Most Effective Leader

[madmax]

One Poll down and another up and running.

[Canuck E Stan]

One Poll down and another up and running.

Seems to be unanimious

[August1991]

I agree that Harper has been the most impressive federal leader over the past year or so.

But then, Dion has only been Liberal leader for about two months. IIRC, just about 18 months ago, there was talk of a putsch within Tory ranks and dumping unelectable Harper. Remember when Belinda crossed the floor?

Politicians are like toilet seats. They go up and down.

[Wilber]

Politicians are like toilet seats. They go up and down.

True but I think the fact that Harper has weathered those things shows he has some staying power. Dion still has a lot to prove as a leader.

[Jean_Poutine]

Here's an interesting report from CTV that relates to this:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

[jdobbin]

Chretien was pitiful as Opposition leader. You'd never have guessed that he would dominate when he became prime minister.

Harper was no great shakes in Opposition. He has performed well as prime minister.

All this considered though, Harper hasn't been able to dominate in the polls. Whether that is a reflection on himself, the Tories or the strength of the Liberals remains to be seen.

[jdobbin]

Here's an interesting report from CTV that relates to this:

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...?hub=TopStories

It is probably why they had Dion in Winnipeg for the firefighters funeral rather than in the House where he only gets to ask three questions and then sit bored for 43 minutes.

The House of Commons barely gets covered in the media. It is probably more important for to criss cross Canada fundraising, choosing candidates, giving interviews and campaigning like the election was called yesterday.

[Canuck E Stan]

Harper was no great shakes in Opposition. He has performed well as prime minister.

All this considered though, Harper hasn't been able to dominate in the polls. Whether that is a reflection on himself, the Tories or the strength of the Liberals remains to be seen.

What are you talking about?

A opposition leader that doesn't stay as an opposition leader is an opposition leader that has done his job well.

Harper has done his job well.

Polls from Feb.15-18 2007

Meanwhile, when asked which party leader had the clearest vision of where he wants to take the country, Harper showed a significant lead over his rivals (percentage-point change from a Dec. 3-4 poll in brackets):

* Stephen Harper: 50 per cent (+ 18)

* Stephane Dion: 22 per cent (- 16 from when Paul Martin was leader)

* Jack Layton: 20 per cent (+ 1)

* Gilles Duceppe: 8 per cent (- 4)

More than half of respondents also felt that Harper is the most decisive of the party leaders.

* Harper: 53 per cent

* Dion: 19 per cent

* Layton: 20 per cent

* Duceppe: 8 per cent

Dion also lost out on charisma, which he himself defended shortly after becoming leader of his party.

And he's even doing better on this poll!

[jdobbin]

What are you talking about?

A opposition leader that doesn't stay as an opposition leader is an opposition leader that has done his job well.

Harper has done his job well.

Chretien became prime minister despite the poor performance he put in as Opposition leader.

Harper's performance in Opposition was not stellar. He became prime minister because the Liberals self destructed.

You think both Chretien and Harper did well in Opposition and therefore became prime minister because of it?

[Canuck E Stan]

You think both Chretien and Harper did well in Opposition and therefore became prime minister because of it?

Look at what Harper went through to get there,was no shoe in like Chretien.

It's just not fair.

[jdobbin]

Look at what Harper went through to get there,was no shoe in like Chretien.

It's just not fair.

The fact that Harper had a hand in the destruction of the PCs and split the conservative votes for years is not fair?

[madmax]

What are you talking about?

A opposition leader that doesn't stay as an opposition leader is an opposition leader that has done his job well.

Harper has done his job well.

Polls from Feb.15-18 2007

Meanwhile, when asked which party leader had the clearest vision of where he wants to take the country, Harper showed a significant lead over his rivals (percentage-point change from a Dec. 3-4 poll in brackets):

* Stephen Harper: 50 per cent (+ 18)

* Stephane Dion: 22 per cent (- 16 from when Paul Martin was leader)

* Jack Layton: 20 per cent (+ 1)

* Gilles Duceppe: 8 per cent (- 4)

More than half of respondents also felt that Harper is the most decisive of the party leaders.

* Harper: 53 per cent

* Dion: 19 per cent

* Layton: 20 per cent

* Duceppe: 8 per cent

Dion also lost out on charisma, which he himself defended shortly after becoming leader of his party.

And he's even doing better on this poll!

The fact that Dion and Laytons numbers are that close is bad news for the Liberals. Those attack adds have been very effective. Peoples minds have been formed.

[Catchme]

See you failed to note the other 2 polls that show Harper trailing, both Dion and layton,and one of them was The Best Prime Minister questions. Why are you failling to report on the whole polls BTW?

As I noted in the other thread on recent polls, regarding the CTV's, it was a push poll, the questions were not clear and were slanted, plus having a Ontario margin of error of 5%.

The poll was not good news for the CPC no matter how the msm tries to spin it.

This question is also a push poll, no point in even responding. :rolleyes

[margrace]

See you failed to note the other 2 polls that show Harper trailing, both Dion and layton,and one of them was The Best Prime Minister questions. Why are you failling to report on the whole polls BTW?

