
Catchme Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 How long before we start slipping on this list, I wonder, given our New Government's military aggression and taking sides with Israel? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ernational/home One would think our NEW government is trying to make us slip, eh? After all they are always saying: Canadians are stupid, Canada is a third rate country, etc etc..perhaps they want to make us what they believe we are? That Canada is number one, again illistrates that Canadians are not stupid and we as a peoples in our country have been making the correct decisions for ourselves historically. It is certainly sad, that the Harper government, and their supporters, want to destroy a country that is ranked number 1 in the world. I agree. I have always been proud to be Canadian and absolutely hate Harper is doing to our country. If he ever gets a majority I'm sure well be flying the stars and stripes, or at least share ranking with the US. He does not even have a majority and he is trying to get the stars and stripes here with his secret deep integration meetings. If he gets a majority, you are going to hate what he is doing a whole lot more than his current trying to with his stacking the judiciary, halting environmental protection actions, closing down the court challenges program, closing down Status of women offices that are hugely negatively impacting women and childrens shelters, and programs, changing the combat orders to Afghanistan, ordering billions worth of military equipment with no contract bids, lowing the level of political discourse to a disgusting and embarrassing level, trying to allow asbestos into the manufacture of childrens toys, using national security information to play lying dirty politics, and the list could go on.... Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
na85 Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 A lot of the things of which you accuse Harper can be equally applied to liberal candidates, namely lowing the level of political discourse to a disgusting and embarrassing level Quote
Canadian Blue Posted March 7, 2007 Report Posted March 7, 2007 Wow an intelligent thought that doesn't reek of sarcasm. Refreshing. And couldn't agree more. Yeah, I mean I'm a member of the New Democrats, and I for the most part can't stand some of the pure rhetoric which we hear from both sides of the spectrum. It's pure tribal politics and nothing more, I don't have any doubt that Layton, Dion, May, and Harper, all love Canada. It's just that they have different views of how it should run, and I'm not about to infuse childish name calling since all it does is bring down the level of actual debate about the issues. My point can't be made any more clear. He does not even have a majority and he is trying to get the stars and stripes here with his secret deep integration meetings. If their so "secret", then why do you know about it? Either way, when people start talking about how much they love Canada by bashing someone for having different political views I just shake my head. I'm getting sick of the "flag waving patriots" in general because they are the epitome of the ignorance and arrogance which is dividing this country, and an example of the partisan politics which does nothing to bring about harmony. In another thread a person was paranoid about Harper creating a Republic, and I had to give the her the definition of a Republic. It's all juvenile, and people are making claims without knowing what they are talking about. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
noahbody Posted March 9, 2007 Report Posted March 9, 2007 How long before we start slipping on this list, I wonder, given our New Government's military aggression and taking sides with Israel?http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ernational/home How dare Harper side with an ally over a terrorist organization. Quote
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