the american-nazi connection

obsidian · March 5, 2007

i think the US is doing the exact same thing as the nazis

-their getting involved in unpopular wars, without public support, or int'l support

-its like when hitler invaded poland, and nothing was done, same as afghanistan and especially iraq

-the nazi's relied heavily on propoganda to muster the approval they could get, they became very effective and convinced the entire population it was worth dying for his aerian ideals

-the nazis identified a broad category, which they cold blame for anything they wanted, the jews. america has now done this with terrorists, the majority of americans believe that it's not a select few terrorist groups, but the entire region. including all of islam, and peoples of the muslim faith

-both Bush and Hitler came into power in unusual circumstances, the Reichstag and vote rigging

-whether you believe it or not, the US is constantly stockpiling weapons just as germany had, except they've been doing it for 50+ years. to put this into perspective, last year the us spent 400 billion on the military, the next most spend was russia, which was 60 billion, followed by china which spends 40 billion. they spend 4x as much as a country whos GDP and foreign investment has surpassed the US...

-both countries purposely devalued their currency, germany was infamous for hyper-inflation. right now the USD is worth 4 cents of what it was in the 30's. the us abondoned the gold standard long long ago.

-both countries went into debt, Americas TOTAL DEBT is now estimated at approximetly 58 trillion. the federal debt is 9.7 trillion by itself. and the us govt owns foreign countries over 2.1 trillion

-both countries used media distortion to their advantage, idealizing the "courageous" soldiers, the american culture, isolating the public from the rest of the world, and only reporting, for the most part, on the victories

-neither country really knew it was happening, except for a minority, until it was to late. there were countless warnings to the US, Britain, and France of hitlers plan, YEARS BEFORE, and none of them acted. they had even planned a coup to get hitler out of power, they approached britain asking them to be involved in getting rid of hitler, churchill denied them.

-both cases were preventable, but too few people actually knew what was going on in the macrocosm to coreleate what was going on in their microcosm.

-both coigned phrases, like heil hitler, and now the war on terror, muslim extremist to use to their advantage to shape the minds of the public. creating a distorted image of what was really happening in the world. it created an evil picture in their mind, one they had to eliminate.

-both of the populations submitted to fear, and became subserviant. the media in the US is solely focused on either american idol(im serious), fear mongering, or claiming they saved us from a potential bullshit attack

-the leaders lied, and said the war was about protecting themselves. not world domination.

-the leaders lied about the real reason for the war, whether its the war on terror, or nuclear proliferation.

and its interesting to know that the US brought in many nazi officials standing for war crimes, to the us, to advise them. to learn how they were able to do what they did. Goebells admitted that most of his inspiration came from Edward Bernays books "crystalizing the will" and "propoganda". which, in detail, describe what Hitler did to get support, and what the US is now doing to get support. Bernays, live in the US until his death in 1995. he was involved with the united fruit company (evil banana republic creating corporation) and the american dental association in approving the use of fluoridization of the water. the cia learned greatly from the nazi war criminals, and it is now public domain that the US HIRED NAZI WAR CRIMINALS.

"For example, current records show that at least five associates of the notorious Nazi Adolf Eichmann worked for the CIA, 23 other Nazis were approached by the CIA for recruitment, and at least 100 officers within the Gehlen organization were former SD or Gestapo officers."- Richard Breitman, Norman Goda, Timothy Naftali, and Robert Wolfe, U.S. Intelligence and the Nazis, (Washington, DC: National Archive Trust Fund Board, 2004), 377.

the US learned from their mistakes, they know they cant take the whole world at once. since the 50's the US has been taking over the 3rd n 2nd worlds economies, instead of using military force, which would draw int'l retaliation. the US is now in the final stages of their plan, the only opposition can come from the unconquered countries, who in most cases, dont matter either way because theyre economically starved and the US would crush them, if they used the true force of their arsenal. the US knows they wont have public support with alot of deaths, so thats what theyve focused on. you now have something around a 98% survival rate if your found within 5 minutes. this means that the most important issue of the american public has been taken care of. we now stand on the brinks of this proposed new world order, mention by bush sr, gw bush, reagan, many military documents, and countless others. it is even written in latin on the one dollar bill. the question is, will china and russia, with the support of venezuela among other countries, attempt to prevent this? yes they will, history has dictated this outcome 100% of the time, now we can just sit and wait

White Doors · March 5, 2007

i think the US is doing the exact same thing as the nazis

You do, do you? let's see if you can back it up.

