Two Non-Multi-Cult Stories, or Mixing it Up and Making It

[jbg]

Excerpted below are two stories of African-Americans who understand that illustrate that racial minorities can, if they try become valuable contributors to themselves and society, and that there are higher goals than being a victim. Multiculturalism encourages victimhood, while integration encourages accomplishment, and maximal contribution by all to society. In the first story, the son of an alchoholic, abusive father has become an extraordinarily hard working principal of a racially diverse school. He has made New Rochelle, New York a better place for all. The second story has a 21 year old who grew up in foster care living in his own apartment and working two jobs to support himself and get ahead.

Multiculturalism brings the worst parts of all minority cultures to Canada, with little of the discipline that make the originating societies "work" to any extent. Frankly, the fact that they emigrated should mean they want someothing better than what they had.

These people are contributors, and shining examples to all, not only to minorities.

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(Original publication: February 21, 2007)

New Rochelle principal puts his all into job

By KEN VALENTI

THE JOURNAL NEWS (Link)

When Joseph Williams was about 13, waiting to get into a recreation center in the Bronx, he took a ribbing for carrying a book in his back pocket.

He transfixed the other basketball players with his description of his reading matter, "Manchild in the Promised Land," Claude Brown's account of rising from crime and poverty in Harlem that begins with the narrator as a teenager being shot while in a fish-and-chips joint. He still remembers what one friend told him then.

"He said, 'You know Jo-Jo, you're gonna be different from us,' " Williams recalled. "He said, 'You read, you do well in school. You're going to go on, you're going to go on to college. You're not going to be like us.' "

Three years later, the friend was in prison for attempted rape. Williams was on his way to a life in education. Now 44, Williams is the principal of Daniel Webster Magnet School in New Rochelle and is married with two sons. He said he feels the pressure to succeed more than for just himself and his family.

*snip*

"That is my goal; that my children will have a better life than I have," he said.

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Hastings man making it on his own after growing up at Children's Village

Original publication: February 28, 2007

By LEAH RAE

THE JOURNAL NEWS (link)

Ronnell McFadden says he's used to people looking at him with lower expectations. He knows that people on the street may not see past the color of his skin and that others get suspicious when they hear where he grew up - in a foster-care institution, separated from a mother with a drug addiction and a father he never knew.

But when McFadden tells his own story, he keeps circling back to one main point:

"I know I can do anything that I put my mind to. I'm proud that I think that way. I'm proud of myself that I know that."

"Sky's the limit" is how McFadden describes life, at 21, with an apartment and a job, working in sanitation for the village of Hastings.

*snip*

About two years ago, McFadden moved off campus to a supervised, shared apartment in Yonkers, then found his own place near the Hastings-Yonkers border. At 21, McFadden has officially "aged out" of foster care. He supports himself with a full-time sanitation job at the Hastings Department of Public Works and has a part-time job at Stop & Shop.

[madmax]

Exactly when did these people arrive in the United States?

[jbg]

Exactly when did these people arrive in the United States?

Probably born here, but members of a distinct minority. They've done a darn sight better at integrating than your Jamaicans, Somalians, First Nations and South Asians, certainly far better than their second and third generations.

[Catchme]

Wow, what a great story of assimulation working, that one example who is most likely a decendant of slaves, now has freedom. Freedom to work 1 and half jobs in order to survive. Now that's assimulation for ya heh?!

Plus, there is the fact that your stories have absolutely nothing to do with assimulation vs multi-culturalism. I can give you 10's of thousands of examples of how actually succcesssful multi-culturalism is in Canada, that by far out strip the successes in your little stories.

[jbg]

Wow, what a great story of assimulation working, that one example who is most likely a decendant of slaves, now has freedom. Freedom to work 1 and half jobs in order to survive. Now that's assimulation for ya heh?!

Far better than collecting EI.

[jbg]

I can give you 10's of thousands of examples of how actually succcesssful multi-culturalism is in Canada, that by far out strip the successes in your little stories.

Give me some examples of how it benefits Canada, as opposed to political pimps allegedly leading some of these communities, or Liberal or NDP MP's pandering for votes.

[Catchme]

Wow, what a great story of assimulation working, that one example who is most likely a decendant of slaves, now has freedom. Freedom to work 1 and half jobs in order to survive. Now that's assimulation for ya heh?!

Far better than collecting EI.

Do they have EI is the USA?

