Liberals Hidden Agenda

[normanchateau]

tHE NEDERANDS rOCk......

NederLands!

[scribblet]

Become like Holland.

tHE NEDERANDS rOCk......

Well, maybe a few years ago, but .... Their gov't is getting tough and taking a stance, they are now going to ban the Burkha.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4616664.stm

The Dutch government will announce over the next few weeks whether it will make it a crime to wear traditional Islamic dress which covers the face apart from the eyes.

The Dutch parliament has already voted in favour of a proposal to ban the burqa outside the home, and some in the government have thrown their weight behind it.

[mikedavid00]

The Dutch parliament has already voted in favour of a proposal to ban the burqa outside the home, and some in the government have thrown their weight behind it.

Things in Europe are out of control. Their loophole was their assylum policies and family sponsorship.

They are being taken advantage of and don't know how to deal with it.

Their welfare and social services are being eaten alive and politicians don't know what to do.

Canada is different.

Our politiicians *are* Islam and Islam supporters.

We the people of Canada *support* Islam and are in favor of closing down Christian schools.

Canada *has* terrorist cells which the FBI, CIA, and RCMP recognize and we support them.

Canada is *against* the war on terror and *support* groups like Hezbolla and are visiously, anti-Isreal.

This is the difference between Dutch citizens and Canadian citizens.

Well guess what I say:

I STAND BY ISREAL AND IT'S RIGHT TO PROTECT ITSELF

[HoratioCaine]

Become like Holland.

There is truth to that.

The youth Liberal party team or whatever they are decided last year that the most important issue to them was to allow red light districts and control prostitution, gambling, and dope. Wow guys.. you got the right mindset.

The libs also want to legalize pot too and tax it. It was never a priotiry though but they were getting there. I don't think Dion will like the pot idea very much... well.. then again.. he is a teacher.

I would say Canada aspires to be like Holland but with even higher taxes and mass, mass, mass immigration to the pont where we are all living in state run apartments a la communist style.

Gotta keep hatin those immagants.

Anyway, I always thought it was the Conservatives who complained that Liberals were curtailing their freedoms. The only difference is they were curtailing their freedom not to pay taxes. So when the freedom to spend your money as you see fit is curtailed, even when having such a freedom would hurt infrastructure, social programs, education, health care, etc. It's a bad thing. But curtailing freedom to make your own choices on things such as marijuana, prostitution, abortions etc. is A OK.

[mikedavid00]

Anyway, I always thought it was the Conservatives who complained that Liberals were curtailing their freedoms. The only difference is they were curtailing their freedom not to pay taxes. So when the freedom to spend your money as you see fit is curtailed, even when having such a freedom would hurt infrastructure, social programs, education, health care, etc. It's a bad thing. But curtailing freedom to make your own choices on things such as marijuana, prostitution, abortions etc. is A OK.

That's why I say there's no real such thing as freedom.

[HoratioCaine]

Anyway, I always thought it was the Conservatives who complained that Liberals were curtailing their freedoms. The only difference is they were curtailing their freedom not to pay taxes. So when the freedom to spend your money as you see fit is curtailed, even when having such a freedom would hurt infrastructure, social programs, education, health care, etc. It's a bad thing. But curtailing freedom to make your own choices on things such as marijuana, prostitution, abortions etc. is A OK.

That's why I say there's no real such thing as freedom.

Word up.

[normanchateau]

Become like Holland.

tHE NEDERANDS rOCk......

Well, maybe a few years ago, but .... Their gov't is getting tough and taking a stance, they are now going to ban the Burkha.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4616664.stm

Getting tough? As your link points out, there are only about 50 women in the entire country who wear it now. Seems like banning it is a novel way to provoke the Dutch Muslims but I'm sure the traditional Dutch ways are more effective, e.g., sharing the wealth, legalizing same-sex marriage, condoning marijuana use, minding one's own business. The Dutch Muslims are so conservative that they make Stephen Harper look liberal.