-their getting involved in unpopular wars, without public support, or int'l support

The people of Germany supported Hitler for the most part initially.

so wrong on that count.

-its like when hitler invaded poland, and nothing was done, same as afghanistan and especially iraq

Nothing was done? The commonwealth and France (and others) declared war on Germany. How do you count that as nothing was done? Wrong again.

-the nazi's relied heavily on propoganda to muster the approval they could get, they became very effective and convinced the entire population it was worth dying for his aerian ideals

Aryan. Yes they did. How does this relate to the US?

-both Bush and Hitler came into power in unusual circumstances, the Reichstag and vote rigging

vote rigging? It has been legitimized over and over again. The democrats lost.

get over it.

-whether you believe it or not, the US is constantly stockpiling weapons just as germany had, except they've been doing it for 50+ years. to put this into perspective, last year the us spent 400 billion on the military, the next most spend was russia, which was 60 billion, followed by china which spends 40 billion. they spend 4x as much as a country whos GDP and foreign investment has surpassed the US...

They spend 3.4% of their GDP on defence. And Who's GDp has surpassed the US?

Are you lying or do you just not know?

-both countries purposely devalued their currency, germany was infamous for hyper-inflation. right now the USD is worth 4 cents of what it was in the 30's. the us abondoned the gold standard long long ago.

Money markets determine the value of the currency. It is a fiat currency. What is your point?

-both countries went into debt, Americas TOTAL DEBT is now estimated at approximetly 58 trillion. the federal debt is 9.7 trillion by itself. and the us govt owns foreign countries over 2.1 trillion

Point? Most European countries have a higher Debt/GDP ratio that the US. That is what economists use to see if it is a problem or not. Canada's was int he early 1990's. Much higher than the USA's is now. Were/Are we Nazi's? Does that make the EU a Nazi state too?

-both countries used media distortion to their advantage, idealizing the "courageous" soldiers, the american culture, isolating the public from the rest of the world, and only reporting, for the most part, on the victories

haha.. good one. The media, especially the print media has a HATE ON for Bush. Obviously your knowledge of history is lacking. They are not comparable in the least.

-neither country really knew it was happening, except for a minority, until it was to late. there were countless warnings to the US, Britain, and France of hitlers plan, YEARS BEFORE, and none of them acted. they had even planned a coup to get hitler out of power, they approached britain asking them to be involved in getting rid of hitler, churchill denied them.

Dude, get over yourself. You are not some sort of pariah that is saving the world. The one's that didn't act was the lefties. Churchill only came to power after the war started. But I'm sure you know that?

It was Chamberlain.

I have rarely seen one post on here do full of ignoranance and hate.

You need a refresher in history my young little buddy.

you are embarrassing yourself.

the rest of your post is not even worth responding to.

M.Dancer · March 5, 2007

I'm amazed that anyone has the patience to go over and respond to posts like that. My eyes just usually glaze over at the first sign of tin foil....

White Doors · March 5, 2007

I guess I can't resist an easy target?

obsidian · March 5, 2007

1. i wrote this in like 2 minutes, without referring to any of my sources or notes, thankyou white doors for bringing that to my attention. i would of elaborated more, but i feel a academic essay could be written on nearly any of the subjects i had mentioned. for the most part i am unfamiliar with formal writing and im hoping to improve. but lets not let this get in the way, i will begin changing it....right now.

2 "The people of Germany supported Hitler for the most part initially. so wrong on that count."

when i said this i meant that it was not the will of the people that caused ww2 happen, but the will of hitler. hitler manipulated the people to get them into a frenzy, they were experiencing economic and social hardships, which hitler gave them a manufactured answer too. he promised security and prosperity after the war, and claimed that the source of all the problems were the jews.

today us foreign policy is dictated by the elimination of this terrorist threat, the "war on terror". this time the US public wasn't facing economic hardships, or any significant problems which abolished there will to wage war. the public had no reason to justify an unjust war. hitler used a real problems and super-imposed a false doctrine upon them. the US public gave initial support for the war, and now support is dwindling. terrorism fills the same role as the jews did. WHETHER OR NOT you believe a conspiracy was involved, or it was a legitimate attack, the truth is the situation is being taken advantage of in the exact same way hitler used the treaty of versailles, the jews, and the reichstag.

