noahbody Posted November 16, 2007 Report Posted November 16, 2007 Thats not what i am saying at all... I'm saying that Martin too did the 'right thing for Canadians' by calling for an inquiry... Just agreeing with you on what good leaders do... The restrictions put on Gomery only made Martin a good criminal. It was pretty hard to stomach Chretien's pal Corriveau answering he couldn't recall because his wife has Alzheimer's. Or the fund raiser who had a meeting in the PMO, but couldn't recall who she met with. No idea. If Mulroney perjured himself in court, have the RCMP charge him. Let's not waste millions on another dog and pony show. Quote
jdobbin Posted November 16, 2007 Author Report Posted November 16, 2007 The restrictions put on Gomery only made Martin a good criminal. It was pretty hard to stomach Chretien's pal Corriveau answering he couldn't recall because his wife has Alzheimer's. Or the fund raiser who had a meeting in the PMO, but couldn't recall who she met with. No idea. If Mulroney perjured himself in court, have the RCMP charge him. Let's not waste millions on another dog and pony show. Harper is free to call his investigations into Martin, Chretien, Turner, Trudeau, Pearson, etc if he likes. He's the boss now. As for the present investigation into an inquiry, perhaps Harper can cancel it once they get rid of Shreiber in a few weeks. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted November 16, 2007 Report Posted November 16, 2007 As for the present investigation into an inquiry, perhaps Harper can cancel it once they get rid of Shreiber in a few weeks. Who is this mythical 'they' you are referring to? You wouldn't be trying to misrepresent the fact that Schreiber has exhausted all but one appeal, the final one being to the Supreme Court of Canada, would you? Nah, you'd never do that. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted November 16, 2007 Report Posted November 16, 2007 Thats not what i am saying at all... I'm saying that Martin too did the 'right thing for Canadians' by calling for an inquiry... Just agreeing with you on what good leaders do...That he did.He also did the right thing vis a vis his relationship with the Chretien wing of the LPOC. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
gc1765 Posted November 16, 2007 Report Posted November 16, 2007 Who is this mythical 'they' you are referring to?You wouldn't be trying to misrepresent the fact that Schreiber has exhausted all but one appeal, the final one being to the Supreme Court of Canada, would you? I assume "they" refers to the minister of justice, who is the person who will decide whether Schreiber will stay or not... Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jdobbin Posted November 16, 2007 Author Report Posted November 16, 2007 I assume "they" refers to the minister of justice, who is the person who will decide whether Schreiber will stay or not... The only thing standing between Shreiber in the final analysis is a ministerial permit. Even the judge said that in two weeks the government is in a legal position to extradite the guy. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted November 17, 2007 Report Posted November 17, 2007 I assume "they" refers to the minister of justice, who is the person who will decide whether Schreiber will stay or not... If the Supreme Court decides to grant Schreiber an appeal than he will be allowed to stay in the country. You aren't assuming that the Conservatives have co-opted the Supremes. Are you? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
gc1765 Posted November 17, 2007 Report Posted November 17, 2007 If the Supreme Court decides to grant Schreiber an appeal than he will be allowed to stay in the country.You aren't assuming that the Conservatives have co-opted the Supremes. Are you? What are you talking about? I said the decision rests in the hands of the minister of justice. That's what the court ruled. Are you disagreeing with that? Quote Almost three thousand people died needlessly and tragically at the World Trade Center on September 11; ten thousand Africans die needlessly and tragically every single day-and have died every single day since September 11-of AIDS, TB, and malaria. We need to keep September 11 in perspective, especially because the ten thousand daily deaths are preventable. - Jeffrey Sachs (from his book "The End of Poverty")
jdobbin Posted November 21, 2007 Author Report Posted November 21, 2007 Latest Decima poll. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/071120/...ulroney_fallout The Canadian Press Harris-Decima survey indicates the Conservatives actually increased their lead over the Liberals, despite days of highly charged politicking over the dealings between the former prime minister and the German-Canadian businessman.The poll, conducted last weekend, showed the Conservatives with 36 per cent support, compared with 28 per cent for the Liberals. The NDP were at 17 per cent, the Greens, 11, and eight per cent of respondents backed the Bloc Quebecois. Pollster Bruce Anderson said the data suggests the opposition hasn't been able to exploit the Mulroney-Schreiber situation. What Stephane Dion and the Liberals may have seen as a heaven-sent opportunity to knock the Tories off-stride has apparently not connected with voters. "Mr. Dion hasn't been able to create a political opportunity," Anderson said. "The Conservatives weren't getting much forward momentum from a pretty popular throne speech and pretty popular tax cuts that they announced. "I think what we're really seeing this week is that the efforts of the opposition parties to really kind of reset the agenda away from those initiatives and on the Mulroney-Schreiber hasn't really taken." The pollster goes on to comment about the strength of the Tories in Quebec and how they could be sick of the scandals and support Harper for calling an inquiry. The Liberals are down one point from the last Decima poll and they can't seem to make any gains. The Tories by contrast have gotten back to their election day numbers. At some point in the new year, the Liberals will have to vote a measure of confidence, take their lumps and be satisfied keeping Harper to a minority. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that there has been any real change from the election numbers except that the BQ are in the most trouble of all the parties. Can the Tories win enough seats in that province to win an election? That remains to be seen. Quote
