Afghan mission "doomed to fail"

[Canadian Blue]

Are you not listening? The Afghanis are about have a Jihad to get rid of the liars who have invaded their country with false promises.

Not according to the reports I have read coming in from Afghanistan. I am abit more rational and logical on the subject so let me address this abit more.

What we need to do is strengthen our presence on the Pakistani border, and increase the troop level's in the south. However currently the Dutch, Brits, American's, and Canadian's, are stretched to the limit. I hope that in the next year we'll start to see more European troop's in the south of the country to help in the fight.

Not all Afghan's are going to have a jihad, just the Taliban. The Taliban has been regrouping since 2002. You'd be surprised what a few terrorists can do.

Leave the country instead of killing more of those you say your there trying to help. Why do you keep over looking this aspect?

Canadian soldiers are not killing civilian's, and once again why do you think the Taliban would be a better alternative than NATO soldiers?

We are not in battle, so NO they should not be there, nor were they until Harper took office, and then more Canadians started dying, so I guess tanks there really do very little protecting of Canadian military now do they?

Their have always been tanks in Afghanistan, not necessarily Canadian, but they have been there.

As well I don't see any correlation between the tanks and casualties in Afghanistan. As well your lack of any military knowledge is really starting to show on here.

Your guess would be wrong. And I know exactly why e were there, I was actually proud of the very successful efforts we were having in the beginning, until the USA's promise of reconstruction money did not come.

I never bashed our soldier, that is a red herring unworthy of this discussion. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Well, claiming Canadian soldiers kill civilian's is a pretty strong claim.

War in a country always causes starvation, it does not take evidence to support that, plus there are links in this very thread that say so, apparently you did not read them. You were at the other read thats had a luink also, did you not read it?

Are you sure it's not caused by drought?

Now why would we be there to rebuild? Your comment of not knowing is....

No, were their to rebuild alot of Afghanistan's infrastructure, and in order to do that you want the country to be safe. Currently we need to defeat the Taliban in order to rebuild Afghanistan. It doesn't make any sense to focus soley on reconstruction while your coming under enemy fire.

Not launch an offensive that kills civilians and stil does no good, in fact it has made things worse so.... other means than bringing tanks in should have been undertaken, like insisting the uSA buck up promised reconstruction monies.

Do you have a link to back this up, and use either CNN, BBC, CTV, Wikipedia, Answers.com, etc. Not rotten.com, or blacklistednews.com

I'm not aware that Medusa was only meant to kill civilian's. I believe their was collateral damage, however that is always unfortunate, and we will often take steps to minimize any civilian loss of life. Operation Medusa was meant to weaken the Taliban, and it was successful in doing so.

That would be hearsay information to me and to others reading this. I am sure others like I have heard reports otherwise.

I read information of the DIN about what's happening in Afghanistan, and being a member of the military I often am able to get informaiton on Afghanistan from people who have been there.

So, have I and the reports are saying Afghanis are joining the Taliban, as better the devil you know, than you don't. rember the facts in the article that started this thread, as it seems you may have forgotten.

Well, it doesn't surprise me considering some Taliban sypathizers and former supporters were elected. However what is the general mood of the entire parliament, and I believe a majority want us to stay.

Were not going to cower because of what a few members of Parliament say, while the vast majority want us to stay. As well that's not representative of the entire population, and I think a large majority prefer us over the Taliban.

It is not up to me to make the argument, it is up to the Afghanis to state their case and they are stating it, some are just not listening.

What a few MP's state doesn't mean the entire country of Afghanistan is against us. I'm pretty sure a large majority want us to stay in that country, unless you can prove otherwise.

The country was torn apart byfor NO reason our military was to go to reconstruct. Which they were doing, and slowly gaining ground until about a year ago, when somehow everything changed!

Your ignorance on the issue is really starting to show. We were moved to the southern region of Afghanistan under Paul Martin's Liberal government. The south is more hostile than the relative peaceful north.

Somehow everything changed because we went to the area with the most activity from the Taliban. I remember my whole platoon being told in September of 2005 that Canadian soldiers would be getting killed in combat, and we were shown video's of IED's in Iraq in order to get the point across of what would be expected of some of us who would go over.

