BubberMiley Posted October 29, 2006 Report Posted October 29, 2006 On Letterman the other night, Bill O'Reilly said: "What we were supposed to do was that the United States Government believed that Saddam had WMDs, ok and they were wrong. People make mistakes in war. Now, Tony Blair was wrong, Colin Powell was wrong, all these people were wrong. So, that's accepted." "The reason to go into Iraq was WMDS with a mad dictator, okay? That was the reason. It was wrong. If we could go back in a time machine, we wouldn't do it. Alright?" "Absolutely it's about oil." I'm glad I don't have a kid over there, risking his life to make sure Cheney saves face and fat-asses can afford to commute 120km a day in their SUVs. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jdobbin Posted October 29, 2006 Report Posted October 29, 2006 On Letterman the other night, Bill O'Reilly said:"What we were supposed to do was that the United States Government believed that Saddam had WMDs, ok and they were wrong. People make mistakes in war. Now, Tony Blair was wrong, Colin Powell was wrong, all these people were wrong. So, that's accepted." "The reason to go into Iraq was WMDS with a mad dictator, okay? That was the reason. It was wrong. If we could go back in a time machine, we wouldn't do it. Alright?" "Absolutely it's about oil." I'm glad I don't have a kid over there, risking his life to make sure Cheney saves face and fat-asses can afford to commute 120km a day in their SUVs. O'Reilly is saying that Lettermen didn't answer him when he asked if he wanted the U.S. to win in Iraq. Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 29, 2006 Author Report Posted October 29, 2006 It's on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWO5ub-c6R8 Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
BubberMiley Posted October 29, 2006 Author Report Posted October 29, 2006 O'Reilly is saying that Lettermen didn't answer him when he asked if he wanted the U.S. to win in Iraq. How is he saying that with those quotes? You have a very liberal interpretation of meaning. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
geoffrey Posted October 29, 2006 Report Posted October 29, 2006 It's on Youtube.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWO5ub-c6R8 I think YouTube is a threat to democracy. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
jdobbin Posted October 29, 2006 Report Posted October 29, 2006 How is he saying that with those quotes? You have a very liberal interpretation of meaning. I just read that on O'Reilly's FOX page. I went to looking to see how he would spin his visit to Lettermen. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,224820,00.html "Finally, I asked David Letterman last night if he wanted the USA to win in Iraq. He wouldn't answer. That's the same thing that happened when I put the same question to Rosie O'Donnell. Talking Points simply cannot figure that out. A stable Iraq helps everyone in the world and badly damages the terrorists and Iraq. That's why the killers are blowing stuff up. They don't want a stable Iraq." Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 29, 2006 Author Report Posted October 29, 2006 He did answer. If I may paraphrase, he said he wanted Americans to stop dying, and he said that he couldn't foresee the Americans ever being able to pull out of the region and leaving a stable country behind, so staying there is probably just doing more harm than good. Does anyone really believe that, at any point in our lifetimes, the U.S. will reach a point where it can pull its troups out and leave a stable country behind? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jdobbin Posted October 29, 2006 Report Posted October 29, 2006 He did answer. If I may paraphrase, he said he wanted Americans to stop dying, and he said that he couldn't foresee the Americans ever being able to pull out of the region and leaving a stable country behind, so staying there is probably just doing more harm than good. Does anyone really believe that, at any point in our lifetimes, the U.S. will reach a point where it can pull its troups out and leave a stable country behind? Didn't expect that O'Reilly would supply Lettermen's actual answer. Quote
Figleaf Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 Yah just can't trust ANYTHING that comes from the Faux News Cabal. Quote
August1991 Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 Does anyone really believe that, at any point in our lifetimes, the U.S. will reach a point where it can pull its troups out and leave a stable country behind?Germany. Quote
Riverwind Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 Does anyone really believe that, at any point in our lifetimes, the U.S. will reach a point where it can pull its troups out and leave a stable country behind?Germany.Not really a good example since Germans had already figured out that this democracy thing was a worthwhile project before Hilter came on the scene. All the Allies had to do was help the Germans adjust their existing democratic institutions so they could not be highjacked. Iraq has no such democratic tradition to build on. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
August1991 Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 I didn't say West Germany because nobody says that anymore (wonder why?). Riverwind, I was thinking of the re-unification of Germany. But let's not get sidetracked. I watched that discussion between Letterman and O'Reilly (to be honest, I barely know either) and I was irritated by the constant interruptions and one-liners. I have more sympathy for O'Reilly's basic premise although I think he made the argument badly. Quote
Riverwind Posted October 30, 2006 Report Posted October 30, 2006 I have more sympathy for O'Reilly's basic premise although I think he made the argument badly.His logic is flawed because he presumes that the US should prepared to make any sacrifice necessary to 'ensure America succeeds'. Letterman could have turned the table on OReilly by asking what it would take to convince O'Reilly that Iraq is a lost cause. Would 100,000 troop fatalities be enough? Would O'Reilly still insist that even more blood is necessary because they must 'ensure America succeeds'. Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
