Big Blue Machine Posted October 11, 2006 Report Posted October 11, 2006 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/10/11/...-defection.html I hope the wheels come off the Iggy machine soon... Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
Biblio Bibuli Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/10/11/...-defection.htmlI hope the wheels come off the Iggy machine soon... The wheels came off Susan Kadis' bandwagon, Michael Ignatieff's are securely fastened. Poor Susie doesn't realise that when friendly fire happens and there are casualties the chances are that the soldiers will be charged with "war crimes". GO IGGY GO! Quote When a true Genius appears in the World, you may know him by this Sign, that the Dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift GO IGGY GO!
Canadian Blue Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I haven't really found any of the candidates in the Liberal leadership race to be all that different with maybe a few small differences in policy. It's a shame that the party of Pearson, King, St Laurent, and Laurier has been brought down to this level. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Argus Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/10/11/...-defection.html I hope the wheels come off the Iggy machine soon... The wheels came off Susan Kadis' bandwagon, Michael Ignatieff's are securely fastened. Poor Susie doesn't realise that when friendly fire happens and there are casualties the chances are that the soldiers will be charged with "war crimes". GO IGGY GO! Yeah, that happens like - uh - never. This idiot first offended Arabs with his insensitive remark, then offended Jews with another idiot remark. The guy is bouncing around like a pinball desperately trying to curry favour with one group while not outraging another. He's done the impossible: he's brought Arabs and Jews together. They all think he's an imbecile. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
August1991 Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I liked this comment: "Michael is an intelligent person and I would think that he would have a better handle on the Middle East given his years of experience on human rights and international law," Kadis said in a written statement. Ouch! Ignatieff's entire claim to fame is that he's a brilliant expert on international relations and human rights. I'm beginning to think the BBC will hire anybody if they've got the right image because that apparently is all that Ignatieff has. Quote
Biblio Bibuli Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Poor Susie doesn't realise that when friendly fire happens and there are casualties the chances are that the soldiers will be charged with "war crimes". Yeah, that happens like - uh - never. Oh yeah! So what about that American flier who mistakenly dropped a couple of bombs on Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan a year or so ago. Didn't they consider charging him with a "war crime" during his court martial? There were many instances when that happened ... the year that immediately pops into my mind is 1967, because I was there. And so was Geoffrey, if I'm not mistaken. LOOK!!! http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm Quote When a true Genius appears in the World, you may know him by this Sign, that the Dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift GO IGGY GO!
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/10/11/...-defection.htmlI hope the wheels come off the Iggy machine soon... Yet another reason why Iggy winning the leadership is the best thing that could possibly happen ... to the Conservatives. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/10/11/...-defection.htmlI hope the wheels come off the Iggy machine soon... Yet another reason why Iggy winning the leadership is the best thing that could possibly happen ... to the Conservatives. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Biblio Bibuli Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Yet another reason why Iggy winning the leadership is the best thing that could possibly happen ... to the Conservatives. Heeeeeere you go again, with that reverse psychology stuff. Harper is shaking in his boots at the thought of having to face Iggy and you know it! Quote When a true Genius appears in the World, you may know him by this Sign, that the Dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift GO IGGY GO!
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Heeeeeere you go again, with that reverse psychology stuff. Harper is shaking in his boots at the thought of having to face Iggy and you know it! Yup, I was trying to put the Jedi mind trick on you. Seriously of the top four Iggy is the Conservative's best shot at a majoirity. - He's pro-Afghanistan mission, pro-torture and anti-Israel. (All play into the Conservative's hands.) - He's inexperienced on the national stage and already proven a penchance to stick his foot in his mouth. - If it's a Conservative majority, which it could be, it will be his only election as leader (like Dion and Rae). This means he'll be much more likely to go for the big bold move. (Something like Martin's desperation "get rid of the Notwithstanding Clause" that people might actually care about.) This means he is that much more likely to make a big mistake. That is the one big advantage to Kennedy - he can stick around for a potential five or six year stint in opposition. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Figleaf Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 He's better off without such an unreliable opportunist as this Kadis. You can't get far with "supporters" who can't let their leader tell it like it is. He's still an igdiot, though for other reasons . Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 He's still an igdiot, though for other reasons . typo or pun? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
sharkman Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 This war crime comment seems to me somewhat like ole' uncle Jean, making remarks for and then against an issue. In the context of an election, however I was surprised to hear him come out in favour of the Iraq war. Canadian lefties pretty much think THAT war is a crime. And to initially support Israel with his remarks on the recent conflict there, I thought he was ruining his chances. And now the other shoe drops. Puttin' the war crime moniker on Israel sounds more like a lefty, and no doubt shores up support among that part of the voter base. Of course, now the other side might be somewhat disenchanted... Quote
Figleaf Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 He's still an igdiot, though for other reasons . typo or pun? The latter, punfortunately. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Very punny! Iggy pissing off the Jewish community would be a good thing for the Conservatives in an election, but can he win the leadership without the communties support? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Canadian Blue Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 From what I learnt, a war crime is when civilian's are intentionally targeted in a war. I think in a legal sense what Israel did would be justifiable since civilian deaths were unfortunately collateral damage. The people that would be responsible for war crimes would be Hezbollah who purposely used military positions in civilian populations in order to have an advantage in the propaganda war. Heeeeeere you go again, with that reverse psychology stuff. Harper is shaking in his boots at the thought of having to face Iggy and you know it! I'm shaking in my boots at having another Liberal as PM, finally having a PM that shows leadership would be a huge loss for the country. As well in my job I'd imagine morale would once again nosedive and be similar to the situation when the Liberals took control of the country in the early 90's. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
