Islamic Schools in Canada

[mikedavid00]

Wow. Self-Hating, Anti-Christian, Anti-Canadian Lib.

Where those acts commited on BEHALF of Christianity or text from the Bible? This doesn't happen becuae Christianity is not a religion which clearly insturct killing and death as the Quaran does. Same with Hinduism, same with Judism.

As a Christian, one figures that you would have read the Bible but clearly you haven't. You just heard things from others about the Bible. Or maybe you heard things that others heard about the Bible. What a joke.

Please show where the Bible, Hindu, Budist, Jewish book tells the reader to kill someone. NOT a story where someone was killed, but saying 'you should kill someone if..'. Only the Qu'aran does this... and possibly the Skih book.

[mikedavid00]

Now if these Muslims want to live in a rural village somewhere and not bother anyone like those Christian sects you're referring to, I'm okay with that. But that's not what's happening.

Satrun,

Why not look at this link of a public school in Texas. Pay special attention to what the girl with the white hijab says:

Do you think this is a postive thing? Even in Texas American secularism is not powerful enough to integrate these muslim kids.

When you mix Islam with south asian culture (some consider this to be the most self-praised, xenephobic culture in the world), you have Pakistani. The worst of both worlds.

[Saturn]

Satrun,

Why not look at this link of a public school in Texas. Pay special attention to what the girl with the white hijab says:

Do you think this is a postive thing? Even in Texas American secularism is not powerful enough to integrate these muslim kids.

You know what? I don't care. I can't imagine that Pakistanis are bigger xenophobes than you are. If it's not Ohio, nor Syria, will you go to Pakistan? You'll fit right in.

[Saturn]

So you think that you can have publicly funded Catholic schools but there should be no publicly funded Muslim schools?

Wrong!

On top of that you figure there should be no Muslim schools public or private?

Wrong again!

One religion will not be given preference over others! You don't want Muslim schools, well then you will have to work on shutting down Christian and Jewish schools too. Good luck!

[Argus]

So you think that you can have publicly funded Catholic schools but there should be no publicly funded Muslim schools?

Wrong!

On top of that you figure there should be no Muslim schools public or private?

Wrong again!

One religion will not be given preference over others! You don't want Muslim schools, well then you will have to work on shutting down Christian and Jewish schools too. Good luck!

The problem is that Christian and Jewish schools tend to teach Canadian values. Muslim schools are run by foreign immigrants and designed to perpetuate their foreign cultures and values. Like I said, Irshad Manji was expelled from her Muslim school for questioning all the hatred being taught about Jews. You think that school was unique?

[scribblet]

The problem is that Christian and Jewish schools tend to teach Canadian values. Muslim schools are run by foreign immigrants and designed to perpetuate their foreign cultures and values. Like I said, Irshad Manji was expelled from her Muslim school for questioning all the hatred being taught about Jews. You think that school was unique?

I tend to think not, but we do have a problem not allowing them as long as we allow public funding for Catholic Schools, which does discriminate. I don't know if there is way that can be changed (take funding from RC) I'm guessing they can't take away rights allready granted, any gov't that tried it wouldn't last long, I bet.

Possibly a part solution to hate being taught in Muslim schools is more gov't oversight and a thorough check of all materials used in the curriculum.

[blueblood]

Just one thing though, do non-catholics attend catholic schools? Aren't catholic schools fairly large and a lot of people go to catholic schools. Are religion classes mandatory there or can you take other classes. If that's the case they are a school similar to public schools, more similar than others...

[kimmy]

Why not look at this link of a public school in Texas. Pay special attention to what the girl with the white hijab says:

Do you think this is a postive thing? Even in Texas American secularism is not powerful enough to integrate these muslim kids.

They seem like nice, well-adjusted kids. Surely *these* aren't the young muslims we're worried about.

-k

[madmax]

How many terrorist incidents have the evangelical Christian groups committed in the last decade?

I don't know if bombing of Abortion Clinics count. Or Shooting Doctors.

Prior to the last decade, it would be hard for them to be terrorists, they were to busy committing suicide,

Jim Jones.

[madmax]

Kopp shooting's, Oklahoma City Bombing, etc.

Committed by white christian's.

Wow! Two of them! That many!