[geoffrey]

Anyone covering their face is in fact a security threat. I wouldn't trust anyone with their identity hidden in a bank or an environment like that.

It's only a matter of time before that loophole is exploited.

They should avoid making it religiously targetted and instead make it a blanket security law though.

"No one can cover their face in public until it's at least -15 outside, including windchills. All coverings must be removed once inside."

End of story.

[scribblet]

Anyone covering their face is in fact a security threat. I wouldn't trust anyone with their identity hidden in a bank or an environment like that.

It's only a matter of time before that loophole is exploited.

They should avoid making it religiously targetted and instead make it a blanket security law though.

"No one can cover their face in public until it's at least -15 outside, including windchills. All coverings must be removed once inside."

End of story.

It is mostly a gesture of defiance, the beginning of standing up to for what they believe in; along with their new Assimilation policies for new immigrants (I believe 6 countries are adopting them) on integration into their host country and what is expected of them.

[Ricki Bobbi]

But curtailing freedom to make your own choices on things such as marijuana, prostitution, abortions etc. is A OK.

Hmmm, seems like the last government to deal with abortion was a Conservative goverment. This

Government has pledged not to act on the issue. They haven't.

The Liberals have never proposed to legalize marijuana or prostitution.

Do tell how the Liberals and Conservatives taking the same actions on these issues looks badly on the Conservatives...

Methinks you are wearing rose-coloured glasses...

[normanchateau]

Dutch polling data released May 5, 2007 suggest the Dutch are once again stealing Canadian opinions. Then again, there may be other, more sinister explanations for these remarkable similarities in opinion.

Do you support the Dutch mission in Afghanistan?

Yes

56%

No

37%

Not sure

7%

The cabinet must soon decide if the Dutch military mission must be extended or not. Do you agree or disagree with extending the military mission in Uruzgan?

Agree

35%

Disagree

51%

Not sure

14%

Source: http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/...em/itemID/15623

[sharkman]

As I mentioned in another thread, Europe has awoken to a huge immigration problem with muslims. In Canada, we seem to have far fewer muslims and more from the pacific rim countries, which for the most part, have friendlier views of the west.

[normanchateau]

As I mentioned in another thread, Europe has awoken to a huge immigration problem with muslims. In Canada, we seem to have far fewer muslims and more from the pacific rim countries, which for the most part, have friendlier views of the west.

That being the case, it's interesting that Canadian views toward involvement in Afghanistan resemble Dutch

views. It must be those pesky Quebecers resemble the Dutch Muslims in attitude.

[scribblet]

As I mentioned in another thread, Europe has awoken to a huge immigration problem with muslims. In Canada, we seem to have far fewer muslims and more from the pacific rim countries, which for the most part, have friendlier views of the west.

I was going to change this but I think I'll leave it, its about Muslims and religion from a British point of view.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=418_1176494781

[jbg]

As I mentioned in another thread, Europe has awoken to a huge immigration problem with muslims. In Canada, we seem to have far fewer muslims and more from the pacific rim countries, which for the most part, have friendlier views of the west.

I was going to change this but I think I'll leave it, its about Muslims and religion from a British point of view.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=418_1176494781

Excellent link. Could you transcribe it, post text?

[scribblet]

As I mentioned in another thread, Europe has awoken to a huge immigration problem with muslims. In Canada, we seem to have far fewer muslims and more from the pacific rim countries, which for the most part, have friendlier views of the west.

I was going to change this but I think I'll leave it, its about Muslims and religion from a British point of view.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=418_1176494781

Excellent link. Could you transcribe it, post text?

I wish, I had to listen and my shorthand skills have lapsed -

[jbg]

jbg, who are you and where did you come from? You seem to bring up the USA in your posts under Canadian Politics-not where they belong.