3 "Nothing was done? The commonwealth and France (and others) declared war on Germany. How do you count that as nothing was done? Wrong again."

this one is simply explained. i was drawing the connection to the appeasement strategy france and england had used to confront germany to the international reaction to the united states invasion of afghanistan and iraq. i meant to type Czechoslovakia, im sorry.

4 "Aryan. Yes they did. How does this relate to the US?"

Once again i apologize for the mispelling of aryan, as i said before i wrote this in 2 minutes. i find that any post that is more than 800 words people tend not to read.

this relates directly to the united states. the media in germany only focused on the german ideal, german culture, patriotizing heroes, and the war effort. if you watch any of the main media news networks in the united states like MSNBC ,CNN or Fox you will find the same thing occuring. american news only features american stories. they may release a 30 second clip about whats going on somewhere else, but even when they do that it is 75% of the time linked to the war on terror. the US worked with ex-nazis and learned how they manipulated the will of the people, and now (for a while now) they are implementing what they have learned. and if i do say so myself, they have been quite successful. otherwise i wouldnt be proving this to you, and countless others.

5 vote rigging? It has been legitimized over and over again. The democrats lost.

get over it.

whether you like it or not, not letting tens of thousands vote in florida affected the election. do you remember how close it was? the election was split 50.5% to 49.5%. how can you think those votes didnt make a differnce, and how in your mind is that not rigging the election? here in canada, if you remember correctly, the cbc was reporting that al gore had won. it wasnt until fox (owned by the bush's) began reporting that bush had won did other networks follow suit, not wanting to appear out of the loop.

"These ultimately ended in a December 12 5-4 United States Supreme Court decision which ended the Florida recounts and allowed Florida to certify its vote, which was 8-7 among Florida electoral representatives and Bush up to viable January 20 tallies, and award its 25 electoral votes to George W. Bush. The nine members of the Supreme Court voted along party lines in the split decision, suggesting that partisan politics had infiltrated the nation's highest court."

either way, this is still undisputed, as we all know supreme court judges are appointed by political parties, and have allegiances to said political parties. if it makes you feel safer, warmer, or happier to just accept that it wasn't rigged, so be it. it doesn't make a difference, we know have a "war time president" (his own words) in power.

6 "They spend 3.4% of their GDP on defence. And Who's GDp has surpassed the US?

Are you lying or do you just not know?"

once again, i wrote this without refference to any of my notes or sources. china has now surpassed the US in foreign investment, not GDP, but they are well on their way. but still, $400 billion military budget, is excessive. you may say its not because of the percentage of their GDP they spend, but it's all relative. the country that spends the next most money on defence is more than 4 times less, the 3rd most spent on the military is 10 times less.

7 "Money markets determine the value of the currency. It is a fiat currency. What is your point?"

i guess there was no point to this.

8 "Point? Most European countries have a higher Debt/GDP ratio that the US. That is what economists use to see if it is a problem or not. Canada's was int he early 1990's. Much higher than the USA's is now. Were/Are we Nazi's? Does that make the EU a Nazi state too?"

my point is that the US most likely wont pay off all of its foreign debts, i just dont think it's feasible. the US has 500 billion in circulation and 200 billion of reserves. so thats like 58 trillion divided by 500 billion, so like around 116 times more than there actual money in circulation, and approx 300 times more then their actual reserves. then again everythin is floating exchange rates now, is there some loop hole for them to get out of this debt? i wasnt saying all countries that were in debt are nazis, and im not saying that the US are nazis, just that theyre using the same strategy minus the jews...the US is in these conflicts to maintain their global hegemony, not gain one. that is also another key differnce. the US is still a reserve currency used by many nations, as soon as it switched from the petrodollar to something else, their hegemony is at stake. and believe me, they are willing to protect it (ex. iraq).