jbg Posted November 21, 2007 Report Posted November 21, 2007 At some point in the new year, the Liberals will have to vote a measure of confidence, take their lumps and be satisfied keeping Harper to a minority. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that there has been any real change from the election numbers except that the BQ are in the most trouble of all the parties. Can the Tories win enough seats in that province to win an election? That remains to be seen.Understanding that most MP's enjoy their "jobs" they'll probably eat Tory Crap Sandwiches and collect a check right through October 19, 2009. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
capricorn Posted November 21, 2007 Report Posted November 21, 2007 Latest Decima poll.http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/071120/...ulroney_fallout The pollster goes on to comment about the strength of the Tories in Quebec and how they could be sick of the scandals and support Harper for calling an inquiry. I regularly check the Quebec blogs to see where Quebecers are at on this matter. IMO one of the main reasons they approve of the inquiry is they would hope it would shed more light on the Grand-Mere and sponsorship scandals. Quebecers generally think Mulroney has done something crooked after he left office. On the other hand, Chretien was still in office during the two main scandals and they're hoping he and other Liberals will be held accountable through the inquiry's findings. They're more after the heads of Liberals than Mulroney's. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jdobbin Posted November 21, 2007 Author Report Posted November 21, 2007 Understanding that most MP's enjoy their "jobs" they'll probably eat Tory Crap Sandwiches and collect a check right through October 19, 2009. Doubtful. They do want things to go on a little longer but they cannot go through more confidence motions related to social justice issues. They weren't going to vote down a tax reduction that included a restored tax deduction form their last budget. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted November 21, 2007 Report Posted November 21, 2007 This is the best the Conservatives have done in a Harris-Decima (or Decima before the restructing) poll since February. It would be nice to see a breakdown of the Quebec results. Have they pulled even with the Bloc because of gains in Montreal or elsewhere in the province? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted November 21, 2007 Report Posted November 21, 2007 I regularly check the Quebec blogs to see where Quebecers are at on this matter. IMO one of the main reasons they approve of the inquiry is they would hope it would shed more light on the Grand-Mere and sponsorship scandals. Quebecers generally think Mulroney has done something crooked after he left office. On the other hand, Chretien was still in office during the two main scandals and they're hoping he and other Liberals will be held accountable through the inquiry's findings. They're more after the heads of Liberals than Mulroney's.What is Grand-Mere? And do they separate Mulroney from Harper mentally? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Michael Bluth Posted November 21, 2007 Report Posted November 21, 2007 Now the left will understand the frustration of the right during the Chretien years. They dug up their best piece of 'dirt' on Harper. Mere blip in the polls. They now have a 7 point lead on the Liberals which means a sure victory, and means they are edging closer to a majority. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
capricorn Posted November 21, 2007 Report Posted November 21, 2007 (edited) What is Grand-Mere? And do they separate Mulroney from Harper mentally? Grand-Mere a.k.a Shawinigate, in which Chretien had shady dealings regarding his part ownership of a golf course before and during being PM. http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/chretien/shawinigan.html http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-73-1700-11683...tical_scandals/ Many unanswered questions were left hanging. IMO most Quebecers make a clear distinction between Mulroney and Harper. Edited November 21, 2007 by capricorn Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Michael Bluth Posted November 21, 2007 Report Posted November 21, 2007 IMO most Quebecers make a clear distinction between Mulroney and Harper. The opinion polls clearly support your belief. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted November 22, 2007 Report Posted November 22, 2007 Grand-Mere a.k.a Shawinigate, in which Chretien had shady dealings regarding his part ownership of a golf course before and during being PM.http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/chretien/shawinigan.html http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-73-1700-11683...tical_scandals/ Many unanswered questions were left hanging. I always wondered why we didn't get a contemporaneous open, full and complete disclosure. Jdobbin??? IMO most Quebecers make a clear distinction between Mulroney and Harper. In whose favor? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