The country has been getting torn apart by the Taliban. As well the Canadian military is helping train the Afghan's how to defend their own country so we can eventually leave.

[Canuck E Stan]

Catchme,

If it was my mother,my sister,my daughter or any woman alive living over there being treated as the Afghanistan women are being treated by the Taliban,my attitude would be help these women in ANY way you can.

If it means killing every Taliban you can,then, find them and keep killing them until every last one is gone.

Pull out and leave the these women, never.

Ok Boys...Tell me how to be a feminist

No permission needed, no permission given!

You're no feminist.

[Canadian Blue]

I don't think catchme really know's all that much about Afghanistan.

As you can easily tell by the post about Afghanistan. Because apparently the Taliban are better than the Canadian Forces.

The funny thing is she claim's to be a feminist, yet rails against our troop's who happen to be dying so females can get an education, vote, etc.

[jdobbin]

As you can easily tell by the post about Afghanistan. Because apparently the Taliban are better than the Canadian Forces.

The Taliban are not better fighters. But they do have sanctuaries where they can't be touched and all the time in the world to wait and to continue harassing NATO and Afghan civilians.

[Catchme]

I am abit more rational and logical on the subject so let me address this abit more.

catchme says to that: That would be your own opinion of course, and trying to frame the discussion from a point like that is shoddy.

Not all Afghan's are going to have a jihad, just the Taliban. The Taliban has been regrouping since 2002. You'd be surprised what a few terrorists can do.

Canadian soldiers are not killing civilian's, and once again why do you think the Taliban would be a better alternative than NATO soldiers?

Their have always been tanks in Afghanistan, not necessarily Canadian, but they have been there.

As well I don't see any correlation between the tanks and casualties in Afghanistan. As well your lack of any military knowledge is really starting to show on here.

Well, claiming Canadian soldiers kill civilian's is a pretty strong claim.

Are you sure it's not caused by drought?

Do you have a link to back this up, and use either CNN, BBC, CTV, Wikipedia, Answers.com, etc. Not rotten.com, or blacklistednews.com

I'm not aware that Medusa was only meant to kill civilian's. I believe their was collateral damage, however that is always unfortunate, and we will often take steps to minimize any civilian loss of life. Operation Medusa was meant to weaken the Taliban, and it was successful in doing so.

Were not going to cower because of what a few members of Parliament say, while the vast majority want us to stay. As well that's not representative of the entire population, and I think a large majority prefer us over the Taliban.

What a few MP's state doesn't mean the entire country of Afghanistan is against us. I'm pretty sure a large majority want us to stay in that country, unless you can prove otherwise.

Your ignorance on the issue is really starting to show. We were moved to the southern region of Afghanistan under Paul Martin's Liberal government. The south is more hostile than the relative peaceful north.

The country has been getting torn apart by the Taliban. As well the Canadian military is helping train the Afghan's how to defend their own country so we can eventually leave.

The Afghanis have been defending their country pretty good for several hundred years, even Russia had to leave. fairly arrrogent to think we could make them adhere to our dictates.

You are apparently saying Canadians have not killed civilians, yet, our military are coming home with PSTD because of it, and you your self report there is collateral damage which is only a nice way to say: "UH, WE KILLED CIVILIANS"

Harper extended the mission, our military should have came home.

You have not proved they want us to stay though you have said your own opinion often enough, while I on the other hand have provided articles as well as the first article by BC Chick stands.

So put up your proof other than say: "Karzi wants us to stay", as then we are just propping up a dictator.

You cannot discount the MP's in a democracy, or you do not have one, they were democratically elected after all.

Drought is the a part of the problem, but its effect has been worsened as you should know by the destruction of the dikes. I was quite clear on that.

Just google Afghanistan and USA reconstruction money not delivered or something close to that and you get a million or so hits. Besides this BBC one:

Washington's refusal to take state building in Afghanistan seriously after 2001 and instead waging a fruitless war in Iraq, created a major international distraction which the Taleban took advantage of to slowly rebuild their forces

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/5029190.stm

Oh yes, the link to BBC also explains why the Taliban have been regrouping.

[Canadian Blue]

The Afghanis have been defending their country pretty good for several hundred years, even Russia had to leave. fairly arrrogent to think we could make them adhere to our dictates.

We are not dictating anybody, if their parliament and government want us to leave, we'll leave.