Here in Canada, employees pay large into it so they can collect it, if needed, affter all it is their money they are collecting, and EI has nothing to do with assimulation, how odd that you mention it!

[Catchme]

I can give you 10's of thousands of examples of how actually succcesssful multi-culturalism is in Canada, that by far out strip the successes in your little stories.

Give me some examples of how it benefits Canada, as opposed to political pimps allegedly leading some of these communities, or Liberal or NDP MP's pandering for votes.

Oh, how nice, negative labels to try and discount multi-culturalism successes by excluding ethnic politicians from being included. And what about the CPC's content of ethnic MP's, why would you only list Liberal and NDP MP's as pandering for votes?

Sorry, that doesn't work, they are no different than any other politician, label 1 label them all. Moreover, the fact ethnic minorities, are actually able to obtain politcal leadership positions in Canada, on much greater quantity level, unlike the majority of visible minorities in the USA, says a good deal about mutlti-culturism successes.

There are significant amounts of FN's who are Drs, lawyers, world renowned respected artisans, very successful business owners, FN banks and FN Economic development groups, and the numbers are growing. And their respective cultures are being envigorated.

The are well respected and extremely profitable business owners from all differing types of immigrating ethnicities that are visible minorities.

There is not the extreme ghettoization of minorities in Canada as there is in the USA, most live in middle income neighbourhoods in good housing, with well paid jobs across all the sectors, who are not working 1.5 jobs in order to support 1 person.

[geoffrey]

There are significant amounts of FN's who are Drs, lawyers, world renowned respected artisans, very successful business owners, FN banks and FN Economic development groups, and the numbers are growing. And their respective cultures are being envigorated.

At what expense? We coddle these minorities to the point where they all have far superior rights than we do. Early Canadians, recent immigrants, visible minorities, whatever. I'm sure the education rates would be higher in the RoC too if we all got the subsidizes and affirmative action that 'FN' do.

And why exactly are we cheering on people that are finally meeting society norms. I think we should say 'about time', and then look at the other far greater majority of their populations that live in complete poverty.

The only way to bring these folks up is to cut the special treatment, all that crap. When all Canadians, regardless of race, have an equal amount of rights and freedoms, then we'll be progressing here. Coddling minorities will only lead to their further reliance on the state (and therefore they become more engrained in block voting with political parties).

[Catchme]

There are significant amounts of FN's who are Drs, lawyers, world renowned respected artisans, very successful business owners, FN banks and FN Economic development groups, and the numbers are growing. And their respective cultures are being envigorated.

At what expense? We coddle these minorities to the point where they all have far superior rights than we do. Early Canadians, recent immigrants, visible minorities, whatever. I'm sure the education rates would be higher in the RoC too if we all got the subsidizes and affirmative action that 'FN' do.

And why exactly are we cheering on people that are finally meeting society norms. I think we should say 'about time', and then look at the other far greater majority of their populations that live in complete poverty.

The only way to bring these folks up is to cut the special treatment, all that crap. When all Canadians, regardless of race, have an equal amount of rights and freedoms, then we'll be progressing here. Coddling minorities will only lead to their further reliance on the state (and therefore they become more engrained in block voting with political parties).

What superior rights do they have please detail and link them, as that is fabrication?

How are we coddling minorities? Again provide examples.

They are not meeting society norms they are working within their own cultural framework, recapturing what was lost and buiding lives for themselves against a great deal of opposition.

[geoffrey]

What superior rights do they have please detail and link them, as that is fabrication?

How are we coddling minorities? Again provide examples.

I should have phrased it as not superior rights, but legislated racial advantages. For example, certain races get jobs with the government easier.

If you check out any of the bidding on the Vancouver 2010 olympic money, you'll see that your race (only if your a minority) is considered in the bidding process. This is, in my opinion, outrageous.

RCMP applications, another example, Indians and other minorities have to meet much lower standards upon application than white people. Setting the bar for higher for various races or genders is wrong.

There are numerous government and pseudo-government (universities for example) programs that give various financial and other (admittance to school with lower grades) to minorities.

Getting minorities to 'fit in' and work with the rest of Canada while retaining their personal values is much too high a cost. I figure if you choose to move to Canada to enjoy our standard of living, you must accept our way of life. No more hidden daggers in schools or women hiding behind sheets (again, racial/minority exceptions to our laws). If people wish to partake in such extremist concepts, then they can do it where they came from.

