He said, She said, They said

[Ricki Bobbi]

Unless of course, you are FOR a theocracy...

and we centrists and leftists will trot this out as many times as possible to remind people of Harper's real supporters.

So any woman who supports the Conservatives is brainwashed and *anybody* who supports them is FOR a theocracy.

Wow that sure is some centrist thinking. If the political centre in Canada is somewhere between the Liberals and the NDP.

Did you smoke before starting to post today? Cuz you really aren't making much sense....

You forgot to explain why the Conventional Wisdom from the Harper is *scary* *scary* *scary* has changed?

Before the election it was if the Conservatives won any goverment GOD FORBID. Didn't you know he would be *neutered* then?

btw Nice hypocrisy with the use of the term neutered. That is as sexist as it gets. But you are a centrist.

[Drea]

"SKREEEEEE!"

"LEFTIST"

As a centrist (that means in the middle btw) I agree with some conservative issues and I agree with some "leftist" (for lack of a better word) issues.

Harperites are a threat to the Canadian way of life. The way of life that was built during the 60's and 70's. Yah know, personal freedom and all that...

You see, the cons that post tend to be very right wing... so it is the opinions of these con voters that is scary. Not Harper. He's lame

Btw, I never said I was perfect, I said I was a centrists. I can be a sexist bitch anytime.... that don't make me no lefty!

[Ricki Bobbi]

Drea, here's the post you tried to ignore. Either you think those tactics will work or you really can't think of a response. I'm more and more thinking you did smoke today.

So any woman who supports the Conservatives is brainwashed and *anybody* who supports them is FOR a theocracy.

Wow that sure is some centrist thinking. If the political centre in Canada is somewhere between the Liberals and the NDP.

Did you smoke before starting to post today? Cuz you really aren't making much sense....

You forgot to explain why the Conventional Wisdom from the Harper is *scary* *scary* *scary* has changed?

Before the election it was if the Conservatives won any goverment GOD FORBID. Didn't you know he would be *neutered* then?

btw Nice hypocrisy with the use of the term neutered. That is as sexist as it gets. But you are a centrist.

[theloniusfleabag]

Dear August1991,

If you mean conservative as meaning reticent to change, then you are wrong.

I actually meant (primarily) fiscally conservative. Further, I would say that when it comes to expenditures, men (generally) are more inclined to make decisions based on the 'bottom line' of a ledger sheet than women, who I think would tend to add a bit of compassion/morality to a decision rather than the cold hard numbers. I usually dislike sweeping generalizations, but that is my opinion.

Religious conservativism is also usually the bent of primarily men, with women and children often playing the role of 'sheep to the shepherd'.

[Drea]

Drea, here's the post you tried to ignore. Either you think those tactics will work or you really can't think of a response. I'm more and more thinking you did smoke today.

So any woman who supports the Conservatives is brainwashed and *anybody* who supports them is FOR a theocracy.

Wow that sure is some centrist thinking. If the political centre in Canada is somewhere between the Liberals and the NDP.

Did you smoke before starting to post today? Cuz you really aren't making much sense....

You forgot to explain why the Conventional Wisdom from the Harper is *scary* *scary* *scary* has changed?

Before the election it was if the Conservatives won any goverment GOD FORBID. Didn't you know he would be *neutered* then?

btw Nice hypocrisy with the use of the term neutered. That is as sexist as it gets. But you are a centrist.

You already posted this and I already responded. How many Jack Daniels you have today?

Just because a person smokes marijuana does not mean they smoke it all day long. Sigggghhhh again... you fearmongers -- she's hooked on POT! I will however smoke one tonight when Hubby and I watch "Over the Hedge".

"SKREEEEEEEE! POT SMOKIN' LEFTIST"

g'night -- go for a walk -- it'll help lower your blood pressure.

[Ricki Bobbi]

You already posted this and I already responded. How many Jack Daniels you have today?

Just because a person smokes marijuana does not mean they smoke it all day long. Sigggghhhh again... you fearmongers -- she's hooked on POT! I will however smoke one tonight when Hubby and I watch "Over the Hedge".

"SKREEEEEEEE! POT SMOKIN' LEFTIST"

g'night -- go for a walk -- it'll help lower your blood pressure.

At least this time you tried to sorta respond.

Lotsa chronics wake and bake.

Just had my blood pressure checked. It's all good.

[betsy]

This incident will disappear from the headlines in a few days. I'll note two points: when Stronach took up with Domi, Tories and most of the Rightist media didn't inject a moral angle to their comments (when of if they said anything at all). Why does the Left invoke morality in its criticsms?

This is one aspect of politics. Whenever Belinda Stronach seems to appear on the stage, there's melodrama.

Actually, the right wing did attack her on the Domi thing. Radio and newspapers had a field day. And yes, it was a moral angle. That is the angle that right often attacks the left on.