You are apparently saying Canadians have not killed civilians, yet, our military are coming home with PSTD because of it, and you your self report there is collateral damage which is only a nice way to say: "UH, WE KILLED CIVILIANS"

Name me one military conflict which has resulted in ZERO civilian death's, collateral damage is an unfortunate part of war.

As well its not PSTD, its PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, it's suffered by most members of the military, and many emergency service's personal. It unfortunately come's along with the job if you end up seeing some terrible thing's.

Soldier's will have PTSD from any military conflict. Watch Shake Hands With the Devil, Dallaire has PTSD. It was caused from the west doing nothing while hundreds of thousands of civilian's were killed.

So put up your proof other than say: "Karzi wants us to stay", as then we are just propping up a dictator.

Karzai is not a dictator. He won Afghanistan's democratic election, thus he is a democratically elected leader.

Honestly, think before you say this stuff.

You cannot discount the MP's in a democracy, or you do not have one, they were democratically elected after all.

[Catchme]

I don't think catchme really know's all that much about Afghanistan.

Because apparently the Taliban are better than the Canadian Forces.

Quite the contrary, it is you have evidenced no knowledge of Afganistan before last week it seems, as you say, you know none of the history leading to this point, and you appear to not know any history of the Afghanis peoples in history at all.

Nor did I say the Taliban are better than Canadian Forces.

Trying to frame a debate along the lines of personal commentary, as you have been doing, is bad form. Compounding it by putting words in others mouths shows bad form and an inability to debate the points presented.

I also stated I was all for the reconstructive efforts when they were going on.

As a feminist, I understand that that it is up to the Afghanis women to define and fight for their own choices in life in their own country, just as it is for Canadian women, or Japanese women, or Brazilian women, or in fact any woman in any country. It seems you do not know much about feminism and self determination without interference from others imposing their values and views.

[Canadian Blue]

The Afghanis have been defending their country pretty good for several hundred years, even Russia had to leave. fairly arrrogent to think we could make them adhere to our dictates.

We are not dictating anybody, if their parliament and government want us to leave, we'll leave.

You are apparently saying Canadians have not killed civilians, yet, our military are coming home with PSTD because of it, and you your self report there is collateral damage which is only a nice way to say: "UH, WE KILLED CIVILIANS"

Name me one military conflict which has resulted in ZERO civilian death's, collateral damage is an unfortunate part of war.

As well its not PSTD, its PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, it's suffered by most members of the military, and many emergency service's personal. It unfortunately come's along with the job if you end up seeing some terrible thing's.

Soldier's will have PTSD from any military conflict. Watch Shake Hands With the Devil, Dallaire has PTSD. It was caused from the west doing nothing while hundreds of thousands of civilian's were killed.

So put up your proof other than say: "Karzi wants us to stay", as then we are just propping up a dictator.

Karzai is not a dictator. He won Afghanistan's democratic election, thus he is a democratically elected leader.

Honestly, think before you say this stuff.

You cannot discount the MP's in a democracy, or you do not have one, they were democratically elected after all.

No, that is why I like to take into account what all the MP's have to say, not some member's who were Taliban sympathizer's. They are democratically elected, but they don't represent every single MP's perspective.

Drought is the a part of the problem, but its effect has been worsened as you should know by the destruction of the dikes. I was quite clear on that.

Why would our military destroy the dikes, we don't do that shit for fun. If you can't back it up, don't make those claim's because you are making false claim's against our soldiers in Afghanistan.

Just google Afghanistan and USA reconstruction money not delivered or something close to that and you get a million or so hits. Besides this BBC one:

I'm not here to back up your claim's, you have to back up your own arguments on here.

However I read the article and I largely agree with what is said. However at the same time, I think it's important to realize that we are up against an aggressive enemy in Afghanistan, and we need to engage in combat operation's in order for the country to stabalize. However I will not call for an immediate pullout as that would create chaos, and I believe the situation would worsen.

catchme says to that: That would be your own opinion of course, and trying to frame the discussion from a point like that is shoddy.

No, because of the claim's you made. Calling Karzai a dictator is simply foolish, and it doesn't add anything of substance, it only showcases obvious ignorance with regards to the Afghan government.

