jdobbin Posted July 19, 2007 Author Report Posted July 19, 2007 Latest poll from Strategic Counsel on Afghanistan and support for political parties. On Afghanistan, support not very strong at all for the mission. he survey, conducted between July 12-16 for CTV and The Globe and Mail, suggests the level of intensity for Canadians strongly opposed to the mission is far greater than those who are in firm support: (percentage point change from a July 12-15, 2006 poll in brackets): * Total Support: 36 per cent (-3) * Strongly Support: 7 per cent (-1) * Support: 29 per cent (-2) * Oppose: 31 per cent (same) * Strongly oppose: 27 per cent (+2) * Total Oppose: 59 per cent (+3) Peter Donolo, a partner with The Strategic Counsel, told CTV.ca the numbers show only a small minority of core supporters for deploying troops to the war-ravaged country. "In every single region, the level of strong support is in the single digits," said Donolo. "Whereas the level of strong opposition ranges from 41 per cent in Quebec to the mid-20s everywhere else." As far as political support across Canada: But across Canada, it remains a horse race between the Conservatives and Liberals, suggesting neither party has the momentum needed to secure a majority government: * Conservatives: 31 per cent (- 3 per cent) * Liberals: 31 per cent (same) * NDP: 17 per cent (+1) * Bloc Quebecois: 10 per cent (same) * Greens: 10 per cent (+1) Basically a tie. It would seem Afghanistan is a major issue and hurting support in Quebec according to the pollster. Quote
White Doors Posted July 19, 2007 Report Posted July 19, 2007 (edited) uuhhh.. those numbers dont really add up.. Total Support: 36 per cent (-3)* Strongly Support: 7 per cent (-1) * Support: 29 per cent (-2) * Oppose: 31 per cent (same) * Strongly oppose: 27 per cent (+2) * Total Oppose: 59 per cent (+3) Edited July 19, 2007 by White Doors Quote Those Dern Rednecks done outfoxed the left wing again.~blueblood~
Michael Bluth Posted July 19, 2007 Report Posted July 19, 2007 What is the reasoning for the weak Liberal numbers? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted July 20, 2007 Author Report Posted July 20, 2007 uuhhh.. those numbers dont really add up..Total Support: 36 per cent (-3)* Strongly Support: 7 per cent (-1) * Support: 29 per cent (-2) * Oppose: 31 per cent (same) * Strongly oppose: 27 per cent (+2) * Total Oppose: 59 per cent (+3) You'll have to ask CTV/Globe and Mail about that. Quote
jdobbin Posted July 20, 2007 Author Report Posted July 20, 2007 What is the reasoning for the weak Liberal numbers? Yes, they're so poor that if an election were held today, they might win only a minority. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted July 20, 2007 Report Posted July 20, 2007 Yes, they're so poor that if an election were held today, they might win only a minority. As opposed to losing again. We've seen Harper's skills on the campaign trail. Does Dion really have that in him? Really? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted July 20, 2007 Report Posted July 20, 2007 I already said predominantly was an incorrect word. Do you feel better harping on the same word even after that? Please stop with the insulting tone of voice. Yes I have reported you. You win sir. You have bullied me off your threads. Pat yourself on the back. Now, it is an insulting tone. What tone are you referring to? The one where I said you were wrong that the CCF was made up disaffected Liberals? I await to hear from the moderators. I think there are far more interesting things to learn than, for the umpteenth time, "jdobbin" and "Michael Bluth" don't get along. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted July 20, 2007 Author Report Posted July 20, 2007 I think there are far more interesting things to learn than, for the umpteenth time, "jdobbin" and "Michael Bluth" don't get along. Or to see you interject into the scene? Quote
jbg Posted July 20, 2007 Report Posted July 20, 2007 I think there are far more interesting things to learn than, for the umpteenth time, "jdobbin" and "Michael Bluth" don't get along.Or to see you interject into the scene?A word of explanation is in order. I have my settings designed to notify me of each post. I find 25 posts on this thread when I come home from work and I have real problems with almost half of them being Grade 4 material. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted July 20, 2007 Author Report Posted July 20, 2007 A word of explanation is in order. I have my settings designed to notify me of each post. I find 25 posts on this thread when I come home from work and I have real problems with almost half of them being Grade 4 material. Your last post was around midnight yesterday. What 25 messages since then are you referring to? If you came to look for the latest poll results, they are there and there isn't 25 messages to sift through to look at them. Quote
Vancouver King Posted July 20, 2007 Report Posted July 20, 2007 What is the reasoning for the weak Liberal numbers? Yes, they're so poor that if an election were held today, they might win only a minority. The latest numbers make clear that another fatal incident, this time one involving Van Doos and body bags risks a Quebec media frenzy that will effectively shut down Conservative chances in the province. At 16%, the party has a steep uphill battle to hold it's current 10 seat rump - with a military disaster involving the province's fabled regiment, Harper can write the province off. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