For Indians, if they wish to live like their culture previously encouraged centuries ok, they can do so, but it will mean giving up access to our health care and education systems, for example.

Reasonable accomodation has switched into how far can we bend our system for minorities before the majority becomes so angered they'll give it up.

They are not meeting society norms they are working within their own cultural framework, recapturing what was lost and buiding lives for themselves against a great deal of opposition.

I don't see it that way. You can't have the luxuries of modern Canadian culture with the lifestyle of a 1500's plains Indian. If they, or anyone for that matters, wishes to go live like an ancient person, I suggest they do so and have fun at it... but do it on their own dollar and don't expect society to bail ya out when you have some underlying belief that you have no obligation to contribute.

[Charles Anthony]

I refuse to accept the dichotomy or argument of "Melting Pot" versus "Multi-culturalism" because I do not believe either of them truly exist as distinct concepts. We have permitted ourselves to be fooled by the dramatic stories portrayed by actors on an international stage.

Saying "we have multi-culturalism" and "they have a melting pot" is more vacuous than identifying the differences in our democratic systems or our tax policies.

[Catchme]

What superior rights do they have please detail and link them, as that is fabrication?

How are we coddling minorities? Again provide examples.

I should have phrased it as not superior rights, but legislated racial advantages. For example, certain races get jobs with the government easier.

Please provide proof of this

If you check out any of the bidding on the Vancouver 2010 olympic money, you'll see that your race (only if your a minority) is considered in the bidding process. This is, in my opinion, outrageous.

Please provide this proof, it is not up to me to research your assertations. If you had proof other than hearsay I believe you would've provided it.

RCMP applications, another example, Indians and other minorities have to meet much lower standards upon application than white people. Setting the bar for higher for various races or genders is wrong.

Again, we have been over this fallacy before here, there is no proof to suggest this correct. Hiring for community policing in minority enclaves is not setting the bar higher or lower.

It seems more like griping/whining that traditional white male priviledge is being eradicated. Rather than having facts to back up assertations.

There are numerous government and pseudo-government (universities for example) programs that give various financial and other (admittance to school with lower grades) to minorities.

Again that is not proof, that is you saying it is so. provide proof please.

Getting minorities to 'fit in' and work with the rest of Canada while retaining their personal values is much too high a cost. I figure if you choose to move to Canada to enjoy our standard of living, you must accept our way of life. No more hidden daggers in schools or women hiding behind sheets (again, racial/minority exceptions to our laws). If people wish to partake in such extremist concepts, then they can do it where they came from.

What is the difference between Hutterite and Mennoite enclaves, and what they wear that does not fit cultural norms, are you suggesting they be told what to wear, what not to wear, and how to behave too?

What about Mennonites refusing to go to war, but yet advocating for war, should they be forced to go participate in the military? And accept our way of life?

Should funding be cut to religious schools or Ukaranian schools because they refuse to fit into our public school system?

How about those Mennonites who left Canada because they did not like government interference in their lives but yet came back to advocate against government? Should they be go back to where they came from too?

For Indians, if they wish to live like their culture previously encouraged centuries ok, they can do so, but it will mean giving up access to our health care and education systems, for example.

Why would they have to do that that is completely illogical and irrational thinking. Then everyone else would have to give it up as well, as they were developed long after settlers came to Canada too, including your ancestors too geoffery.

Should Ukaranians give up their culture? Because according to your premise they should, and they are not. Nor are the Mennonites and Hutterites, say nothing of Mormon enclaves like Bountiful or Claresholm.

Reasonable accomodation has switched into how far can we bend our system for minorities before the majority becomes so angered they'll give it up.

What majority are you speaking of Georfery there is NO actual singular majority in Canada that fully encompasses one ethic or cultural group?

They are not meeting society norms they are working within their own cultural framework, recapturing what was lost and buiding lives for themselves against a great deal of opposition.

I don't see it that way. You can't have the luxuries of modern Canadian culture with the lifestyle of a 1500's plains Indian. If they, or anyone for that matters, wishes to go live like an ancient person, I suggest they do so and have fun at it... but do it on their own dollar and don't expect society to bail ya out when you have some underlying belief that you have no obligation to contribute.

Well , you are seeing it wrong geoffery, If everyone else can enjoy their cultural heritage, and enjoy the luxuries of moddern society so can FN's. Are all the Mennotite, Scottish, German, Russian homesteaders still supposed to be living in sod shacks because that is what they lived in when they came to Canada?