As well a pullout would simply destroy all of the progress which has been made.

http://www.aidafghanistan.net/

Fouzia is now 12 years old. A beautiful young woman with startling green eyes, she began attending one of the Aid Afghanistan clandestine schools for girls in Kabul four year ago. The classroom was nothing more than a one-room house, run by a courageous teacher, Maliha, who held secret classes for girls despite the education ban. Maliha had a number of grade classes and taught math, reading, writing and English. The windows were covered with plastic to keep out the cold, and the prying eyes of the Taliban.

Two years ago, the authorities became suspicious and burst in on a class. Fouzia was there that day, learning multiples tables. With the other girls, she was beaten until her hands were bleeding. Fortunately the Taliban officials, satisfied with their scare tactics, soon lost interest. Within days, the girls were creeping back to the classroom, this time concealing their textbooks within the covers of the Koran. "We would arrive one at a time, make sure no one was watching and sneak into the room," she laughs. "If anyone asked, we told them 'the Taliban told Teacher we should learn the Koran'."

But to this day, Fouzia says, many of her schoolmates are still nervous about going to school. They have grown up under the Taliban and it takes a lot of courage to walk into that room each day. But they do. And they see education as the most precious gift. Fouzia's mother, who for the last three years has been forced to beg on the streets, has encouraged her. "My mother had some education - she knew how important it was for me, or she would never have let me to be in danger."

It is truly reprehensible that children in this century should experience education in this way. But Fouzia is an inspiration. She is determined to learn and has decided she wants two careers: To be an engineer "like my father" (who disappeared years ago); and to be a journalist: "I want, one day, to interview the Presidents of America and France."

http://www.canada-afghanistan.gc.ca/active-role-en.asp

[Catchme]

We are not dictating anybody, if their parliament and government want us to leave, we'll leave.

Name me one military conflict which has resulted in ZERO civilian death's, collateral damage is an unfortunate part of war.

So put up your proof other than say: "Karzi wants us to stay", as then we are just propping up a dictator.

Karzai is not a dictator. He won Afghanistan's democratic election, thus he is a democratically elected leader.

Honestly, think before you say this stuff.

You discounted the MP's voices above in the thread not me, and you stated "Karzi wants us to be there", as evidence of I know not what, he is 1 voice. I was merely pointing out to you that you must acknowledge the MP's you yourself discounted prior to this, as by supporting only Karzi's view means you are supporting a dictatorship, please follow the posts better.

In all the dialogues, in the last few days, we have had Canadian blue, you have shown yourself to be woefully uninformed, and bolster that lack with personal disparagements against posters. Which again is shoddy thought processes and posting. You ask for proof of others but only provide opinion only on your part. Again I walk away from a thread as I am sure now of what you are.

[Canadian Blue]

Quite the contrary, it is you have evidenced no knowledge of Afganistan before last week it seems, as you say, you know none of the history leading to this point, and you appear to not know any history of the Afghanis peoples in history at all.

Nor did I say the Taliban are better than Canadian Forces.

Trying to frame a debate along the lines of personal commentary, as you have been doing, is bad form. Compounding it by putting words in others mouths shows bad form and an inability to debate the points presented.

I also stated I was all for the reconstructive efforts when they were going on.

As a feminist, I understand that that it is up to the Afghanis women to define and fight for their own choices in life in their own country, just as it is for Canadian women, or Japanese women, or Brazilian women, or in fact any woman in any country. It seems you do not know much about feminism and self determination without interference from others imposing their values and views.

How do you propose Canadian soldiers should do reconstruction work while coming under enemy fire, ignore it? Once again, your simply showing ignorance to the realities of southern Afghanistan.

I'd think it would be pretty hard to be a feminist under Taliban rule, I think they'd simply stone you.

As well it's not personal commentary, it's simply using fact, knowledge, and history. However when making comment's saying Canadian soldier's are responsible for the famine, provide something to back it up.

[Canadian Blue]

You discounted the MP's voices above in the thread not me, and you stated "Karzi wants us to be there", as evidence of I know not what, he is 1 voice. I was merely pointing out to you that you must acknowledge the MP's you yourself discounted prior to this, as by supporting only Karzi's view means you are supporting a dictatorship, please follow the posts better.

