hiti Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 Comparing the US to Canada is like comparing apples to oranges, two different societies. Why was violent crime down in 1962 in Canada when laws were harsh and up when it was more lax?I'd say the problem is society and families not properly raising their kids (the ones who commit violent crime) for the most part and plain insanity for the minority of the rest, IMO. Or maybe it's the fact that crime really wasn't reported much in 1962. I'd say the problem is poverty and lack of education and training opportunities and drugs. Quote "You cannot bring your Western standards to Afghanistan and expect them to work. This is a different society and a different culture." -Hamid Karzai, President of Afghanistan June 23/07
stignasty Posted February 27, 2007 Report Posted February 27, 2007 If it's the Charter's fault, why is violent crime so bad in the US where attitudes ARE different and you CAN hang for your crimes? If you look at the stats, the murder rate for both Canada and the US have dropped since the mid-1970s when Canada abolished the death penalty and the US reinstated it. Quote "It may not be true, but it's legendary that if you're like all Americans, you know almost nothing except for your own country. Which makes you probably knowledgeable about one more country than most Canadians." - Stephen Harper
Saturn Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Posted February 27, 2007 The report aimed to explain the apparent contradiction asCanada's unemployment rate is sitting near a historic low at 6.1 percent... Some Web SiteVan Loan was right; Turner was wrong. There you go again! Canada has lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs in the last 2 years, far more than any other sector. And 200,000 jobs is a LOT of jobs. So Garth was right your big mouth should stay closed. Quote
gc1765 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 The Conservatives are focusing on violent crime. In 1962, violent crime was at about 200 incidents per 100,000 people. It rose to well over a 1000 at it's peak around 1991. Since then, there have been minimal decreases but the fact is, we are basically treading water at a rate that is over 4 times what it was in 1962. Why do you think the media chooses to highlight the miniscule decreases since the peak in 1991 and hide the horrendous increases that led to the peak? hmm whats so bad about trying to get it down to 1962 levels or similar.What's the difference b/w 1962 and now? -If you were part of a gang cops could make like hell for you -No charter of rights + freedoms -If you killed someone there was a chance you could hang -attitudes regarding criminals were different Does that mean we should also try to get unemployment back down to where it was as well? Unemployment was lower back in the 70's too. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
Canuck E Stan Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 Personally, I think it's the trend that started in the 80's of glorifying violence. Compare West Side Story to Scarface. 80"s Glorifying Violence? It started a lot earlier,it started with Mickey Mouse and cartoons. Quote "Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill
blueblood Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 The Conservatives are focusing on violent crime. In 1962, violent crime was at about 200 incidents per 100,000 people. It rose to well over a 1000 at it's peak around 1991. Since then, there have been minimal decreases but the fact is, we are basically treading water at a rate that is over 4 times what it was in 1962. Why do you think the media chooses to highlight the miniscule decreases since the peak in 1991 and hide the horrendous increases that led to the peak? hmm whats so bad about trying to get it down to 1962 levels or similar.What's the difference b/w 1962 and now? -If you were part of a gang cops could make like hell for you -No charter of rights + freedoms -If you killed someone there was a chance you could hang -attitudes regarding criminals were different Does that mean we should also try to get unemployment back down to where it was as well? Unemployment was lower back in the 70's too. Of course we should, people working generally don't participate in criminal activity. In another thread it was stated that they are looking for jobs like crazy out in Alberta, as Geoff puts it, get over to Alberta and work lots of jobs there. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
gc1765 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 Of course we should, people working generally don't participate in criminal activity. In another thread it was stated that they are looking for jobs like crazy out in Alberta, as Geoff puts it, get over to Alberta and work lots of jobs there. Good. I'm glad you agree with my original post then, when I responded to August1991's comment: Turner was going on about job losses when Canada's unemployment rate is at a 30 year low.It's as if he asked Suzuki why this winter has been so cold. Or if he complained about high interest rates to David Dodge. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
August1991 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 There you go again! Canada has lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs in the last 2 years, far more than any other sector. And 200,000 jobs is a LOT of jobs. So Garth was right your big mouth should stay closed.Saturn, it seems as if you want to argue with me regardless of the position.Who cares whether manufacturing jobs are lost? The overall job situation hasn't been this good in over 30 years and real GDP per capita has never been higher. I'll agree that the labour market in the West is better than in Ontario but Turner is wrong to complain about jpb losses. Al things considered, it ain't an issue. And it'll be even less of one in the future when on all the baby-boomers retire. Then, it'll be a sellers market. Or maybe it's the fact that crime really wasn't reported much in 1962. I'd say the problem is poverty and lack of education and training opportunities and drugs. Drugs?Hiti, I have no patience for these 19th century Dickensian-Victor Hugo "root causes" type of arguments. Canada is much richer in 2007 than in 1962 and even poor Canadians are much better off. By the same token, 15 of the 19 on those planes in September 2001 were rich guys from Saudi Arabia. They were not impoverished oppressed victims. Moms Boucher drove around in a Mercedes and even Pickton was worth over a million. Jean Valjean may have stolen a loaf of bread to feed his daughter but that's not what criminals today do. Quote
jbg Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 hmm whats so bad about trying to get it down to 1962 levels or similar.What's the difference b/w 1962 and now? -If you were part of a gang cops could make like hell for you -No charter of rights + freedoms -If you killed someone there was a chance you could hang -attitudes regarding criminals were different In New York City we're celebrating violent crime numbers close to 1962 levels. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted February 28, 2007 Report Posted February 28, 2007 In New York City we're celebrating violent crime numbers close to 1962 levels. If the trend continues (and hopefully it will) pretty soon New York will have violent crime rates almost as low as Toronto. Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
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