Hasan Ali Tokuqin Posted January 11, 2007 Report Posted January 11, 2007 What is freemasonry? a gentlemans's club ? a cabal controls world monteray system ? a secret society that all its secrets revealed today? are they a mafia with illicit undertakings? or a noble organiztion care foor poor and destitute ? are they a paganic cult ? or antichrist and devil worshipers ? a fraternity ? are they related conspriacies like 9-11 ? or all is mockery... I'm very very confused..... Quote
Catchme Posted January 11, 2007 Report Posted January 11, 2007 Just google it and you will get close to 2 million hits, I am sure you could find something there to support whatever it is you are trying to get at. Suffice it to say though, neither Canada or the USA would be in existence today, in the form they are in, if not for the Freemasons Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
jester Posted January 11, 2007 Report Posted January 11, 2007 IN basic terms you will understand free-masony is getting a bricklayer to work for no monetary renumeration. Of course if you are trying to say it is a secret organisation bent on world domination then spout out, stop trying to be tricky. Or it could also be to blame for all of islams faults and failures, again gibberish away... Quote
jefferiah Posted January 11, 2007 Report Posted January 11, 2007 Masons in general are numerous and I dont think they are bad people. However, given the content of some masonic writings, including those of Manly Palmer Hall (a Canadian) and also Albert Pike, I don't think I would want to be involved with them whatever they are. Many people from all religions belong to Masonic groups, however I do feel that their core teachings undermine all these religions and amount to a brand of paganism. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
jefferiah Posted January 11, 2007 Report Posted January 11, 2007 Some notable quotes from Albert Pike's "Moral's and Dogma". (Pike was a Mason and this is one of his works on freemasonry). "Every Masonic Lodge is a temple of religion; and its teachings are instruction in religion." (Morals and Dogma, p.213) This quote establishes Freemasonry as a belief system. "The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry." (Morals and Dogma, p.819) This quote affirms the belief that the true principles of freemasonry are hidden to the lower levels and revealed only to the upper echelon. "The Bible is an indispensable part of the furniture of a Christian Lodge, only because it is the sacred book of the Christian religion. The Hebrew Pentateuch in a Hebrew Lodge, and the Koran in a Mohammedan one, belong on the altar; and one of these, and the Square and Compass, properly understood, are the Great Lights by which a Mason must walk and work. (Morals and Dogma, p.11) I think this quote reasonably establishes that the respect for all religions Masonry boasts is merely pandering. "Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" (Morals and Dogma, p.321) And this is the most questionable. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
M.Dancer Posted January 11, 2007 Report Posted January 11, 2007 "Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" (Morals and Dogma, p.321) And this is the most questionable. Just about everything written about masonry is bogus and is the same quality as the 9.11 conspiracy theorists..... Masonry means different things is different places. In continental Europe, masonry is an organization which looks out for the rights of protestants. For all the rituals and such, they have the same signifcance and sinister aspect as a university fraternity initiation ceremony. The most visable masons are shriners, who fancy tiny mini bikes and raising loads of money for children's hospitals. My uncle was an high order mason and a member of good standing within the church. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
kimmy Posted January 11, 2007 Report Posted January 11, 2007 Watch the movie "From Hell," starring Johnny Depp, and all will be revealed to you. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
M.Dancer Posted January 11, 2007 Report Posted January 11, 2007 The Stonecutters: Who controls the British Crown? Who keeps the metric system down? We Do! We Do! Who keeps Atlantis off the maps? Who keeps the Martians under wraps? We Do! We Do! Who holds back the electric car? Who makes Steve Guttenberg a star? We Do! We Do! Who robs cavefish of their sight Who rigs every Oscar night? We Do! We Do! Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jefferiah Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 "Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!" (Morals and Dogma, p.321) And this is the most questionable. Just about everything written about masonry is bogus and is the same quality as the 9.11 conspiracy theorists..... Masonry means different things is different places. In continental Europe, masonry is an organization which looks out for the rights of protestants. For all the rituals and such, they have the same signifcance and sinister aspect as a university fraternity initiation ceremony. The most visable masons are shriners, who fancy tiny mini bikes and raising loads of money for children's hospitals. My uncle was an high order mason and a member of good standing within the church. I understand that you are leary of conspiracy theories. So am I. However these quotes I made about freemasonry are not from some conpiracy theory book, they are from a respected "masonic" text by a respected mason, Albert Pike. The masons offer many explanations as to why Pike says what he says but I dont find any of them satisfactory. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
jefferiah Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 Just for the record the book that I quoted from---Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike was given to a candidate on his receipt of the 14th degree of the Scottish Rite. I have this information from a Masonic website, not from a conspiracy theory site. You can read this book on masonic websites, and determine whether or not these quotes or the material contained therein would not qualify as being heretical to Christianity, Judaism etc. There is no doubt in my mind that they are. The masonic defense is that people don't understand what Pike means. I just don't buy it. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