Because it's not representative of the entire Afghan parliament. If an MP in parliament makes some outrageous claim's, does that mean the entire parliament has the same views as that MP.

Karzai is representative of the entire country based on his election, as well are you now saying that Karzai isn't a dictator?

In all the dialogues, in the last few days, we have had Canadian blue, you have shown yourself to be woefully uninformed, and bolster that lack with personal disparagements against posters. Which again is shoddy thought processes and posting. You ask for proof of others but only provide opinion only on your part. Again I walk away from a thread as I am sure now of what you are.

I haven't gotten any complaint's from other member's, and have even had a constructive discussion with Normanchateau, whom I disagreed with often. So far only you, and Polynewbie have made these claim's.

As well I have provided proof, it's just that I used wikipedia.com, and answers.com, both of which are considered credible sources for information most of the time.

Catchme, you have called Stephen Harper a traitor, said George H Bush should be hanged along with Saddam Hussein, called Karzai a dictator despite the fact he is democratically elected, and said the US was the only nation responsible for Iraq's WMD's despite evidence to the contrary, and made unfounded ethics allegation's against Harper based on no evidence. I think the only person here who is uninformed is yourself.

As well you have used the "common public knowledge" argument on here which simply mean's you can't substantiate your argument.

As for using shoddy material, million's of people use the link's that I have often used. As well for someone who claim's Canadian soldiers are responsible for the famine based on no substantiated fact's, thats a pretty hypocritical claim to make. Most member's on here find your post's shoddy, and so far you haven't really provided any constructive debate.

[Canadian Blue]

In all the dialogues, in the last few days, we have had Canadian blue, you have shown yourself to be woefully uninformed, and bolster that lack with personal disparagements against posters. Which again is shoddy thought processes and posting. You ask for proof of others but only provide opinion only on your part. Again I walk away from a thread as I am sure now of what you are.

We, don't you mean you?

I simply ask you logical rational question's, which you can't answer. You have proven to be very ignorant on Afghanistan here, and you even said that Canadian tank's were responsible for Canadian military casualties. Seriously, you and maybe polynewbie have made the most outrageous claim's on here to date.

[White Doors]

As a feminist, I understand that that it is up to the Afghanis women to define and fight for their own choices in life in their own country, just as it is for Canadian women, or Japanese women, or Brazilian women, or in fact any woman in any country. It seems you do not know much about feminism and self determination without interference from others imposing their values and views.

Holy ego batman! are you seriously equating your 'feminist struggle for equal rights' in Canada on the same par as the Afghani woman's struggle? Do you realize how self agrandizing and pompous that sounds? Not to mention beign SERIOUSLY out of touch with the world? Perhaps you think that women in Afghanistan are better off under taliban rule than under Hamid Karzai?

Please do extrapolate here. Irregardless of feminism in Canada haveing exactly ZERO to do with the Afghan struggle, please inform us of your 'feminist' view point.

[White Doors]

Drought is the a part of the problem, but its effect has been worsened as you should know by the destruction of the dikes. I was quite clear on that.

Why would our military destroy the dikes, we don't do that shit for fun. If you can't back it up, don't make those claim's because you are making false claim's against our soldiers in Afghanistan.

CB, I think she meant to say 'Dykes'. Not sure what lesbians and drought have to do with each other though.

[White Doors]

You have not proved they want us to stay though you have said your own opinion often enough, while I on the other hand have provided articles as well as the first article by BC Chick stands.

So put up your proof other than say: "Karzi wants us to stay", as then we are just propping up a dictator.

I trust that this will suffice:

Link: http://65.109.167.118/pipa/articles/home_p...nt=155&lb=hmpg1

A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of the Afghan public finds an overwhelming majority opposes al-Qaeda and the Taliban, endorses the overthrow of the Taliban and approves of the US military presence in Afghanistan.

Eighty-one percent of Afghans said they think that al-Qaeda is having a negative influence in the world with just 6% saying that it is having a positive influence. An even higher percentage—90%—said they have an unfavorable view of Osama bin Laden, with 75% saying they have a very unfavorable view. Just 5% said they have a favorable view (2% very favorable). These levels were slightly lower in the country’s war zone, the eastern and south-central part of the country: three in five (60%) in those areas had a very unfavorable view of bin Laden.