9 "haha.. good one. The media, especially the print media has a HATE ON for Bush. Obviously your knowledge of history is lacking. They are not comparable in the least."

yet we are still at war, without public support. the main point is, the majority of the people dont read print media. the majority in the US dont read anything. they get their oppinions from 2 min news clips from CNN, MSNBC, and Fox which for the most part, are pro-bush, and if not pro-bush, still supportive of his international policy.

10 "Dude, get over yourself. You are not some sort of pariah that is saving the world. The one's that didn't act was the lefties. Churchill only came to power after the war started. But I'm sure you know that?

It was Chamberlain."

yes once again "my bad". i meant Neville Chamberlain, im sorry i just guess my association with ww2 and churchill is so deeply ingrained, because thats all we learnt about in school. i don't think im going to save the world, id like too, but its not all that realistic. i watched a documentary on the history channel (will find it) in which it was made apparent the allies had been warned several times of the hitlers intentions.

M.Dancer · March 5, 2007

Eyes glaze over.....

obsidian · March 5, 2007

yup if any of you BOTHERED to read it, your eyes would be open and attentive, not glazed over

if all of you are to stuck up to look past the initial mistakes i made, then i guess i have learned my lesson. treat people as if they are idiots and not let them draw their own conclusions, and spoon feed it to them.

i could write 15, 000 word essay for you, i would include citations, and properly formatted. but what would that do, none of you would read it.

and i think all of the rebuttals i mentioned are valid and logical.

M.Dancer · March 5, 2007

Ummm.......?

please explain why I should bother to read something that you can't be bothered either to take time to research or to write coherently?

I have no doubt you could write 15,000 words, all I ask is if you do, try not to sound whacked out on speed.

Canadian Blue · March 5, 2007

-the nazi's relied heavily on propoganda to muster the approval they could get, they became very effective and convinced the entire population it was worth dying for his aerian ideals

Aryan ideals, and apparently the "propaganda" has been failing since Bush is at an all time low in popular opinion. Not to mention candidates who want troop withdrawal are getting quite a bit of support.

-both Bush and Hitler came into power in unusual circumstances, the Reichstag and vote rigging

That's the electoral college for you. By the way people should have been able to tell the difference between Pat Buchanan and John Kerry on the ballot.

2006 midterm election anyone.

-whether you believe it or not, the US is constantly stockpiling weapons just as germany had, except they've been doing it for 50+ years. to put this into perspective, last year the us spent 400 billion on the military, the next most spend was russia, which was 60 billion, followed by china which spends 40 billion. they spend 4x as much as a country whos GDP and foreign investment has surpassed the US...

Yeah their was this thing called the Cold War, it was between the former USSR and most western nations.

-neither country really knew it was happening, except for a minority, until it was to late. there were countless warnings to the US, Britain, and France of hitlers plan, YEARS BEFORE, and none of them acted. they had even planned a coup to get hitler out of power, they approached britain asking them to be involved in getting rid of hitler, churchill denied them.

Bush is no Hitler, and to say so is an insult to the Jew's and oppressed who actually had to live under nazism. Bush will be leaving within a two years.

-both coigned phrases, like heil hitler, and now the war on terror, muslim extremist to use to their advantage to shape the minds of the public. creating a distorted image of what was really happening in the world. it created an evil picture in their mind, one they had to eliminate.

But their are muslim extremists in the middle east. Ever hear of Beirut in 82, or for a matter of fact that last 10 years in the middle east.

-the leaders lied, and said the war was about protecting themselves. not world domination.

