August1991 Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 Rona'll be history in a day or two but Harper will have to give her something else to save her face. Sad in a way but I guess he had no choice. I'll bet he had a conversation with Laureen about this one. Quote
Riverwind Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 Rona'll be history in a day or two but Harper will have to give her something else to save her face. Sad in a way but I guess he had no choice.Finance used to be a career killer in the 80s. I wonder if Environment will be career killer in 00s. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
hiti Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 CP Has updated their story that Ambrose might be moving to Intergovernmental Affairs. This is a portfolio that Harper usually handles himself.http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/061219/...cabinet_shuffle No. Steve has never handled Intergovernmental Affairs. He had appointed Michael Chong who quit over the stupid "nations" motion, which Steve can't even explain to the unwashed, and then Harper appointed Peter Van Loan within minutes. Quote "You cannot bring your Western standards to Afghanistan and expect them to work. This is a different society and a different culture." -Hamid Karzai, President of Afghanistan June 23/07
Charles Anthony Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 On a small scale, what Rona Ambrose does now and who replaces her is irrelevant. Its interesting how the messenger is being attacked. Let's face it. She was just the mouth piece for a botched up environmental policy. Blaming her is I guess what we do in politics, slew the mouth-piece.I find this (and the whole tactic of shuffling cabinet positions) to be exceedingly bizarre and laughable. Why does the public accept this? Why does the government do this? Here are my conclusions: The cabinet ministers do nothing anyway. Therefore, it does not matter. Worst of all, the public truly likes it that way. They do not want the ministers to do anything. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
jdobbin Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 Rona'll be history in a day or two but Harper will have to give her something else to save her face. Sad in a way but I guess he had no choice.I'll bet he had a conversation with Laureen about this one. Since the PMO wrote the Clean Air Act, they can't really blame Rona for its failures. And yet they do. And now they are thinking of appointing Ambrose to Intergovernmental Affairs, a portfolio that the one previous minister says that the Harper works on for himself. Quote
jdobbin Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 No. Steve has never handled Intergovernmental Affairs. He had appointed Michael Chong who quit over the stupid "nations" motion, which Steve can't even explain to the unwashed, and then Harper appointed Peter Van Loan within minutes. Chang said in interviews that Harper personally handled large aspects of Intergovernmental Affairs which is his right. What wasn't right was that the minister had to read about Harper's involvement in the paper and was never briefed or involved in the discussions. Quote
jdobbin Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 The cabinet ministers do nothing anyway. Therefore, it does not matter. Worst of all, the public truly likes it that way. They do not want the ministers to do anything. The Parliamentary system is set up for this quick type of change. It always has been. Even the prime minister can be replaced instantly with no election by his own party if they decide to remove him as leader. The public is showing what their feelings are for how the prime minister is doing in the polls. Quote
August1991 Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 Chang said in interviews that Harper personally handled large aspects of Intergovernmental Affairs which is his right. What wasn't right was that the minister had to read about Harper's involvement in the paper and was never briefed or involved in the discussions.That's false. Chang was aware of what was going on and had discussions with Harper. This idea that Harper is an autocratic, top-down manager is just as wrong as the "scary, scary" Harper.Since the PMO wrote the Clean Air Act, they can't really blame Rona for its failures. And yet they do.And now they are thinking of appointing Ambrose to Intergovernmental Affairs, a portfolio that the one previous minister says that the Harper works on for himself. Once again, you present Harper as a control freak who doesn't play well with others. Harper has managed a government in a minority parliament and done it without all the histrionics of Paul Martin.As to the Clean Air Act, the problem is not the Act - which is no more than a rudimentary but sensible plan. Ambrose flubbed her lines. Quote
Saturn Posted December 20, 2006 Author Report Posted December 20, 2006 Since the PMO wrote the Clean Air Act, they can't really blame Rona for its failures. And yet they do. Of course they do. Do you expect Harper to blame himself? Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 Once again, you present Harper as a control freak who doesn't play well with others. Harper has managed a government in a minority parliament and done it without all the histrionics of Paul Martin. Brilliantly said. Harper can point to that difference on the campaign trail. He has been Prime Ministerial at all times while in office. Much better a control freak than a ditherer... Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
mikedavid00 Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 As to the Clean Air Act, the problem is not the Act - which is no more than a rudimentary but sensible plan. Ambrose flubbed her lines. I completely agree. She had to go to the news and media to discuss the plan better. She just isn't seasoned enough as a politician to this. Rae would have done an amzing job. If you ever heard him on the radio or media you'd see he's a true master. If anyone is reading this, look at Bob Rae vs. Ignatieff vs. Dion in this clip. Near the end, watch Rae at 5:00 min in. Look at the master touch a Canadian emotional cord for all Canadian voters like only Rae is able to do. Look at the master at wrok: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQOLVa3_BEk I'm so glad Bob Rae didnn't win. I think he could have swung close ridings over to him. Liberals already have the city so they need to focus on the swing ridings that I think Rae could have pulled off. Keep in mind his policy would have not been on the enviornment and Quebec. It would have been more nationistic based and a threat against undecided/soft voters. Even top political pundits were saying that Harper didn't want to run against Rae. Everyone was backing Rae, insiders at the convention didn't want him winning. I'm glad that happened. Quote ---- Charles Anthony banned me for 30 days on April 28 for 'obnoxious libel' when I suggested Jack Layton took part in illegal activities in a message parlor. Claiming a politician took part in illegal activity is not rightful cause for banning and is what is discussed here almost daily in one capacity or another. This was really a brownshirt style censorship from a moderator on mapleleafweb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1oGB-BKdZg---
hiti Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 I put my money on Ambrose not being moved. Sorry to disappoint but Bob Rae is very much involved with the next campaign. He will pull those votes from the left while Kennedy pulls the votes from the right. Win, win. Quote "You cannot bring your Western standards to Afghanistan and expect them to work. This is a different society and a different culture." -Hamid Karzai, President of Afghanistan June 23/07
Ricki Bobbi Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 I put my money on Ambrose not being moved. Keep Rona in Environment? Why have a shuffle at all then? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Canadian Blue Posted December 20, 2006 Report Posted December 20, 2006 The newsmedia is reporting that Prentice will be moved to the environment portfolio. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
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