scribblet Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 I can say from what I've read on here armyguy has not lied, nor has he been proven to have lied. I appreciate his posts and will belief what he says over someone from rabble with an axe to grind. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
weaponeer Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 I have been in the CF 18 years, have NO idea where catchme is getting her wacked ideas & facts. Just simple BS. She's a prejudiced bigot against the military, she has no idea about what shes talking about. As for the military drug pushers, if they are found guilty they will be subjuected to a rigorous detox program, service detention barracks, Edmonton..... Quote
BubberMiley Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 Having a few pounds of weed isn't personal consumption. You and I walk in different circles. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Melanie_ Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 As for the military drug pushers, if they are found guilty they will be subjuected to a rigorous detox program, service detention barracks, Edmonton..... *Gasp* Not ...... EDMONTON! Have we no pity? Quote For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela
guyser Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 *Gasp* Not ...... EDMONTON! Have we no pity? Frankly, I think they will elect to be shot instead. Probably bring their own guns. j/k Quote
weaponeer Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 "Club Ed" is no fun place. Not many repeat offenders. The CF drug program is rather simple, if you are caught using or sellin g drugs, & you are enlisted, you go to "Club Ed" if found guilty, then rehab, then you can return to your unit. Ther was a young guy here a last year caught "selling". He went to Ed, rehab, now he's back. rehab was short, he only sold, did not use. If your an officer, you go to Edmonton, and after your sentence you are realised, no second chance. You are an officer, a leader, you are supposed to set the example, bye!! Quote
Catchme Posted February 1, 2007 Report Posted February 1, 2007 *Gasp* Not ...... EDMONTON! Have we no pity? Frankly, I think they will elect to be shot instead. Probably bring their own guns. j/k Good thing, you put joking, it seems like they have no sense of humour. And they fail to see analogies most likely won't seee this one about having no sense of humour, just like they did not see the one here with the father shooting his daughters boy friend drug dealing and their approval of it. Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
helping_hand Posted February 2, 2007 Report Posted February 2, 2007 I see... Rehab, after they are found guilty... Hmmmm.. So when they go to trial ( maybe a year from now ), they may actually have survived there drug addiction THAT MUCH longer... Horseshite!! Are you kidding me? I know one of the accused, and he is getting treatment, ( on his own ). The military has made no real effort to treat him, don't even start me on MIR. Drug addiction is vile, it takes over, you lose control. I wouldn't want a strung out junkie covering my ass either. However, I wouldn't condem that person(s) forever either. Stop preaching about what good the army is doing for these guys when you have absolutley no clue. They have done little to nothing for them thus far... Other than charge them and a few weekends in Detention barracks. Quote
Catchme Posted February 2, 2007 Report Posted February 2, 2007 Stop preaching about what good the army is doing for these guys when you have absolutley no clue. They have done little to nothing for them thus far... Glad you pointed this out! Quote When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die. ~Jean-Paul Sartre
Army Guy Posted February 2, 2007 Report Posted February 2, 2007 helping_hand: You are obviously a very angry induvidual... I'm not sure whom you were adressing with this comment, but how do come to this conclusion. I see... Rehab, after they are found guilty... Hmmmm.. So when they go to trial ( maybe a year from now ), they may actually have survived there drug addiction THAT MUCH longer... Horseshite!! Are you kidding me? I know one of the accused, and he is getting treatment, ( on his own ). The military has made no real effort to treat him, don't even start me on MIR. You make him out to be the victim here, correct me if i'm wrong but using drugs is a personal choice is it not, being in the military he understood what the DND's policies were did he not. so he knew what the risks were before he decided he'd become a drugie/ dealer...He roled the dice and lost. Treatment is available to everyone that has a drug or booze addiction, in most cases it is manitory for all those caught with a problem, it is also available to all that ask for it..I may also remind you it is also available will in dentention...And if he did not recieve the treatment then his leadership has failed him, but being in the military he also knows there is recourse actions available to him when his leadership has failed... Drug addiction is vile, it takes over, you lose control. I wouldn't want a strung out junkie covering my ass either. However, I wouldn't condem that person(s) forever either. By condenming you mean releasing him from the CF with services no longer required. can you garentee that his addiction would not be a problem in the future, say like in Afgan where pot grows to over 20 ft and covers millions of acres, or harish sold by the pound, or perhaps herion available readily by the baggie full. DND has not condemned him just told kim his services are no longer required, thanks but no thanks. Stop preaching about what good the army is doing for these guys when you have absolutley no clue. They have done little to nothing for them thus far... Other than charge them and a few weekends in Detention barracks. Stop blaming DND for this guys problems, he made the choice and is now paying for his actions, end of story...If he's not getting the help he needs then he needs to inform his chain of command, until he does... As for me not knowing anything about it , your wrong serveral guys did not make this rotation in Afgan because of drug problems and they are being charged, treated and released...Drugs and DND do not mix, at all. Don't like the process i would suggest not doing drugs. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
weaponeer Posted February 2, 2007 Report Posted February 2, 2007 I am sorry, but drug addicts do not push my pitty buttons...... Kick his ass out, why should DND pay for his rehab, I say later..... Quote