Yeah, we sure are dominating the world in that shithole Afghanistan. As for Iraq, it was a massive blunder, and I doubt it's about world domination, as the US would have to knock out more countries than Iraq in order to dominate the world.

the US learned from their mistakes, they know they cant take the whole world at once. since the 50's the US has been taking over the 3rd n 2nd worlds economies, instead of using military force, which would draw int'l retaliation. the US is now in the final stages of their plan, the only opposition can come from the unconquered countries, who in most cases, dont matter either way because theyre economically starved and the US would crush them, if they used the true force of their arsenal. the US knows they wont have public support with alot of deaths, so thats what theyve focused on. you now have something around a 98% survival rate if your found within 5 minutes. this means that the most important issue of the american public has been taken care of. we now stand on the brinks of this proposed new world order, mention by bush sr, gw bush, reagan, many military documents, and countless others. it is even written in latin on the one dollar bill. the question is, will china and russia, with the support of venezuela among other countries, attempt to prevent this? yes they will, history has dictated this outcome 100% of the time, now we can just sit and wait

Yeah, China, Russia, and Venezuela, have always been shining lights of democracy and human rights in the world.

As well if you haven't noticed their hasn't been much support for the war effort lately, ever notice those public opinion polls down in the US which say Bush has an approval rating of 30%. Plus I believe that some presidential candidates are asking for a withdrawal, so instead of setting up some coup in the United States, why don't we allow the American's to do their own thing. As I'm sure we'd see a major war if Russia or China attempted to get rid of Bush.

Common sense people...

Canadian Blue · March 5, 2007

Is anybody else getting sick of these tinfoil rants on this website, it seems their is a new one every single day.

White Doors · March 5, 2007

terrorism fills the same role as the jews did.

So? This does not make the terrorist threat non-existent.

this relates directly to France. the media in germany only focused on the german ideal, german culture, patriotizing heroes, and the war effort. if you watch any of the main media news networks in France like all the French TV you will find the same thing occuring. French news only features French stories. they may release a 30 second clip about whats going on somewhere else, but even when they do that it is 75% of the time linked to the price of grapes. France worked with nazis (ie: while they were still nazis') and learned how they manipulated the will of the people, and now (for a while now) they are implementing what they have learned. and if i do say so myself, they have been quite successful. otherwise i wouldnt be proving this to you, and countless others.

What were you PROVING again?

lol

whether you like it or not, not letting tens of thousands vote in florida affected the election. do you remember how close it was? the election was split 50.5% to 49.5%. how can you think those votes didnt make a differnce, and how in your mind is that not rigging the election? here in canada, if you remember correctly, the cbc was reporting that al gore had won. it wasnt until fox (owned by the bush's) began reporting that bush had won did other networks follow suit, not wanting to appear out of the loop.

If they were able to pull this off how do you explain the democrats winning the past mid term elections? The vote rigging guys forgot there was an election perhaps?

once again, i wrote this without refference to any of my notes or sources. china has now surpassed the US in foreign investment, not GDP, but they are well on their way. but still, $400 billion military budget, is excessive. you may say its not because of the percentage of their GDP they spend, but it's all relative. the country that spends the next most money on defence is more than 4 times less, the 3rd most spent on the military is 10 times less

What YOU think is irrelevant. I'm glad they spend that much. I'd rather them be dominate militarily than say, China. How about you?

my point is that the US most likely wont pay off all of its foreign debts, i just dont think it's feasible.

What you THINK is irrelevant. If this is true then you better be even more worried about Europe. Somehow I don't think you are as it just doesn't fit your little 'thesis' does it?

yet we are still at war, without public support. the main point is, the majority of the people dont read print media. the majority in the US dont read anything. they get their oppinions from 2 min news clips from CNN, MSNBC, and Fox which for the most part, are pro-bush, and if not pro-bush, still supportive of his international policy.

How do you know what American's don't and do read? You commission a poll? If they don't read how did they answer your poll? The quesiton here is do YOU read? From the quality of your posts I'd say there are still Archie comics in arms reach of your toilet.

because thats all we learnt about in school

You should have payed more attention.

i watched a documentary on the history channel (will find it) in which it was made apparent the allies had been warned several times of the hitlers intentions

And the people of the same political stripe that ignored the threat of Hitler in the 1930's are the same one's screaming that the biggest threat to world peace is Bush and the terrorists 'don't really mean it'

You add it up.

obsidian · March 5, 2007

once again i dont think any of you took the time to actually read what i had typed. you may be ignorant, but economically the US owns the world. for the most part the US uses black ops to carry out missions, either by funding/organizing a coup. when they are succesful we dont hear about them any more. the govt doesnt allow any reporting of the wars during them, like panama. the us only needs to call in its military when the cia fails. it's what happened in vietnam, the cia had been helping the french, and after they withdrew they needed back up. vietnam was a war to eat up US resources, supported by the communists. only after they had concluded the cia were ineffective did they send in the military. the bay of tonkin incident is not fact.