capricorn Posted November 22, 2007 Report Posted November 22, 2007 In whose favor? Harper's polling high numbers in Quebec and has not been associated with any scandal (although the Liberals are trying hard to do so). I would conclude Quebecers have a much higher opinion of Harper than of Mulroney. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jbg Posted November 22, 2007 Report Posted November 22, 2007 (edited) Harper's polling high numbers in Quebec and has not been associated with any scandal (although the Liberals are trying hard to do so). I would conclude Quebecers have a much higher opinion of Harper than of Mulroney.Thanks. I actually did not know answer, but I know that Harper's numbers are not good among Anglophone Quebeckers. Also, is Harper's popularity spreading to other ridings or is it just rising in the small region of Quebec near Quebec City that has the 11 contiguous blue ridings? Edited November 22, 2007 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
capricorn Posted November 22, 2007 Report Posted November 22, 2007 Thanks. I actually did not know answer, but I know that Harper's numbers are not good among Anglophone Quebeckers. Also, is Harper's popularity spreading to other ridings or is it just rising in the small region of Quebec near Quebec City that has the 11 contiguous blue ridings? jbg I don't know offhand and I can't find recent poll results that have that fine of a breakdown. Maybe someone else has a lead on this? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jdobbin Posted November 22, 2007 Author Report Posted November 22, 2007 jbg I don't know offhand and I can't find recent poll results that have that fine of a breakdown. Maybe someone else has a lead on this? Breakdown of the Quebec Decima results over three weeks. http://www.decima.com/en/pdf/news_releases/071121E.pdf BQ: 32 Conservative: 26 Liberal: 22 BQ are losing quite a bit in the polls. The Liberals are down from the previous week. The three week sample gives a little more accurate breakdown based on sample size. It remains to be seen whether the Tories can move past the BQ in the next two weeks. Quote
capricorn Posted November 22, 2007 Report Posted November 22, 2007 Thanks for that link jd. I searched for detailed data for support by party and by region in Quebec. I don't think this Harris-Decima poll produced findings that fine. Because the numbers are volatile right now looking at earlier polls results won't be helpful. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
jdobbin Posted November 27, 2007 Author Report Posted November 27, 2007 Latest Ipsos poll. http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.ht...22-f4fb70321183 The poll said that the Tories had dropped to 39 per cent support - a decline of three percentage points - while the Liberals had been bumped up one point to 29 per cent of decided voters. The NDP held steady at 15 per cent support while the Green Party went up slightly by one point to eight per cent of the vote.Darrell Bricker, president of Ipsos Reid, said the poll indicates that Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the Conservatives have so far avoided major political damage from the affair. "I don't think these specific events have had much impact. Maybe a little bit of an impact but it's not like it has crashed the numbers in the same way, for example, as the sponsorship scandal hit Paul Martin and the Liberals," said Bricker. The survey was conducted during a week of highly partisan activity at a Commons committee which is moving to hold hearings into the affair. Opposition MPs are pressing the Conservative government, which has called a public inquiry into the matter, to intervene in the extradition of German businessman Karlheinz Schreiber since he is the key witness for the Commons committee, and later, the inquiry. As the pollster says, for some reason the Harper Tories cannot push it past the 40% mark for very long. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted November 27, 2007 Report Posted November 27, 2007 Latest Ipsos poll. http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.ht...22-f4fb70321183 As the pollster says, for some reason the Harper Tories cannot push it past the 40% mark for very long. Polls can not be trusted- where is the governing body to make sure the companies that do these surveys are behaving themselves? There is no two party sytem in Canada or America- It's a huge Facist state. So once we except that fact that all politics has become theatre.the better - then with that out of the way - we can instruct our Facist wanna be masters..someone has to speak up...if you continue in this delluded idea that democacy exists - then the wakeup call will be ten times are rude when it comes. Pollsters and those that engage such companies know one thing for certain - that the individual is fear full and terrified of being cut from the herd of sheeple...so if a poll states that 90% of the people believe that poop smells like roses..80% will agree - George Bernard Shaw said "The majority is always wrong" and he was right. If you were to conduct a poll that stated 98% of people admitted to being homo-sexuals - the ranks of the gay population would double in a day...human beings are pitiful. Quote
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