As I noted in the other thread on recent polls, regarding the CTV's, it was a push poll, the questions were not clear and were slanted, plus having a Ontario margin of error of 5%.

The poll was not good news for the CPC no matter how the msm tries to spin it.

This question is also a push poll, no point in even responding. :rolleyes

It appears this is a dirty fight and the liberals will have to fight dirty to combate the Conservative negativity. Just ask your conservative rep or Tony Clements if they are going to get rid of the CBC. They have been instructed to note how important the CBC is and that it must not be in competition with other private stations. So this probably will mean all advertizing and such programs as any sport items including the Olympics will not be allowed. This effectively shuts the TV stations down doesn't it. Only Canadian content will be allowed on the CBC

[scribblet]

Dion also lost out on charisma, which he himself defended shortly after becoming leader of his party.

And he's even doing better on this poll!

The fact that Dion and Laytons numbers are that close is bad news for the Liberals. Those attack adds have been very effective. Peoples minds have been formed.

It appears that they made a big mistake picking Dion, maybe the CPC should go for the jugular and call an election I don't think it will be a landslide however, I'd bet another, though larger, minority.

[noahbody]

Chretien was pitiful as Opposition leader. You'd never have guessed that he would dominate when he became prime minister.

Harper was no great shakes in Opposition. He has performed well as prime minister.

All this considered though, Harper hasn't been able to dominate in the polls. Whether that is a reflection on himself, the Tories or the strength of the Liberals remains to be seen.

Harper hasn't shined in the polls mainly because many look to the media to form their opinions. Also, it's been so long since we've had a leader willing to make unpopular decisions for the good of the country, many people don't respect him for it. He funtions as a leader of the country as he should, versus the leader of a party who's decisions are based solely on politics.

[madmax]

This question is also a push poll, no point in even responding. :rolleyes

I am the one rolling my eyes.

The question was clear, concise, and allows people to declare which Candidate they believe to be stronger.

I did not ask the "effective opposition" question when the Liberals had no leader.

I did ask this question after the negative add campaigns. I can't control those adds, I am asking a poll out of curiousity.

This is NOT a PUSH Poll.

[Catchme]

A "push poll" is a poll which deliberately attempts to bias results by phasing questions a certain way.

Again, the numbers from Strategic Council do not even show Harper getting as much as a minority as what he currently has, the numbers are lower than what Harper and CPC were polling at before the last election and they are lower than what they received at the election.

You just gotta love the false hype/propaganda surrounding this, and then a poll here presented to show the validity of the Strategic Council's poll.

[madmax]

You just gotta love the false hype/propaganda surrounding this, and then a poll here presented to show the validity of the Strategic Council's poll.

I don't control the results of the poll and if you wish to hypothisis (sp) that the reason for the results is directly related to the Strategic Council polls, then that is up to you.

Not voting here only distorts the current results if you are a supporter of someone other than Harper. That might be a problem with the poll but I can't control that either. Never could make people vote, even if it is effortless web voting.

You don't have to like the results. But where are all the die hard "liberals" that would plug a Dion vote no matter what the circumstance. I believe that you could say that Harper is a strong leader, and wouldn't vote for him. Some of his strength is to push forward ideas that many people might not agree with including some in his own party.

Doesn't mean he is right, Doesn't mean alot. Putin has shown himself to be a strong leader. George Bush first appeared like a lathargic leader, then a strong leader, and now a very weak leader.

This is a poll in a moment of time.

The propoganda around this is the attack adds.

The results are as above and the poll is still new.

[Canadian Blue]

See you failed to note the other 2 polls that show Harper trailing, both Dion and layton,and one of them was The Best Prime Minister questions. Why are you failling to report on the whole polls BTW?

Because you couldn't understand the poll.

Dion, an environmentalist who famously named his dog Kyoto, has made tackling climate change a major issue for his party.

But the poll hints that Canadians do not consider his plan much more effective than that offered by the Conservatives:

Liberals: 23 per cent

Conservatives: 20 per cent

NDP: 21 per cent

Bloc Quebecois: 6 per cent

Other/don't know/refused: 31 per cent

[Melanie_]

I'm having a hard time with this thread, because I am unclear about what is being asked. Strength and effectiveness are not necessarily the same thing. Who is the strongest leader? I'll say Harper. Who is the most effective leader, as the thread title says? Not Harper. He uses his strength to keep everyone in check, but I don't think that really speaks to his effectiveness. Dion hasn't had enough time yet to really show what he is capable of. I don't know a great deal about Duceppe. Layton does his job, which is to stir the pot whenever he can, and advance his party's agenda while in a position of limited power.

[madmax]

I'm having a hard time with this thread, because I am unclear about what is being asked. Strength and effectiveness are not necessarily the same thing. Who is the strongest leader?

Yes you are correct and that was my error. I was going to put "effective" but then I didn't want to ask a similar question to my last poll. I already had the title up, and that was that.

The question is strongest, and your analyses is accurate.

I do not discount the fact that, if I used the term "effective" the poll could be somewhat different in its results.

But nothing was done on purpose or intentionally to sway the voting.