Wilber Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 I don't know much about it but one of my grandfathers and an uncle were Masons. Two of the kindest, gentlest people I have known and very active in community service. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jefferiah Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 I dont doubt that they were. I am not asserting any particular conspiracy theory about the masons. I am only pointing out what would make me shy away from them, and also you will note that one of the quotes I used seems to suggest (on a Mason's own word) that the true meaning of masonry is hidden from outer degrees. Even though I believe, for instance, that Masonry is heretical to Christianity and Judaism there are many Jews and Christians who are members. Are they exposed to these writings I wonder? Do they know what it is all about? It may be presumptious of me, but I think many of them are not aware of this, or else they would have nothing to do with it. Another quote I left out from Morals and Dogma says that the Christian God is none other than Osiris or Baal. The pentagram is a symbol used frequently in masonry. Masonic writings include mention of many pagan Gods and occult related things. They make no secret of this and then on their websites they have the "you dont understand" defense. Its like a creature walking around, that looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and trying to tell you "I aint a duck". Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
Hasan Ali Tokuqin Posted January 12, 2007 Author Report Posted January 12, 2007 -Thank, god I am carl jung, not a jungian. -All I know about Marxism, that I am not marxist -As a Satan, I am not satanist. So everybody fears the things they belive and do ...... Quote
M.Dancer Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 With all due respect......the Albert Pike stuff is right out of the Da Vinci Code http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm If half of what is said about Pike is true (and I doubt it) I doubt his word about anything could be taken seriously. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jefferiah Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 But then why is Pike's book a respected text in Masonry. Why is it posted on Freemasonry websites? Also there are the works of Manly Palmer Hall. The Encyclopedia of Freemasonry. Their own writings say these things that I have quoted. I have never read the Da Vinci Code and I dont believe in the idea it is based on. Nonetheless, all this literature is Masonic literature. Not literature from a conspiracy theory website. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
M.Dancer Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 Is it respected? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 Okay....let me elaborate....if Pike was a statanist (were there satatnists in the 19th centrury?) it doesn't follow that because of one man, that Masonry is satanic. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jefferiah Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 If the book was presented to a Mason on his receipt of the 14th degree then yes I would say it is respected. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
jefferiah Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 Quotes I have found from texts of Freemasony posted on www.freemasons-freemasonry.com. This site is one of the recommended websites posted on The Grand Lodge of BC's website. This website has some online books. "There is truth in all these charges. The average Mason is lamentably ignorant of the real meaning of Masonic Symbology and knows little of its esoteric teaching." Freemasonry: It's Hidden Meaning, George Steinmetz. "Neither is masonry a philosophy; albeit behind it lies a large philosophical background not appearing in its surafce rituals and doctrine, but left for discovery to the research of the Brethren. That philosophical background is a Gnosis or Wisdom-teaching as old as the world, one which has been shared alike by the Vedists of the East, the Egyptian, Chaldean, and Orphic Initiation Systems, the Pyhtagorean and Platonist schools, and all the mystery temples of both the past and present...." Masonic Iniatiation by W.L. Wilmhurst Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
jefferiah Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 "A candidate proposing to enter Freemasonry has seldom any definite idea of the nature of what he is engaging in. Even after his admission he usually remains quite at a loss to explain satisfactorily what a Masonry is and for what purpose his Order exists." The Meaning of Masonry, Wilhelm Leslie Wilmhurst "For many members of the Craft to be a Mason implies merely connection with a body which seems to be something combining the natures of a club and a benefit society. They find, of course, a certain religious element in it, but as they are told that religious discussion, which means of course, sectarian religious discussion, is forbidden in the Lodge, they infer that Masonry is not a religious institution." From the same book as the above quote. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
M.Dancer Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 Be careful.... just because it says fremasonry doesn't mean it;s a freemason site Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jefferiah Posted January 12, 2007 Report Posted January 12, 2007 The site is recommended on the website for The Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon. Confirmed by the website for a known Lodge. I already stated this. Quote "Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu
Figleaf Posted January 14, 2007 Report Posted January 14, 2007 What is freemasonry?a gentlemans's club ? a cabal controls world monteray system ? a secret society that all its secrets revealed today? are they a mafia with illicit undertakings? or a noble organiztion care foor poor and destitute ? are they a paganic cult ? or antichrist and devil worshipers ? a fraternity ? are they related conspriacies like 9-11 ? or all is mockery... I'm very very confused..... Yes. Quote
Hasan Ali Tokuqin Posted January 16, 2007 Author Report Posted January 16, 2007 A multiple choice question Which is the great secret of freemasonry ? A) Elixir Of Longevity, immortal life. Touching and turning everything in gold by Phlioshoper's Stone. C) A secret treasure map crypted on 1$ dollar bills by founding fathers. D) Living descendants Of Jesus Christ. E) Time travel with a solid aura. F) Channeling occult energies into immense energy and power of sex. G)None of these. Quote
scribblet Posted January 16, 2007 Report Posted January 16, 2007 Most of what is written about Masonic lodges is speculation and myth, today it is a well respected organization which for the most part is a social encounter with charitable work. Although not members, we know close friends who are and enjoy their dances and odd other social event, all the people I have met are for the most part Christian, but more recently other religions. None are remotely satanic or anything close. these are just 3 thing you must be or believe in you must be a man you must believe in god and the afterlife you must be 18 http://grandlodge.on.ca/150thAnniversary/D...ictProjects.htm http://www.hoffmanlodge412.org/charities.htm this is an American lodge, there are many others involved in charitable work. As you know some Masons move up to be Shriners who are well known for their charity work, especially with burn victims. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
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