And the melodrama is Peter MacKay. He can't leave this alone. Seems Stronach has moved on.

I don't know that Stronach is popular with women but it seems Conservatives are not popular with women.

And yet the right continue their attacks on Stronach. It seems petty. Makes the Conservatives look like a jealous ex-boyfriend.

What "right wing" attacked her on the Domi thing?

[gerryhatrick]

Okay, first, IF McKay said what he is alleged to have said I'm sure it was spur of the moment, but it was also kind of dumb.

But so what?

All this hyperbole and self-righteouness from the Liberals, particularly that moron David Mcguinty - whose only claim to fame is a lying sleaze of a brother who is premier of Ontario (and represents the same riding provincially) led the pack of outraged Liberals demanding McKay apologise for allegedly suggesting his ex-girlfriend was a dog.

The speaker didn't hear it. The electronic speakers in the House didn't hear it. Hansard didn't record it.

But no matter, it's a NATIONAL CRISIS!

Talk about making a federal case out of something.

If Brainless Belinda had any dignity she'd have ignored it. Instead we get treated to the pathetic display of her all over the airwaves lamenting how the guy she screwed over is being mean to her. And, of course, she and Chow Chow, Layton's elected girlfriend, who coincidentally has also been called a dog, used it to lament the sad state of female representation at the federal level, and how the Conservatives, of course, hate women.

Gee, do you think whining at your ex-boyfriend calling you names is maybe not the best way to prove how much more mature and dignified female politicians are?

Coincidentally again, Belinda only has her job - not to mention the clothes on her back, because of daddy, whlie Chow Chow only has her job because of hubby.

Such an impressive representation of the capability and self-reliance of female politicians!

Where is our champion of the board rules to convey some shrill outrage over all of the despicable personal attacks in this post?

Argus, nobody doubts it happened. Anyone still trying to hang onto that is fooling themselves.

In the court of public opinion (and common sense) it's obvious that it happened as it has been described.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Where is our champion of the board rules to convey some shrill outrage over all of the despicable personal attacks in this post?

Please quit trying to stir up trouble on the board. This part of your post adds nothing to the thread and could only have been intended to start a fight.

[betsy]

The sad part is that most conservative women only think they are thinking for themselves. They are actually only parrotting what they have been told. Poor brainwashed souls.

Actually that's exactly my observation towards most liberals. Usually after all their huffs and puffs....and they're challenged to provide something on which they've based their arguments....they usually go pfffft.

And then the screaming and the name-calling begins.

And speaking of parrots....funny you mentioned that. They do pick up words just like that. The latest word that I could think of is the sudden abundance of people using the word, "nuanced".

[gerryhatrick]

Where is our champion of the board rules to convey some shrill outrage over all of the despicable personal attacks in this post?

Please quit trying to stir up trouble on the board. This part of your post adds nothing to the thread and could only have been intended to start a fight.

Is the poster not breaking the rules, in your judgement? Personal attacks on third parties and all that?

[Drea]

And our little budgie can say "Hi Chickie"

Name calling -- you are too funny!

They've been frothing at the mouth calling me a "lefty" all day...

But s'okay. They'll get over it eventually.

[betsy]

And our little budgie can say "Hi Chickie"

Name calling -- you are too funny!

They've been frothing at the mouth calling me a "lefty" all day...

But s'okay. They'll get over it eventually.

It was a generalized comment. Check the other threads and you'll see what I mean.

[sharkman]

And our little budgie can say "Hi Chickie"

Name calling -- you are too funny!

They've been frothing at the mouth calling me a "lefty" all day...

But s'okay. They'll get over it eventually.

You, my friend, do not occupy the center. If you did you would not freak out over a right of center government like the Tories. Since you do, you are something else.

[Argus]

I can't believe that this incident is attracting so much attention. (And here I am posting about it.) It reflects badly on both the Liberals and the Conservatives (or at least McGuinty and Mackay).

Reading a G & M article, I see this:Linda Trimble, chair of the political science department at the University of Alberta, called Mr. MacKay's comments "unduly personal and mean-spirited."

This is what's known in journalist circles, as "shopping for quotes". It's how they put an opinion piece out as news. They simply find someone who will say what they want to say, then they print it. For example, who the hell is this "Linda Trimble" woman? From Alberta, eh? So why is the Globe going to Alberta to find someone to quote about a little spat between an Ontario MP and a cabinet minister from Nova Scotia? Well, because they probably called a dozen women in their "angry feminist" file, called them all, and then used the quote they liked best. If Trimble had said "Oh well, it's just a little spat between ex lovers. I don't attach any real importance to it" she'd never have appeared in the article. Isntead we'd read about Suzy Smorsberg, chair of the political science department at Dalhousie University, or whomever.