and they did the same with iraq and afghanistan. in both countries there had been attempted and succesful coups. the 1st gulf war was designed to get at iraqi oil, since it had been nationalized. the 1st attempted coup failed, then the gulf war. then 12 years of sanctions, to get rid of saddam, so the people would blame him and he would no longer be in power. then the US could come in and get all the oil.

iraq invaded kuwait because kuwait stole iraqi oil by slant drilling, not to take over the middle east.

obsidian · March 5, 2007

ok, they are similarities whether you say so or not.

thats all i was trying to show.

White Doors · March 5, 2007

once again i dont think any of you took the time to actually read what i had typed. you may be ignorant, but economically the US owns the world

Wait... didn't you just say they were poor and in debt?

Which is it?

then the US could come in and get all the oil.

What was the price of oil in 2002? What is the price now?

Does that make sense to you?

iraq invaded kuwait because kuwait stole iraqi oil by slant drilling, not to take over the middle east.

Really? I thought Saddam invaded Kuwait because he claimed it was really an Iraqi province?

haha

ok, they are similarities whether you say so or not.

Oh, so what you really mean here is that there are similarities because YOU say so.

I see.

M.Dancer · March 5, 2007

The slant drilling claim sound nice but is very hard to prove

obsidian · March 5, 2007

i really wish you all would pay more attention to my other thread (central insurgency agency) that i didnt pull out of my ass cuz i was bored. i'll ADMIT this thesis is flawed, but i still see that there are similarites, not neccesairly connections. and thats all i was trying to do.

White Doors · March 5, 2007

Well as long as you can admit that we're all good.

obsidian · March 5, 2007

the us as a whole is poor, however the corporate elite are VERY rich, and the govt serves them, not the people. the majority of all profits go to the already super rich.

and hey, plz post criticism on my other thread that is actually based on substance and facts, not just me drawing similarities between 2 regimes.

im no longer posting on this thread.

White Doors · March 5, 2007

the us as a whole is poor, however the corporate elite are VERY rich, and the govt serves them, not the people. the majority of all profits go to the already super rich.
and hey, plz post criticism on my other thread that is actually based on substance and facts, not just me drawing similarities between 2 regimes.

im no longer posting on this thread.

If the US is poor, what are we?

PolyNewbie · March 5, 2007

Read Webster Tarpleys book Georhe Bush: The Unauthorized Biography its available online here and lays it all out: Tarpley's site

Its free. I've read bits of it and its is packed full of verfifiable & falsifiable info.

Argus · March 5, 2007

ok, they are similarities whether you say so or not.
thats all i was trying to show.

Hitler had a dog.

George Bush has a dog.

Coincidence? I - think not!!!

sunsettommy · March 6, 2007

yup if any of you BOTHERED to read it, your eyes would be open and attentive, not glazed over
if all of you are to stuck up to look past the initial mistakes i made, then i guess i have learned my lesson. treat people as if they are idiots and not let them draw their own conclusions, and spoon feed it to them.

i could write 15, 000 word essay for you, i would include citations, and properly formatted. but what would that do, none of you would read it.

and i think all of the rebuttals i mentioned are valid and logical.

Well gee you go on and on and on and on.

Plus no sources or links.

Please make your postings shorter.

obsidian · March 6, 2007

i said i was no longer posting on this thread -.-, whats the point, maybe later ill get the citations but there are better ways for me to spend my time.

DONE

Frankie · March 15, 2007

Obsidian is right. This is exactly what's going on. A lot of you who posted are so scared of the truth, that you deny yourself of it, and shut him down. You live better with the fantasy, what can I say. I've looked into it, researched, and found out for my self everything thats going on. And talked to countless people, who are aware of what's going on. This is a time of the masses waking up. I can write 15,000 words, but my lunch break is almost over. So I'll just leave with some things that can start you off.

First off, there are some links I'd like to provide:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-23...99&q=Conspiracy