They are doing it on their own dollar, there is still so much outstanding debt owed to them it is ridiculous.

They are not saying they want to live like an ancient person. Pursuing your own cultual heritage has absolutely nothing to do with living like an ancient person.

It seems you want to have double standards geoffery one for the rest of those pursuing their and living in their cultural heritage, while not wanting FN's too.

And as for your comment about not wanting to contribute, it is not even worth giving a response to it. As it is so far from reality that it is unbelievable. Canada would not even be the country it is without FN's and their actions.

[geoffrey]

If you check out any of the bidding on the Vancouver 2010 olympic money, you'll see that your race (only if your a minority) is considered in the bidding process. This is, in my opinion, outrageous.

Please provide this proof, it is not up to me to research your assertations. If you had proof other than hearsay I believe you would've provided it.

http://www.vancouver2010.com/resources/en/...es.pdf?tag=HEAD

There, an open bid on services to be provided to the Vancouver Olympics, specifically they state, and I quote:

Sustainable and Aboriginal Procurement

Our procurement strategy includes the use of sustainable purchasing practices to minimize negative environmental impacts and to maximize social and economic opportunities for Aboriginal and inner-city residents. We will use evaluation criteria that rewards suppliers with sustainability and Aboriginal participation policies, programs and ideas that are strongly aligned with VANOC’s sustainability objectives.

We will look to and encourage our suppliers and service providers to collaborate with us and take a leadership role in assisting us to achieve our sustainability objectives, create a best practice model for sustainable purchasing for the Olympic and Paralympic Movements, and together, create a lasting legacy for future Olympic and Paralympic Games. Any sustainability and/or Aboriginal participation commitments proposed by a successful Proponent will be incorporated into the Contract and will form part of the Contract

Requirements.

Requiring them to hire x amount of inner city people is marginal at best IMO. Requiring a contractor (or giving preference) to a contractor with the highest amount of a certain race is absolutely absurd in a modern society.

Again, we have been over this fallacy before here, there is no proof to suggest this correct. Hiring for community policing in minority enclaves is not setting the bar higher or lower.

I think we should just agree to an impasse there. That being said, back to the topic of the thread... if certain communities only recognize the authority of certain races (the cause of minority enclave hiring) then multiculturalism is an ABSOLUTE failure. If we are that divided upon racial lines, we've got some serious trouble.

It seems more like griping/whining that traditional white male priviledge is being eradicated. Rather than having facts to back up assertations.

Nah, I believe the most qualified person should received the job/contract/whatever each and every time. If an Indian or immigrant is more qualified than myself, then they should beat me in a fair competition for that position. If I'm more qualified, I certainly don't expect to be told despite that, I am not getting the job because my DNA doesn't match the required profile.

Again that is not proof, that is you saying it is so. provide proof please.

Sure... lots of racially defined education policy out there.

There is also an 'aboriginal admissions' policy at all major Canadian universities, where aboriginal applicants get in by just meeting the minimum standards, which are generally much lower than the accepted averages of non-Indian individuals. As this is common knowledge, I'll let you investigate further. Actually, to spare a follow up... I'll even find you a link: http://www.ucalgary.ca/admissions/aboriginal_policy.html. They only have to be competitive with people of my DNA-type if they fail to get in the first way.

http://www.naaf.ca/html/home_e.html

A government funded agency that hands out scholarships and bursaries to qualified students... of certain DNA profiles.

http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ps/edu/ense_e.html

~$300mil is handed out annually to a defined racial group.

http://www.canadapost.ca/personal/corporat...abori/faq-e.asp

Government agency that provides a scholarship to a selected racial profile.

What is the difference between Hutterite and Mennoite enclaves, and what they wear that does not fit cultural norms, are you suggesting they be told what to wear, what not to wear, and how to behave too?

I firmly believe that as long as one's dress doesn't violate any laws of Canada, then have at it. Covering my face when entering a bank or a government facility would be a problem though, as well as if I tried to get my drivers license photo taken wearing a burka. So why does my gender and ethnicity prevent me from the same treatment as another? It is racism.

What about Mennonites refusing to go to war, but yet advocating for war, should they be forced to go participate in the military? And accept our way of life?

No one should be forced to participate in the military. If they are pacifist, so be it. In fact, most Canadians wouldn't go to war so that's really an invalid example.