BubberMiley Posted October 31, 2006 Author Report Posted October 31, 2006 Germany was also a nation with a reasonably homogenous saxon ethnic base. Iraq is just a British creation that is a hodge-podge of Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds. These groups have longstanding animosity among each other, which makes it ripe for civil war. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
August1991 Posted October 31, 2006 Report Posted October 31, 2006 Germany was also a nation with a reasonably homogenous saxon ethnic base. Iraq is just a British creation that is a hodge-podge of Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds. These groups have longstanding animosity among each other, which makes it ripe for civil war.You are missing my point.NATO stood up to the Soviets and eventually won the Cold War. America has largely withdrawn from Germany because there is no longer a threat. America's task now is not to create democracy in Iraq (although that's an enviable goal). America intends to ensure that terrorists such as al-Qaeda are not a threat to America. By dislodging Saddam, America has reduced this threat. The Left sometimes characterizes Bush Jnr as a war-mad psycho. It is better if tyrants around the world believe that too. Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 31, 2006 Author Report Posted October 31, 2006 America intends to ensure that terrorists such as al-Qaeda are not a threat to America. By dislodging Saddam, America has reduced this threat. You actually believe this? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Riverwind Posted October 31, 2006 Report Posted October 31, 2006 --- Quote To fly a plane, you need both a left wing and a right wing.
jdobbin Posted October 31, 2006 Report Posted October 31, 2006 Germany. They haven't fully pulled out of Germany. It still has substantial numbers of U.S. forces. Quote
jdobbin Posted October 31, 2006 Report Posted October 31, 2006 Germany was also a nation with a reasonably homogenous saxon ethnic base. Iraq is just a British creation that is a hodge-podge of Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds. These groups have longstanding animosity among each other, which makes it ripe for civil war.You are missing my point.NATO stood up to the Soviets and eventually won the Cold War. America has largely withdrawn from Germany because there is no longer a threat. America's task now is not to create democracy in Iraq (although that's an enviable goal). America intends to ensure that terrorists such as al-Qaeda are not a threat to America. By dislodging Saddam, America has reduced this threat. The Left sometimes characterizes Bush Jnr as a war-mad psycho. It is better if tyrants around the world believe that too. The right wing thinks that the world is a safer place because of Iraq. It's not. Quote
lost&outofcontrol Posted October 31, 2006 Report Posted October 31, 2006 Abramoff knew about war on Iraq a year before it happened: link How can this be? Quote
Topaz Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 If O'Reilly REALLY believes that Bush made a mistake, then he's dumb and deaf! I've read the timeline on the war, I read books from other Republicans that work for the Bush government and they all say the same thing. IT wasn't a mistake or wrong info. Bush was told over and over again the info wasn't true but they used this by saying we thought it was, prove it wasn't! They lied and lied because they planned back in "99 in Maine that Bush would run for president and go into Iraq and take out Hussein! In the debates with Kerry Bush said he wouldn't use the military for "country building" he lied then and hasn't stopped!! I, also, think Cheney is playing a bigger part then the "silence VP" most of the time!! There is so much corruption behind DC and the White House , people could even fathom it and that's how they get away with it! America needs a 3rd party to take over and find out the truth about 9/11 and the Afghanistan and Iraq war!! Quote
Higgly Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 "Finally, I asked David Letterman last night if he wanted the USA to win in Iraq. He wouldn't answer. That's the same thing that happened when I put the same question to Rosie O'Donnell. Talking Points simply cannot figure that out. A stable Iraq helps everyone in the world and badly damages the terrorists and Iraq. That's why the killers are blowing stuff up. They don't want a stable Iraq." O'Reilly is a simple fool. A hundred or so years ago there was no country called Iraq. It is something the Brits cobbled together to suit themselves. It took a despot to hold it together. No brutal despot, and all the factions that had their own little fiefdoms for centuries start to fly apart again. What does win mean to O'Reilly? The perpetuation of an artifical state? The man's a bad joke. Figleaf: Faux News. I love it. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
August1991 Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 A hundred or so years ago there was no country called Iraq. It is something the Brits cobbled together to suit themselves.That kind of sounds like Canada too. Quote
theloniusfleabag Posted November 2, 2006 Report Posted November 2, 2006 QUOTE(Higgly @ Nov 1 2006, 09:28 PM) A hundred or so years ago there was no country called Iraq. What's in a name, I suppose...http://www.angelfire.com/nt/Gilgamesh/history.html It has been speculated that Abraham, (or Ibrahim, to the Arabs and in the Koran) was a 'Prince of Ur' before migrating east to present day Israel... Quote Would the Special Olympics Committee disqualify kids born with flippers from the swimming events?
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