Al-Zahar: We'll never recognize Israel

[Black Dog]

How 'bout because we've heard this tune before. North Korea, Iraq, and now Iran, all claiming they wanted nuclear technology, but only for the peaceful benefits. Trick me once, shame on you...

I don't think North Korea has ever shied away from copping to its nuclear ambitions.

His statements about a race of people would be laughable if he didn't keep repeating them with wide eyed sincerity again and again, all in the context of Iran supporting Hezbolah's(sp?) latest attack on Israel. Doesn't that smell like a rat to you?

Well, since my memory is longer than the day before yesterday, I know that statements about destroying Israel have been a staple of any Middle East demagoue's vernacular since there has been an Israel. I remember the same bluster from the Ayatollah Khomeni, from Saddam Hussein, from Nasser and so on. If we're supposed to piss ourselves everytime some loon starts yammering about destroying the Zionist entity, then we'd better stock up on the Depends right now. IOW: words are meaningless.

[sharkman]

Words are not meaningless in Canada, which is why we have hate speech laws. If I recall you have objected to words critical of Islam. I'm sure you would react with moral outrage if someone here said Muslims should be rounded up in Canada and shot(and rightly so). Yet you can find no moral outrage over the leader of a nation who says the same about Jews. In this case you say words are meaningness.

[Black Dog]

Words are not meaningless in Canada, which is why we have hate speech laws. If I recall you have objected to words critical of Islam. I'm sure you would react with moral outrage if someone here said Muslims should be rounded up in Canada and shot(and rightly so). Yet you can find no moral outrage over the leader of a nation who says the same about Jews. In this case you say words are meaningness

Red herring aside (I'm not sure how Canadian hate speech laws apply here), you're confused. Just because I don't take the rantings of some Iranian country bumpkin as an accurate barometre of Iranian foreign policy doesn't mean I don't find them repugnant. The difference between you and me is that I can separate the moral outrage from the practical considerations that make Iran's threats empty. Quite simply, Iran is not in a postion to carry out its threats.

[jbg]

I think it is crucial Israel smarten up now and use some smart psychological tactics and understand why Hamas exists and how it fuels and incites Palestinians, and avoids feeding their frenzy.

Marginalization and isolation (for example, severing foreign aid to the PA) are also counterproductive as that creates the kind of environment where extremism floursihes. If the west and Israel are truly interested in peace and an end to hatred, they'd be trying to find ways to help Palestinians create a stable civil society, which is a prerequisite for peace. Without stability and opportunity there's no future. no future, no peace.

I've heard enough about Arab so-called "anger". The Jews had plenty of reason for "anger" when 6,000,000, or about 1/3 of our numbers, were erased in Europe for no good reason. Yet we did not strap bombs on our children.

The Arab world has mounted war after war, attack after attack. When they lose, they run to the West to get them to stop Israel. It is high time that these people learn that there are serious consequences for aggression, maybe irreversible ones. They put their lands, the ummah, on the ten-yard line by continuing their aggressive posture.

They've created the risk; let them face the consequences.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Consequences, perfect description JBG!

[Black Dog]

The Arab world has mounted war after war, attack after attack. When they lose, they run to the West to get them to stop Israel. It is high time that these people learn that there are serious consequences for aggression, maybe irreversible ones. They put their lands, the ummah, on the ten-yard line by continuing their aggressive posture.

Very productive thinking! Tell us more about your vision, I'm honestly interested in what you have in mind for the Middle East. Conquest? Ethnic cleansing or genocide? IOW: is there any, like, substance behind your rhetoric? Or are you just wanking?

[jbg]

The Arab world has mounted war after war, attack after attack. When they lose, they run to the West to get them to stop Israel. It is high time that these people learn that there are serious consequences for aggression, maybe irreversible ones. They put their lands, the ummah, on the ten-yard line by continuing their aggressive posture.

Very productive thinking! Tell us more about your vision, I'm honestly interested in what you have in mind for the Middle East. Conquest? Ethnic cleansing or genocide? IOW: is there any, like, substance behind your rhetoric? Or are you just wanking?

What do you have in mind? Israel is maybe a tad bigger than PEI. That's it. How do you slice and dice it smaller, and put people closer to a hostile border and harm's way?

[Black Dog]

What do you have in mind? Israel is maybe a tad bigger than PEI. That's it. How do you slice and dice it smaller, and put people closer to a hostile border and harm's way?

Officially, Israel is not much bigger now than it was in 1967, so a return to those borders won't put to much of a squeeze. Oh and it's interesting that you whinge about putting Israelis closer to harm's way when the Israeli government has been doing just that through its settlement program for the last 30 years. By pulling out of the settlements, they'd pulling people out of harm's way.

(BTW, your grasp of geography is as tenuous as your grasp of history: PEI is just under 6000 square kilometres, Israel more than three times that. )

[JerrySeinfeld]

Okay new thread. So here we have it again, maybe not only should the Arab States fund 'Palestine' but should take them all in, maybe they should annex the Pal. area .

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3327068,00.html

Al-Zahar: We'll never recognize Israel

Speaking to al-Sharq al-Awsat Palestinian foreign minister says Hamas will never agree to UN resolutions calling for two-state solution Roee Nahmias

Palestinian Foreign Minister and Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar told al-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper on Sunday that his group will never "repeat Fatah's mistake of recognizing Israel ."

In a militant interview, which was conducted soon after the IDF's shelling of Beit Hanoun, al-Zahar explained why his group has no intension of recognizing Israel, accept a two-state solution and to accept the partition resolution adopted by the United Nations.

When asked what will happen if international pressure on Hamas increases, he said: "Hamas will never change its position regardless of the pressure's intensity."

This is the great thing about these forums: now we get to see all the lefties rationalize and squirm their way back into some warped argument for "diplomacy".

[Black Dog]

This is the great thing about these forums: now we get to see all the lefties rationalize and squirm their way back into some warped argument for "diplomacy".

Iraq Study Group draft backs diplomacy with Iran and Syria

Iraq seeks security help from Iran

Rice outlines U.S. support for Palestinian state

Haven't figured it out yet, have you Jerry? This isn't a "left/right" thing. If there's a divide, it's between serious, rational people and amateur yuksters like you.

[jbg]

(BTW, your grasp of geography is as tenuous as your grasp of history: PEI is just under 6000 square kilometres, Israel more than three times that. )

I read that comparison somewhere. Perhaps the comparison relates to their inhabited regions, and does not include the Negev.