Should funding be cut to religious schools or Ukaranian schools because they refuse to fit into our public school system?

Well, yes and no. Culturally, our school boards have been public and seperate (Catholic) for quite some time, before that Catholic and Protestant. There is still a large chunk of Catholics that send their kids to Catholic school however. If you were to prove to me that running a Catholic school costs more per child and that they received a better education than in a public school, then I would agree that any discrepency there should be corrected.

Personally, I think a system of voucher based schooling is the best approach, where everyone regardless of race or whatever gets a set amount of schooling dollars to go to whatever school the parents wish to send their kids. If their special interest or religious interest, costs more to provide because of a lack of demand, they should pay for it. As well, if a parent sends their kid to a private school, they shouldn't subsidize the cost of the system they don't get to use. That's equality.

How about those Mennonites who left Canada because they did not like government interference in their lives but yet came back to advocate against government? Should they be go back to where they came from too?

Where do they come from? I think they've been here for awhile. Despite that, I think I see Mennonites that are non-adapted about ten times a year when I go to the farmers market. I worked for a Mennonite boss and never knew he was Mennonite for a year. These people aren't massive deviants from the social norm. If they proved to be, then sure, they should adapt.

Why would they have to do that that is completely illogical and irrational thinking. Then everyone else would have to give it up as well, as they were developed long after settlers came to Canada too, including your ancestors too geoffery.

If I chose to live in a 1600's style Quebec settlement complete with ancient trapping and fishing rights and a tax free existance within my settlement (including doing business with outsiders), then yes, I think I should be denied health care.

Should Ukaranians give up their culture? Because according to your premise they should, and they are not. Nor are the Mennonites and Hutterites, say nothing of Mormon enclaves like Bountiful or Claresholm.

Ukranians don't cost me a whole hell of a lot of tax money. I don't think I subsidize too many perogie hunts or anything like that. In all honesty, I can't even think of any situation where I'd be able to pick out a Ukrainian from a crowd.

The crazy Mormon criminals in Bountiful (I'm not too clear on Claresholm) are definitely a problem for me and those that violate the laws of Canada with polygamy and under age marriage need to be arrested. There is no room for that here.

What majority are you speaking of Georfery there is NO actual singular majority in Canada that fully encompasses one ethic or cultural group?

The majority of western adapted individuals that routinely co-exist without ethnicity becoming an issue.

Well , you are seeing it wrong geoffery, If everyone else can enjoy their cultural heritage, and enjoy the luxuries of moddern society so can FN's. Are all the Mennotite, Scottish, German, Russian homesteaders still supposed to be living in sod shacks because that is what they lived in when they came to Canada?

I wouldn't expect to fund a Scottish person's enjoyment of their sod shack.

They are doing it on their own dollar, there is still so much outstanding debt owed to them it is ridiculous.

I'll need to see some evidence of that, holding you to your own standard.

It seems you want to have double standards geoffery one for the rest of those pursuing their and living in their cultural heritage, while not wanting FN's too.

Actually I find my position quite consistant and intolerant of any funding of individual self-discovery, not matter their ethnicity or religious interest.

[Catchme]

Scholarships and burseries are handed out all the time to specific types of peoples, if you say the FN's should have none then, none should have none.

They are using FN's land in Vancouver, and making improvents going to Whistler no doubt the FN's want in on it.

It specifies inner city residents and FN's it is not exclusive to FN's. They are losing a huge amount of low income housing, and they should be offered positions and training, not a thing wrong with that. It is actually helping them to have a hand up. Moroever, there are not enough people to fill positions needed, if giving incentives to assist with training costs helps to fill positions I say go for it,

It also specifies sustainable development plans, again nothing to do with FN.

Lots and lots of FN are not hired even though they have qualifications because they do not have the proper DNA, and now somehow it is unfair when the playing field is reversed? I hardly think so.

How do send white officers into a community that speaks no English and expect them to find out what is going on?

And FN's have a very good reason not to trust white RCMP eh?!

If a person is going to be driving with a burka on, then their drivers license should depict how they look eh?!

Banks have people working in them that are wearing a burka, why is there a problem with people wearing burkas and entering a bank? Oh I know, there are so many bank robbers wearing burkas out there eh?! Not!

Flimsy rational geoffery, and I believe you are being intellectually dishonest with yourself about your reasoning process.

Nor are you taking into consideration learning needs amongst different peoples. All people are not the same.