This kind of thing is one of the reasons why I have so very little respect for journalism.

[Argus]

This isn't about Harpers extremism or lack thereof.

It's about the attitude of conservatives toward women. The lack of respect is appalling and Canadian women will vote accordingly.

Do you actually think the Liberals and NDP, with all their self-righteous moralizing, are making a fuss for any other reason than self-interested political gain?

Lack of respect for women? The NDP and Liberals are chortling and guffawing and rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of how they can use this silly thing to convince "dumb women' to vote for them.

Because in reality, only dumb women would find this anything more than a tawdry display of disingenuous political posturing.

[Argus]

Maybe so -- conservative women do tend to be led by their husbands/fathers so you are probably correct.

Oh boy. Talk about sexist. I can think think of a couple of conservative women I'd simply LOVE to see you give that opinion in front of.

[cybercoma]

This isn't about Harpers extremism or lack thereof.

It's about the attitude of conservatives toward women. The lack of respect is appalling and Canadian women will vote accordingly.

Do you actually think the Liberals and NDP, with all their self-righteous moralizing, are making a fuss for any other reason than self-interested political gain?

Lack of respect for women? The NDP and Liberals are chortling and guffawing and rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of how they can use this silly thing to convince "dumb women' to vote for them.

Because in reality, only dumb women would find this anything more than a tawdry display of disingenuous political posturing.

My wife and I were talking about the issue today and she said, "what kind of woman takes something a guy says about his exgf as an insult to all women?"

Any woman, other than Belinda Stronach, who is insulted by what Peter MacKay said is an idiot, plain and simple.

[gerryhatrick]

My wife and I were talking about the issue today and she said, "what kind of woman takes something a guy says about his exgf as an insult to all women?"

Any woman, other than Belinda Stronach, who is insulted by what Peter MacKay said is an idiot, plain and simple.

Any woman who thinks calling a woman a dog is not sexist is an idiot, plain and simple.

[Argus]

Harperites are a threat to the Canadian way of life. The way of life that was built during the 60's and 70's. Yah know, personal freedom and all that...

Personal freedom without thought, conscience or responsibility is not something anyone but a self serving narcisist would admire.

Btw, I never said I was perfect, I said I was a centrists. I can be a sexist bitch anytime.... that don't make me no lefty!

Whatever you are, you are most definitely not a centrist. You evidence far too much reasonless hate towards the right wing for that.

[cybercoma]

My wife and I were talking about the issue today and she said, "what kind of woman takes something a guy says about his exgf as an insult to all women?"

Any woman, other than Belinda Stronach, who is insulted by what Peter MacKay said is an idiot, plain and simple.

Any woman who thinks calling a woman a dog is not sexist is an idiot, plain and simple.

Who said anything about it being sexist or not? My wife was saying that Belinda is the only one who has any right to be offended. It was a personal attack, not an attack on all women.

And I demand an apology for your weak attempt at calling my wife an idiot.

[Ricki Bobbi]

Whatever you are, you are most definitely not a centrist. You evidence far too much reasonless hate towards the right wing for that.

Very well said. It appears Drea's pronouncements of being a centrit ring hollow to many, many people.

[gerryhatrick]

My wife and I were talking about the issue today and she said, "what kind of woman takes something a guy says about his exgf as an insult to all women?"

Any woman, other than Belinda Stronach, who is insulted by what Peter MacKay said is an idiot, plain and simple.

Any woman who thinks calling a woman a dog is not sexist is an idiot, plain and simple.

Who said anything about it being sexist or not? My wife was saying that Belinda is the only one who has any right to be offended. It was a personal attack, not an attack on all women.

And I demand an apology for your weak attempt at calling my wife an idiot.

Sexism against women is an insult. Draw your own connections, they're pretty obvious.

And sexism against an MP in the House of Commons is more than just a personal attack.

And if I am to aplogize to your wife then perhaps she needs to start apologizing to the thousands of wives out there who she has labelled an idiot. What's good for the gander....

[Ricki Bobbi]

Sexism against women is an insult. Draw your own connections, they're pretty obvious.

And sexism against an MP in the House of Commons is more than just a personal attack.

And if I am to aplogize to your wife then perhaps she needs to start apologizing to the thousands of wives out there who she has labelled an idiot. What's good for the gander....

"You already have her." Not definitive evidence of sexism against an MP in the House of Commons.

The cnnections aren't obvious to anyone examining the evidence objectively.

[sharkman]

It wasn't sexism against an MP(belinda), ironically calling her a hot babe with a nice caboose would be sexism. Inferring she is a dog is only sour grapes. I'm sure a lot worse has been said in the House of Commons before, only people were adult enough to not worry about it.(Pass the Sheila tequ... never mind)