Oh, wait, I didn't ask about "individual nut cases" but groups. How many violent, terroristic Christian groups have launched attacks over the past twenty or thirty years. Round numbers will do.

I believe Ireland provides acts of religious terrorism.

Sabrah and Shattila were mass slaughters by Christians Militias.

[madmax]

One religion will not be given preference over others! You don't want Muslim schools, well then you will have to work on shutting down Christian and Jewish schools too. Good luck!

If that's the price to stop Radical Islam, The let's do it. Nothing wrong with Public Education, they can learn religion on their own time, their own tab.

[Saturn]

The problem is that Christian and Jewish schools tend to teach Canadian values. Muslim schools are run by foreign immigrants and designed to perpetuate their foreign cultures and values.

Apparently, Christian and Jewish schools teach racism and intolerance as evidenced by the anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim views on this board. These are not Canadian values. They sure aren't my values. You want no Muslim schools - you are going to have to get rid of Christian and Jewish schools too.

You either allow religious schools or you don't! There is no option in between.

[madmax]

. How many violent, terroristic Christian groups have launched attacks over the past twenty or thirty years. Round numbers will do.

Well, here is a relatively current one. Jesus would not be impressed.

Terrorists Kill 44, Wound 118 in Attacks in Northeast India

GUWAHATI, India (AFP)

PEACE ON EARTH GOODWILL TOWARDS MAN :blink:

Non proven article removed

MADMAX

[Saturn]

One religion will not be given preference over others! You don't want Muslim schools, well then you will have to work on shutting down Christian and Jewish schools too. Good luck!

If that's the price to stop Radical Islam, The let's do it. Nothing wrong with Public Education, they can learn religion on their own time, their own tab.

I'm all for it. Schools are institutions of education, churches, mosques and synagogues are institutions of religion. Save education for the schools and religion for the rest. The education system should not raise religious fanatics/radicals of any kind.

[scribblet]

Just one thing though, do non-catholics attend catholic schools? Aren't catholic schools fairly large and a lot of people go to catholic schools. Are religion classes mandatory there or can you take other classes. If that's the case they are a school similar to public schools, more similar than others...

I believe in Ontario, since Davis extended RC funding, non catholics can attend , but only if there are spaces available (no RCs waiting to get in)

I'd be interested in knowing what legislation would be required to stop funding RC schools - is it a constitutional issues as I know it comes from the BNA . (remember the UN weighed in on this and ruled it is discriminatory)

[mikedavid00]

I can't imagine that Pakistanis are bigger xenophobes than you are.

Lol oh you are so, so wrong on this. Any Pakistani family would *never* have you mix with them or get involved with their daughters. Any generation. They would never even have you in thier hous let alone.

[mikedavid00]

I tend to think not, but we do have a problem not allowing them as long as we allow public funding for Catholic Schools, which does discriminate. I don't know if there is way that can be changed (take funding from RC) I'm guessing they can't take away rights allready granted, any gov't that tried it wouldn't last long, I bet.

The gov't likes the seperate schoolboard because they are cheaper and have a lower paid staff with a less troublesome union that rarely strikes or asks for more.

Possibly a part solution to hate being taught in Muslim schools is more gov't oversight and a thorough check of all materials used in the curriculum.

Are you kidding?

[mikedavid00]

So you think that you can have publicly funded Catholic schools but there should be no publicly funded Muslim schools?

Wrong!

Self hatred.

On top of that you figure there should be no Muslim schools public or private?

Wrong again!

There should not be. These schools have had incidents of promoting terrorism as in Ottawa. Thus, the schools are not allowed to protect Canadian security. One bad apple ruins the bunch.

Trudeau was Canada's bad apple. He ruined the bunch (canada). Same logic applies.

One religion will not be given preference over others!

Yes it will. Judism and Christianity will have preference. It's what our liberal, western democrocy is based off.

Canada is not a funded by, nor a nation of Islam (yet).

You don't want Muslim schools, well then you will have to work on shutting down Christian and Jewish schools too. Good luck!

In traditional Ignatieff, Liberal, Self-hating, ideological terms your right.

But you know what? Being 'fair' to everyone is ideological. It's not practical, and not realit, and it's NOT NEEDED to run policy. There's no such thing as anything 'fair' in this world.

Muslims want their own private school? No.

Muslims want to fund their own home schooling? No.