Muslems in Canada are not massive deviants from the cultural norm either geoffery, contrary to the erroneous position you hold and put forth.

Again you are not funding FN, the outstanding debts owed, and interest on those debts, will not be paid in my lifetime most likely.

[Catchme]

Here are some facts on FN's that will no doubt be an inconvenient truth to some erroneously held beliefs.

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But no doubt some will say it is because they they were given "special" advantages. And yes they would be correct, because they were given no equality and rightsprior, and the playing field being levelled obviously is working.

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All the snips from above have links to be found at, plus many more :

http://www.edo.ca/news-events/news-press

The Honourable Madame Justice Rose Toodick Boyko is a member of the Tsek'ehne First Nation in British Columbia. She spent her teenage years in Prince George ...

www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ks/3011_e.html

[Posit]

The requirement that Aboriginal workers be considered in BC isn't the result of "special rights or obligations" it is about business. The Olympic Committee wants to build on lands that are either owned by or under land claim of the First Nations. In avoiding confrontation they negotiated a deal that will see native people given opportunities to employment in the process. That would be no different than the US coming here to build a factory and having Canada say they must use Canadian workers to build it.

[geoffrey]

The requirement that Aboriginal workers be considered in BC isn't the result of "special rights or obligations" it is about business. The Olympic Committee wants to build on lands that are either owned by or under land claim of the First Nations. In avoiding confrontation they negotiated a deal that will see native people given opportunities to employment in the process. That would be no different than the US coming here to build a factory and having Canada say they must use Canadian workers to build it.

Expropriate the lands like they do to non-Natives when the government needs to build. Done deal.

[Posit]

The government can't afford the fall-out. There would be protests, occupations, legal injunctions, court cases and international embarrassment over such a move. It is easier and more productive to negotiate an agreement in the way they did.

You must remember that 90% of BC is unceded territory. Aboriginal people have the courts on their side on this one.

[geoffrey]

You must remember that 90% of BC is unceded territory. Aboriginal people have the courts on their side on this one.

So a certain race has more avenues of appeal for expropriation? Ridiculous.

[Posit]

No...The government can't expropriate what it doesn't have a right to. The courts are clear that the government MUST negotiate with First Nations concerning lands claims issues. That IS the law.

As well under that same law, we don't have property rights, save and except those we might acquire through civil action.

Aboriginal rights aren't "special rights". There are rights that precede the limitations outlined in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. So their land and treaty rights are not under our control.

[jbg]

I thought this thread was about multicult, not primarily about FN issues.

[geoffrey]

I thought this thread was about multicult, not primarily about FN issues.

FN issues are a primary multiculturalism issue in Canada... the most pressing IMO.

[Canuck E Stan]

If everyone else can enjoy their cultural heritage, and enjoy the luxuries of moddern society so can FN's. Are all the Mennotite, Scottish, German, Russian homesteaders still supposed to be living in sod shacks because that is what they lived in when they came to Canada?

They are doing it on their own dollar, there is still so much outstanding debt owed to them it is ridiculous.

They are not saying they want to live like an ancient person. Pursuing your own cultual heritage has absolutely nothing to do with living like an ancient person.

It seems you want to have double standards geoffery one for the rest of those pursuing their and living in their cultural heritage, while not wanting FN's too.

I suppose what many are asking is why the FN leadership has not changed the poverty and conditions of FN. Note I said FN leadership. The amout of money already spent to help FN has done nothing to change their living conditions. You mention all the other groups who have done it on their own dollar, why can the FN not do it. Where is the leadership to pull them from their plight?

[Riverwind]

No...The government can't expropriate what it doesn't have a right to. The courts are clear that the government MUST negotiate with First Nations concerning lands claims issues. That IS the law.

The courts have only said that the government is required to make reasonable accommodation. Ensuring a few jobs for aboriginals probably falls under that definition. However, the government is legally entitled expropriate land if attempts at reasonable compromises are rejected and the government can demonstrate a compelling social need.

Aboriginal rights aren't "special rights". There are rights that precede the limitations outlined in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. So their land and treaty rights are not under our control.

The crown has sovereignty over all land in BC. Any rights that aboriginals have do not change that. The SCC has stated clearly that the non-natives are not going anywhere and there is an obligation on aboriginals to accept that reality and find a compromise that "[reconciles] the preexistence of aboriginal societies with the sovereignty of the Crown.”

That is a quote right out the Delgamuukw decision.