helping_hand Posted February 3, 2007 Report Posted February 3, 2007 Clearly you read things into my short statements that are not true.... Have I blamed DND? No... Have I said anything other than he is a victim of drug addiction? No... Using drugs is, yes, a personal choice. However, becoming an addict is not. I have never said he made the right choice. I have never defended his drug use. I do however KNOW first hand what the goings on have been in his situation. I know that he spent 27 days in Edmonton in lockup, and as far as his treatment or rehab went.... Would you consider polishing brass treatment? When he walked out the doors after 27 days, he had not used any drugs the entire time. The military had dried him out, but they had offered no treatment at all. So quick to jump to conclusions you are... Yet, when he was AWOL, when all this went down, I was the person who called the MP's and told them where he was. I can live with him hating me for the rest of my life for that if it means he will live. Letting him run himself into the ground possibly 6ft under, I could not live with that. I have called him on his bullshit junkie explanations more than once. I know what he did and didn't see while serving oversea's. I need not have to explain what is and isn't accurate in the media, we all know that the media isn't always accurate. On kicking him out of the forces... Hell yeah. He ruined his career, he knows it, I know it, and you all know it. His fault for doing wrong. Never, have I said he shouldn't be kicked out. As for DND paying for his rehab... Let me know when that happens... What country do you live in? I live in Canada, we have health care here for free! Who pays it? The government.... Who pays DND? I am not here for a pissing contest, I belive in our military, I come from a military family with many many years of service. I was here to objectively discuss these matters. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 5, 2007 Report Posted February 5, 2007 Clearly you read things into my short statements that are not true.... Have I blamed DND? No... Have I said anything other than he is a victim of drug addiction? No... The military has made no real effort to treat him, don't even start me on MIR. Stop preaching about what good the army is doing for these guys when you have absolutley no clue. They have done little to nothing for them thus far... Other than charge them and a few weekends in Detention barracks. I'm not reading anything into your statements, your blaming DND for not treating this guy, for his poor judgement in choices, choices that he has made by himself. I have also stated that DND does have a treatment program, in fact it , for your area it used to be in Halifax... and if he has not gotten the help or treatment that is required then it is his, and his chain of commands fault. he has either failed to request it thru the proper chain of command or his chain has denied him access. If that is the case he is aware that DND has policies in place to allow him to side step his chain and push his request higher... Using drugs is, yes, a personal choice. However, becoming an addict is not. I have never said he made the right choice. I have never defended his drug use. I do however KNOW first hand what the goings on have been in his situation. I know that he spent 27 days in Edmonton in lockup, and as far as his treatment or rehab went.... Would you consider polishing brass treatment? When he walked out the doors after 27 days, he had not used any drugs the entire time. The military had dried him out, but they had offered no treatment at all. Becoming an addict is a personal choice, he knew before he started using that there was a good chance of becoming one, and yet he deided to take that chance. he needs to own that problem and take 100 % responsibilty for it. Being sent to edmonton with no treatment prior perhaps was not the best solution in this case, But i do know that edmonton also has a treatment center that is available for inmates. Again i do not know why it was not made avail to him. As for the Edmonton not offering him anything for most cases, edmonton is a wake up call and not many reoffend. it should have served as another warning encouraging him to stop or once again face the consquences. So yes it did offer something. So quick to jump to conclusions you are... Yet, when he was AWOL, when all this went down, I was the person who called the MP's and told them where he was. I can live with him hating me for the rest of my life for that if it means he will live. Letting him run himself into the ground possibly 6ft under, I could not live with that. I have called him on his bullshit junkie explanations more than once. I know what he did and didn't see while serving oversea's. I need not have to explain what is and isn't accurate in the media, we all know that the media isn't always accurate. If you mean have i balled all drug users into the same ball, and condemned them all yes i have, and for good reasons, i have put to many soldiers into plastic bags,for uncontrolable circumstances, using drugs is a controlable circumstance... would i want to put more into bags because someone wanted by personal choice to use drugs NO....I commend you in all you have done for this indiv, you may have saved his life. But DND has rules in place for good reason, and they should be inforced to the max...As for him not getting the treatment he needs he needs to take that up with his chain of command, which have failed him on this matter. On kicking him out of the forces... Hell yeah. He ruined his career, he knows it, I know it, and you all know it. His fault for doing wrong. Never, have I said he shouldn't be kicked out. As for DND paying for his rehab... Let me know when that happens... What country do you live in? I live in Canada, we have health care here for free! Who pays it? The government.... Who pays DND? Again i think we've covered this, he needs to take this up with his chain of command, or by going higher up the chain, and if he is still not getting the help he needs as a last resort there is the obudsman available to every soldier, his number is available on the DND web site, or DWAN... I am not here for a pissing contest, I belive in our military, I come from a military family with many many years of service. I was here to objectively discuss these matters. I apolgise for my tone or remarks that may of suggested that i was in a pissing contest, I just wanted to inform you that there is help available, and that Drug use in the military is a serious event, and users are more than not blackballed from the military... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
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