As far as I can tell reading your posts you haven't once posed a non-Conservative opinion; you denigrate Trudeau in particular (not that he shouldn't come under criticism) and most things liberal in general yet you call yourself a liberal? Canada is but a blip on the US radar so I cannot understand your interest unless it is just to put down this country in any way you can. And attending a CPC convention? Why? I mean, really, a CPC convention? A Canadian political convention that IS NOT liberal, in fact is far right wing? What's it to you? Strange, strange, strange.

You can't find harbOUr in your own country or what?

Here's one example:

Over the years I have:

1. Volunteered for Students for McGovern;
   
2. Campagined for McGovern and Carter;
   
3. Volunteered extensively in the Westchester County 1982 Democratic Campaign;
   
4. Most importantly, worked for poor people, without charge, at a legal services clinic;
   
5. Contributed extensively to Defenders of Wildlife, until they decided that immediate wildlife preservation was less important than tangential causes such as global warming; and
   
6. Perosnally, both with money and volunteer activity, supported other wildlife causes, such as wolf restoration.
   

On liberal issues, I have walked the walk. I work in a multiracial office where minorities have senior positions of authority. The fact is I have done things for causes closely identified with liberalism.

That is what I mean by saying that I am a "liberal" or "progressive" in the best sense. Liberalism does not mean throwing Western values overboard. Back to the OP, this is fully consistent with patriotism towards America.

And yes, I denigrate Trudeau. He almost wrecked a country that is somewhere between very good and great.

[old_bold&cold]

The Liberal party is just too left of center as view by my own standards . Also along with that they have engrained into the party backrooms more corruption and deciet then I care to overlook. It really does not matter who leads the party, as thwe two most obvious camps (the Chretien style, and Martin style ), are both equally corrupt. You can put a bambi figure as leader (Dion ) and dres him up any way you like, but we all know that it will not be him that calls the shots. Hell, he can not even decide what his own thoughts are. My guess is that the back room boys were drunk and at the last minute of the leadership convention decided they could make Dion their puppet, but after soberiing up they saw the errors in such a thing. So they will let him flounder around and lose an election and hopefully then, maybe some of the party's old front runners will try to take a stab at the leadership. Manly come to mind, and do not think I would like this guy because I do think him corrupt and I know from experience that he is a party pasty, and would follow the orders of his handlers quite willingly.

It should come as no shock to any liberal supporters that they would be willing to sit out an election or even two, before any real leadership candidates will come forward. That is not a big issue considering after the sponsorship scandel, many would have expected decades before liberal would again see power. So for them to let Dion flounder around and look totally out of his element is not a big deal. He is dispencible and of no real consequence. If the party really got behind Dion it would keep the old guard issue in the public eye and that is not what they want. Instead Dion will be made to look like he represents a split in the party, and that is what is wanted so the backroom boys can say that is where the old liberals ended and new started, but we all will know the truth.

[jbg]

jbg, who are you and where did you come from? You seem to bring up the USA in your posts under Canadian Politics-not where they belong.

As far as I can tell reading your posts you haven't once posed a non-Conservative opinion; you denigrate Trudeau in particular (not that he shouldn't come under criticism) and most things liberal in general yet you call yourself a liberal? Canada is but a blip on the US radar so I cannot understand your interest unless it is just to put down this country in any way you can. And attending a CPC convention? Why? I mean, really, a CPC convention? A Canadian political convention that IS NOT liberal, in fact is far right wing? What's it to you? Strange, strange, strange.

You can't find harbOUr in your own country or what?

Noted on another thread.

[OddSox]

Speaking of Holland, their concept of freedom is a bit scary...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.244057bd1b30448115575c2187e68681.141&show_article=1

"Each vehicle will be equipped with a GPS device that tracks how many kilometres are driven and when and where. This data will be then be sent to a collection agency that will send out the bill," the transport ministry said in a statement.

I really have to wonder where this data will be stored and what other uses it may be put to - all in the name of carbon?