Should Canada Join the North American Union in 2010

[geoffrey]

And national sovereignty is not a silly concept, and no I would not give up Canada so my standard of living would increase, and sure as heck won't with a North American Union. In fact it would decrease, the only benefit would be to the already utltra rich.

Even if your life would improve, you'd remain Canadian? That's a very close devotion to a intangible entity that wouldn't blink twice upon your death. As cold as it sounds, it's the reality of nationalism. I can understand an unconditional love in a relationship, but not when it comes to your country.

Do you think Harper and the CPC would have even had a sniff at at getting into power if they campaigned on this? No! That is why they are doing it in secret, as I said if it was at all beneficial to Canadians they would be selling us on the benefits instead of secrecy.

The Liberals are just as involved, both parties would have to come out saying they both support further integration.

If it would be of benefit to Americans the Bush government would not be doing this in secret either, they would be all over it in a heart beat.

Such a policy isn't benefical to everyone, but it's benefical to most people. The crazy conservatives in that video say the teamsters would be hurt. They would. That's sad, but everyone else in America that buys stuff that is transported benefit.

The accusations of treason by those advocating this and moving towards it in secret, have been made by US politicians, they are correct.

Then someone would have been charged. Do you think the judiciary is in favour of this and have a secret agenda too?

If you want to be an American please do leave.

If I felt it was the best thing for me at this time, I would have already left. I doubt if I'd ever renounce my citizenship unless it was for some financial aspect though... travelling as a Canadian is pretty easy and most countries have no problem with skilled folks from Canada working there. Why go through the hassel to commit to any arbitrary non-tangible entity?

[Catchme]

And national sovereignty is not a silly concept, and no I would not give up Canada so my standard of living would increase, and sure as heck won't with a North American Union. In fact it would decrease, the only benefit would be to the already utltra rich.

Even if your life would improve, you'd remain Canadian? That's a very close devotion to a intangible entity that wouldn't blink twice upon your death. As cold as it sounds, it's the reality of nationalism. I can understand an unconditional love in a relationship, but not when it comes to your country.

It is not about whether your nation cares if you die, it is about living, and as you yourself say at the bottom, it is what Canada provides you you could not get anywhere, else. So, really why would you want to destroy it? Seems fairly hyprocritical, geoferry. Seeing as how Canada has one of the highest standards of living in the world far outstripping the USA, there is no better place with a higher standard of living.

The accusations of treason by those advocating this and moving towards it in secret, have been made by US politicians, they are correct.

Then someone would have been charged. Do you think the judiciary is in favour of this and have a secret agenda too?

Well, seeing as how it is all being exposed as we speak, there could indeed be charges in the future eh?!

If you want to be an American please do leave.

If I felt it was the best thing for me at this time, I would have already left. I doubt if I'd ever renounce my citizenship unless it was for some financial aspect though... travelling as a Canadian is pretty easy and most countries have no problem with skilled folks from Canada working there. Why go through the hassel to commit to any arbitrary non-tangible entity?

So, money is the only thing you are about, eh? I am truly sorry for you.

Seems like you are making a commitment to Canada, because it is extemely beneficial to you and no other country can offer you more, even though you are professing "Why go through the hassel to commit to any arbitrary non-tangible entity".

Again, why are advocating the destruction of Canada through this treasonous secret deal of Harper's and the CPC, that will make a facist state of canada and North America?

[geoffrey]

So, money is the only thing you are about, eh? I am truly sorry for you.

Nah. It's not the only qualification for a place to live and work. Family, friends, recreation opportunities (I require skiing/mountain biking), stuff like that. It's a balance of many things. The colour of the flag flying on the school down the street isn't one of them.

Seems like you are making a commitment to Canada, because it is extemely beneficial to you and no other country can offer you more, even though you are professing "Why go through the hassel to commit to any arbitrary non-tangible entity".

It's more beneficial to me to live in Canada today. Tomorrow I can't promise that will still be true. Like I said, it's a balance of a number of things.

Again, why are advocating the destruction of Canada through this treasonous secret deal of Harper's and the CPC, that will make a facist state of canada and North America?

Well, I really can't see how Canada will turn fascist overnight... considering that there is no fascist states in the entire world right now. Do you even know what fascist means?

This union has nothing to do with fascism and everything to do with creating better trade and economies of scale to compete with China and the EU.

[Catchme]

Giving total control of our resources to global corporations/elite with full secret support by the government is not a democracy.

[geoffrey]

Giving total control of our resources to global corporations/elite with full secret support by the government is not a democracy.

Evidence that this would happen?

[guyser]

The colour of the flag flying on the school down the street isn't one of them.

Perhaps then the US is not the place for you? They kind of frown on that sort of thing you know.

[Topaz]

A lot of people may believe that this could or would happen but ask yourself, could planes fly into buildings in New York? I believe it could happen especially if Canada has a PM that can be bought by the US. First, Canada would need a PM that is very friendly to the US government. You would need a PM that wants to change laws, more towards the Americans way of thinking. A PM that wants to build up the military for future use????? The US would have no trouble taking over Mexico if it decide to. Canada would be a different manner, it would have to have help from within the government. I say to all Canadians , just watch what any of our government do and watch the secrecy from the press and from us.

[guyser]

The US would have no trouble taking over Mexico if it decide to. Canada would be a different manner, it would have to have help from within the government. I say to all Canadians , just watch what any of our government do and watch the secrecy from the press and from us.

The US would have more trouble with overtaking Mexico than they would Canada.

One fight might last for weeks, the other a lunch hour.

[Drea]

The Bush Administration may be able to talk the American people into a war in Iraq, but I doubt if they would be able to talk them into attacking and killing Canadians.

Individually Americans and Canadians look at one another as friends. "Groupthink hate" propaganda (like for today's muslims) would be difficult because so many people have individual relationships on both sides of the border.

I've heard of the NAU and it is not in the best interest of any of us. As close as we are culturally, American and Canadian sociology are worlds apart.

[obsidian]

uh this has already been signed, it wont involve a war unless we resist. and why isnt free trade enough? why do we need to be within the same country? i see this as a non-hostile takeover. but think to yourself, why would they want to have canada and mexico join the US? because of our vast, vast natural wealthes, which will support the war machine, without the middle east. if you read CAFTA http://www.cafta.org/Doha_Goals_Oct_2005.pdf you can see where their heading with this(its slogan is "our future is global" and its trademark is a picture of north america, with the slogan above)

i think we are going to be forced to enter it by a war, as in, we canadians are threatened, and opt to feel safer and get US protection.