Now, so to be clear to others that you DO really care what Afghani's want, kindly get behind the CF's in Afghanistan. If not, all can clearly dismiss you as an ideological hack that is able and willing to play politics on the backs of our soldiers lives. You are a parasite if you still do not back the CF's in Afghanistan.

Your call.

[Black Dog]

You are a parasite if you still do not back the CF's in Afghanistan.

Jackassery!

[Charles Anthony]

A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of the Afghan public finds an overwhelming majority opposes al-Qaeda and the Taliban, endorses the overthrow of the Taliban and approves of the US military presence in Afghanistan.

Stop right there! Before you go any further.

Let me get this straight: an overwhelming majority.... hmm......

Who is doing all of the fighting??????

I guess if "an overwhelming majority" support The Mission In Afghanistan!, we could just supply The Overwhelming Majority with arms, could we not???

-- but noooooooo, that is not what we want. God forbid we should let the poor Afghanis defend themselves.

We want The Mission to go our way.

You are a parasite if you still do not back the CF's in Afghanistan.

Your call.

I call your bluff. The methodology of this "poll" says that people were asked face-to-face. I am sure the pollsters sought the opinion of the people fighting too.

Who is this World Public Opinion anyway? Sounds like a stupid name.

[Canadian Blue]

Stop right there! Before you go any further.

Let me get this straight: an overwhelming majority.... hmm......

Who is doing all of the fighting??????

I guess if "an overwhelming majority" support The Mission In Afghanistan!, we could just supply The Overwhelming Majority with arms, could we not???

-- but noooooooo, that is not what we want. God forbid we should let the poor Afghanis defend themselves.

We want The Mission to go our way.

Which is why were helping train the Afghan Army so they can defend themselves and we can leave.

[White Doors]

Honestly Charles

Your babbling get's the best of you at times. I posted the link, you can find out who they are on your own, you are a big boy.

They are helping them to do it 'on their own'. Canada is helping to train Afghani army and police everyday.

Anything else?

[White Doors]

You are a parasite if you still do not back the CF's in Afghanistan.

Jackassery!

She implied she didn't support the mission because the Afghan people don't support it. I supplied a poll that overwhelmingly suggests that they do. If she is true to her beliefs then she should now support it. If not, then she is a lecherous parasite.

[White Doors]

From the same site:

Asked whether their country is headed in the right direction or the wrong direction, 83% of Afghans said it is heading in the right direction. Just 11% said it is heading in the wrong direction.

Most striking, a majority rate the security situation where they are living positively, though there are important regional differences. Seventy percent said their own security situation was either excellent (21%) or good (49%). Just 30% rated it fair (25%) or poor (5%). Also in the war zone, a lesser 53% said their own security was excellent (21%) or good (32%), while 47% said it was fair (35%) or poor (12%).

[Black Dog]

RE: the poll.

Steven Kull, director of PIPA and principal investigator of the study comments, “It is remarkable that the country that was for years subjected to the totalitarian fundamentalism of the Taliban and hosted the al Qaeda as it planned 9-11, is now overwhelmingly rejecting them and welcoming the presence of the US and international agencies. Clearly this is a positive portent for the struggle against extreme fundamentalism.”

And I'll wager that if the Taliban were to come back it's own opinion polls, the resuilts would completely reverse themselves. The Afghan people haven't survived for centuries by being stupid. They know which way the wind is blowing and trim their sails accordingly. IMO.

She implied she didn't support the mission because the Afghan people don't support it. I supplied a poll that overwhelmingly suggests that they do. If she is true to her beliefs then she should now support it. If not, then she is a lecherous parasite

First: I didn't interperet his/her commments in that way. Secondly: what do you know this poster's sexual proclivities?

[Catchme]

A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of the Afghan public finds an overwhelming majority opposes al-Qaeda and the Taliban, endorses the overthrow of the Taliban and approves of the US military presence in Afghanistan.

Stop right there! Before you go any further.

Let me get this straight: an overwhelming majority.... hmm......

Who is doing all of the fighting??????

I guess if "an overwhelming majority" support The Mission In Afghanistan!, we could just supply The Overwhelming Majority with arms, could we not???

-- but noooooooo, that is not what we want. God forbid we should let the poor Afghanis defend themselves.

We want The Mission to go our way.