Muslims want to air an anti-Canadian broadcast on our publicly funded broadcaster? No.

Muslims identify themselves as 'Canadians'? NO.

Muslims should thus continue to be allowed to Canada? ____.

This is my country, it's our country. It's called Canada for Canadians. When 70% of people do NOT even consider themselves Canadian, you've lost your privelage to be here.

But Saturn (and seemingly Ricki) in his Liberal self destructive agenda would rather have myself, an actual Canadian who has contributed to this country my whole life rather leave Canada to make way for Islam.

Yes. I would leave if I could. Canada is in a serious mess and the leadership is not there to fix it. Islam and immigration is something that the media and elite have decided we're 'not allowed to discuss'.

Well, I'll continue to discuss it.

You will continue to defend them and see Canada destroyed.

[mikedavid00]

Just one thing though, do non-catholics attend catholic schools?

Yes they do.

Once a month there is mass. Out of the whole school, there will be about 3-4 kids whose parents don't want them sitting in the auditoriom so the kids will wait in a nearby classroom or if they are older get a spare.

Aren't catholic schools fairly large and a lot of people go to catholic schools.

Yes. They are pretty much no different then public schools.

Are religion classes mandatory there or can you take other classes.

You can take other classes. The seperate schoolboard can't deny anyone.

If that's the case they are a school similar to public schools, more similar than others...[/quote

That's right.

Islamic schools is a *completely* different ballgame.

[mikedavid00]

They seem like nice, well-adjusted kids. Surely *these* aren't the young muslims we're worried about.

-k

Well if you watched the video with the sound on and actually saw it you would see that these kids are not 'well-adjusted'.

Why not see the video in my sig and see if the kids in the GTA look 'well adjusted' to you.

[scribblet]

Are you kidding?

???

They do have to meet the provincial curriculum standards, so obviously there is some oversight,so why not other subjects . Speaking of which, what subject would the teaching of hatred towards Jews come under ?

Remember the Muslim school in Agincourt a few years back which was caught out teaching hatred of Jews; they were doing this during Arabic language lessons. As far as I know they only got a reprimand and not closed down.

[mikedavid00]

The armed insurgency in Nagaland began soon after much of the local population converted to Christianity. Many militant groups, seeking to secede from India to form an independent Christian state, are funded and armed by the Southern Baptist Church. Some of the groups such as the National Liberation Front of Tripura have been involved in a campaign of “gunpoint conversions” and “ethnic cleansing” of native non-Christians, which has left over 50,000 dead and many more refugees over the past two decades.

All hearsay, hype, and third world reporting which I completley ignore.

I would also like to see the name of the author that wrote this article.

Read the Indian newspapers and you will be shocked at how they just make stuff up out of thin air. It's really, really, corrupt and politically oriented.

[jbg]

Unlike you who can't find his way into Ohio, I am Canadian and I happen to believe that this country is built by Canadians, not by Christians or by Jews. Now, if you can't take your ignorant ass to Ohio legally, can't you just cross the border illegally?

Huh? Which Canadians that were not either Christians or Jews really helped build Canada? The Toronto 17?

[kimmy]

Unlike you who can't find his way into Ohio, I am Canadian and I happen to believe that this country is built by Canadians, not by Christians or by Jews. Now, if you can't take your ignorant ass to Ohio legally, can't you just cross the border illegally?

Huh? Which Canadians that were not either Christians or Jews really helped build Canada? The Toronto 17?

I suspect that very few of the Chinese workers who worked and died building our railroads were Christians...

-k

[madmax]

All hearsay, hype, and third world reporting which I completley ignore.

I would also like to see the name of the author that wrote this article.

Read the Indian newspapers and you will be shocked at how they just make stuff up out of thin air. It's really, really, corrupt and politically oriented.

Much as I hate to do this. I did yank that post out of the blue, without looking any deeper. I did some other research on it, and while there are serious problems in the area, and the event occurred, it is very hard to find other sound sources backing up the "Christian" nature of the attack.

Yeah, I am aware of Indian and Pakistani articles.

So, until further notice, I am withdrawing the above article as "not Proven".

And will edit it from the thread. Back to the facts.

Jesus can rest a bit with his Christian Flock , but there is still some killing he needs to trouble over.

And thats the fact Jack.