geoffrey Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 I haven't really found any of the candidates in the Liberal leadership race to be all that different with maybe a few small differences in policy. It's a shame that the party of Pearson, King, St Laurent, and Laurier has been brought down to this level. King was all about being anti-Jew too. Maybe Iggy is learning from him. Though in reality, he's just pulling another foot-in-mouth Martin moment. When one thing he says doesn't go well, say the opposite (*cough* same sex marriage anyone? biggest about face on an issue of morality ever, poor Mr. Martin). Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") --
Canadian Blue Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 When a person flip flops so much it only shows poor, undecisive leadership, and worse things to come. If any potential leader cannot show that they can show a position on an issue and stand firm then they only willing to compromise after some debate they should not be leader of this country. Iggy has gone from one extreme to another within a few months. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Argus Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Poor Susie doesn't realise that when friendly fire happens and there are casualties the chances are that the soldiers will be charged with "war crimes". Yeah, that happens like - uh - never. Oh yeah! So what about that American flier who mistakenly dropped a couple of bombs on Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan a year or so ago. Didn't they consider charging him with a "war crime" during his court martial? No. There were many instances when that happened None I can think of. ... the year that immediately pops into my mind is 1967, because I was there. And so was Geoffrey, if I'm not mistaken.LOOK!!! http://www.ussliberty.org/report/report.htm This says some ex-crewmembers of a US ship wanted the Israelis to be charged with war crimes. It doesn't say they ever were. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Higgly Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 There is no doubt Ignatieff screwed up. Decisions about what is and what is not a war crime should be made by authoritative investigative bodies, not political candidates. This having been said, Kadis was his campaign co-chair. Her resignation over a foreign affairs matter which does not directly effect Canada is curious. If she had done so over a major divisive domestic issue, that would be one thing. But over a remark made about a foreign country engaged in a war with another foreign country? She is welcome to whatever priorities she chooses, but the one she has chosen makes me wonder whether she was the right person for the job in the first place. Personally, I am not losing any sleep over Ignatieff's candidacy, since I don't see him as a good choice for PM for a number of reasons: he has little parliamentary experience, has spent a major (50%) portion of his life living outside the country, and he has little to no management experience of any kind. I also think he has made himself look too much like Harper with his support for the Iraq war (another change in direction). I see this screw-up coming out of a scramble to back away from that. Given a choice between Harper and a Harper look-a-like, the voters are going go for the real thing. Quote "We have seen the enemy and he is us!". Pogo (Walt Kelly).
gerryhatrick Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Too bad for the Conservatives. It's become quite obvious they want Iggy to be the Liberal leader more than anything. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com
Biblio Bibuli Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 There were many instances when that happened None I can think of. That's because you're too lazy to look, I guess. LOOK! http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/19/britain.iraq/ If these three blokes, because of their negligence, can be charged with war crimes, then why shouldn't the Israeli military intelligence be for THEIR negligence that caused the wrong building to be blown up? You know...there are WAR CRIMES and there are war crimes. And I'm sure that Michael Ignatieff is NOT asking to slice the heads off of those responsible. Maybe a few months in jail, a demotion, a reprimand, a slap on the wrist ... something. And if asked where Hamas stands on war crimes committed and it's seriousness versus those of the Israelis, I'm sure he'd have Hamas far far FAR ahead, by at least a thousand to one. ON BOTH COUNTS! So what's the big deal?? GO IGGY GO! Quote When a true Genius appears in the World, you may know him by this Sign, that the Dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift GO IGGY GO!
Biblio Bibuli Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 If the heading of this thread "The wheels starting come off the Iggy bandwagon" is true how come the odds on him are dropping every day? http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...mp;refer=canada Quote When a true Genius appears in the World, you may know him by this Sign, that the Dunces are all in confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift GO IGGY GO!
Canadian Blue Posted October 12, 2006 Report Posted October 12, 2006 Well, I will give Rae the best and most intelligent response to Ignatieff's mideast comments. Allright, for war crimes what if Canadian pilots accidently bombed civilians in Serbia due to the fact the Serbs has strategically placed military points in civilian locations. Would you support our troops being incarcerated for that crime. It's war, get used to it. War is a terrible thing, and should always be a last resort, however most always remain a possibility. Canadian's should know this from fighting in the Boer War, World War 1, 2, and the Korean War, as well as fighting in Kosovo and Afganistan. All of these mission's involved combat. If these three blokes, because of their negligence, can be charged with war crimes, then why shouldn't the Israeli military intelligence be for THEIR negligence that caused the wrong building to be blown up? It's a large scale combat mission, and right now conventional war has been replaced by Guerilla warfare. The rules have changed dramatically. If you have ever seen the documentary Death in Gaza, you will notice terrorists using children to achieve their means. In the western world we are actaully willing to see our own military casualties rise in order to save civilian lives on the enemy side. The last thing we should be doing is charging troops for an honest mistake. You can't accuse Israel of warcrimes, yet it seems okay that British Para's fired into unarmed civilians in Ireland in the 1970's and got away with it. A common saying used be many is I'd rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6. Quote "Keep your government hands off my medicare!" - GOP activist
Argus Posted October 13, 2006 Report Posted October 13, 2006 There were many instances when that happened None I can think of. That's because you're too lazy to look, I guess. Nope. It's because I know what I'm talking about. And you, quite clearly, don't. LOOK! http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/19/britain.iraq/ If these three blokes, because of their negligence, can be charged with war crimes Is this a joke? Are you serious? They beat a guy up and threw him in the river and he drowned. Are you that totally confused about the concept involved here? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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