You are a parasite if you still do not back the CF's in Afghanistan.

Your call.

I call your bluff. The methodology of this "poll" says that people were asked face-to-face. I am sure the pollsters sought the opinion of the people fighting too.

Who is this World Public Opinion anyway? Sounds like a stupid name.

Good post, and your corrct to call the bluff.

The poll was developed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes and fielded by ACSOR/D3 Systems, Inc. from November 27 to December 4, 2005, with a sample of 2,089 Afghan adults.

Many things have changed in the last 13 months in Afghanistan. Pulling out a spurious poll that is over a year old does not constitute proof of anything in today's Afghanistan. Particularily in the face of information coming out of Afghanistan currently including from WorldOpinion .org, which of course the person posting this out of date poll did not provide, as apparently it doesn't suppport the premise they are trying to erroneously push.

that support appears to be slipping due primarily to frustration with the pace of reconstruction, according to a new survey released here this week. That slippage is reflected in part in a sharp rise in the percentage of Afghans who have become more pessimistic over just the past year, according to the poll of more than 2,000 Afghans carried out last month by WorldPublicOpinion.org (WPO), a project of the Programme on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA).

Indeed, the percentage of Afghans who said that the country was going in the "wrong direction" rose three-fold since November 2005 -- from 11 percent to 35 percent. Sixty-two percent said they believed the country was going in the "right direction", down from 83 percent one year ago.

Overview of the latest Afghanis World Opinion Polls not the out of date one published prior

[Charles Anthony]

I posted the link, you can find out who they are on your own, you are a big boy.

Not only did I read your link but I read between the lines.

They are helping them to do it 'on their own'. Canada is helping to train Afghani army and police everyday.

Yeah, right. The Afghanis were able to keep the Soviets out and now they need our training.

Unlike you, I am not a sucker for military propaganda.

Anything else?

Yes. Answer my questions.

1) What Afghanis are fighting?

2) Defend your poll. The methodology of this "poll" says that people were asked face-to-face. Do you think the pollsters sought the opinion of the people fighting too?

[White Doors]

A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of the Afghan public finds an overwhelming majority opposes al-Qaeda and the Taliban, endorses the overthrow of the Taliban and approves of the US military presence in Afghanistan.

Stop right there! Before you go any further.

Let me get this straight: an overwhelming majority.... hmm......

Who is doing all of the fighting??????

I guess if "an overwhelming majority" support The Mission In Afghanistan!, we could just supply The Overwhelming Majority with arms, could we not???

-- but noooooooo, that is not what we want. God forbid we should let the poor Afghanis defend themselves.

We want The Mission to go our way.

You are a parasite if you still do not back the CF's in Afghanistan.

Your call.

I call your bluff. The methodology of this "poll" says that people were asked face-to-face. I am sure the pollsters sought the opinion of the people fighting too.

Who is this World Public Opinion anyway? Sounds like a stupid name.

Good post, and your corrct to call the bluff.

The poll was developed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes and fielded by ACSOR/D3 Systems, Inc. from November 27 to December 4, 2005, with a sample of 2,089 Afghan adults.

Many things have changed in the last 13 months in Afghanistan. Pulling out a spurious poll that is over a year old does not constitute proof of anything in today's Afghanistan. Particularily in the face of information coming out of Afghanistan currently including from WorldOpinion .org, which of course the person posting this out of date poll did not provide, as apparently it doesn't suppport the premise they are trying to erroneously push.

that support appears to be slipping due primarily to frustration with the pace of reconstruction, according to a new survey released here this week. That slippage is reflected in part in a sharp rise in the percentage of Afghans who have become more pessimistic over just the past year, according to the poll of more than 2,000 Afghans carried out last month by WorldPublicOpinion.org (WPO), a project of the Programme on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA).

Indeed, the percentage of Afghans who said that the country was going in the "wrong direction" rose three-fold since November 2005 -- from 11 percent to 35 percent. Sixty-two percent said they believed the country was going in the "right direction", down from 83 percent one year ago.

Overview of the latest Afghanis World Opinion Polls not the out of date one published prior

You always like to prove yourself wrong? 62% want the nato troops there. Yet you don't supoort the mission because you think the majority DO NOT support the mission. My emphasis. Fess up or beat it.