jdobbin Posted July 20, 2007 Author Report Posted July 20, 2007 The latest numbers make clear that another fatal incident, this time one involving Van Doos and body bags risks a Quebec media frenzy that will effectively shut down Conservative chances in the province.At 16%, the party has a steep uphill battle to hold it's current 10 seat rump - with a military disaster involving the province's fabled regiment, Harper can write the province off. Things could get far worse with the threats the U.S. is making to go into Pakistan. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/18140.html The Bush administration, after publicly demanding that Musharraf rein in militants linked to al Qaida, on Wednesday threatened to launch attacks into Pakistani territory if it sees fit."We certainly do not rule out options, and we retain the option especially of striking actionable targets," said White House spokesman Tony Snow. "But it is clearly of the utmost importance to go in there and deal with the problem in the tribal areas." There is no denying Pakistan is a problem but talk about taking the fight up a notch. Meanwhile, more reports of Iranian-made weapons were reported in the Globe and Mail yesterday. Support in Quebec for the mission is nearly nil. Support for the Tories is third place and could drop further and no doubt, a big reason might be Afghanistan. Quote
jbg Posted July 20, 2007 Report Posted July 20, 2007 Your last post was around midnight yesterday. What 25 messages since then are you referring to? If you came to look for the latest poll results, they are there and there isn't 25 messages to sift through to look at them.The count would run from the last time I was active in a thread. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted July 21, 2007 Author Report Posted July 21, 2007 Harper falls to 29% in Angus Reid poll, Dion at 14%. Fewer Canadians are satisfied with their prime minister, according to a poll by Angus Reid Strategies. 29 per cent of respondents approve of Stephen Harper’s performance, and 28 per cent say their opinion of the head of government worsened over the past month.In December 2006, former environment minister Stéphane Dion became the new leader of the Liberals. Only 14 per cent of respondents approve of Dion’s performance, and 21 per cent of respondents say their opinion of the Liberal leader has worsened over the past four weeks. When asked which of the two main federal leaders would make the best prime minister, 40 per cent of respondents pick neither, 33 per cent select Harper, and 14 per cent choose Dion. Neither is starting to be a popular choice. Quote
Moxie Posted July 21, 2007 Report Posted July 21, 2007 Two weak leaders, both political parties are completely different from their grass roots. I don't feel I have a decent choice to make when I vote, I don't like the liberals, Cons or the NDP. I don't think the politicians realise how angry the undecided voters are with their lack of clear leadership in Canada. It's party idiology and inbetween pandering to special interest groups, lobby groups and minority groups the government has no energy left to run our country. Quote Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy
Michael Bluth Posted July 22, 2007 Report Posted July 22, 2007 Two weak leaders, both political parties are completely different from their grass roots. I don't feel I have a decent choice to make when I vote, I don't like the liberals, Cons or the NDP. I don't think the politicians realise how angry the undecided voters are with their lack of clear leadership in Canada. It's party idiology and inbetween pandering to special interest groups, lobby groups and minority groups the government has no energy left to run our country. It's not a matter of weakness with Harper. He is a strong leader who just can't connect with people. Lack of charsima? Quite possibly the reason. It's a tough country to govern. I think the parties all understand that the undecided voters are angry. The question is how to appease the anger. The country is being run. Unfortunately the 'pandering' as you call it is a necessary part of govering. Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jbg Posted July 23, 2007 Report Posted July 23, 2007 It's not a matter of weakness with Harper. He is a strong leader who just can't connect with people. Lack of charsima? Quite possibly the reason.One of my son's camp counselors hails from Nova Scotia. When I brought up "Stephen Harper" he said "let's not talk about him". When I mentioned Dion he said "he's even worse".I would guess that those reactions are typical. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jdobbin Posted August 4, 2007 Author Report Posted August 4, 2007 Here is the latest poll from Ipsos Reid. http://www.canada.com/topics/news/politics...b0d9d0e&k=86074 The survey, conducted by Ipsos Reid for CanWest News Service and Global National, shows that the Tories are stalled at 34 per cent support nationally, a slight dip from the 36 per cent they secured when they won the election Jan. 23, 2006."This poll is important because 18 months is usually the lifespan of most governments in a minority position and if this is a referendum on performance, it really hasn't gone anywhere," said John Reid, Ipsos senior vice-president. The government's stalled numbers, he said, bring to mind the phrase "don't confuse activity with progress." The poll indicates that 32 per cent of Canadians would support the Liberals if an election were held today, while the NDP garnered 17 per cent and the Greens, the only party to gain momentum since the last election, settled at eight per cent. The Conservatives and Liberals are tied in Quebec, with each party capturing 23 per cent support, trailing the Bloc Quebecois' 33 per cent. The results, which are virtually unchanged from an Ipsos poll conducted in mid-June, suggest that Canadians are in for many more sessions of minority Parliaments because the Harper government remains short of the 40 per cent support that is typically required to reach majority government territory. Pretty much same old, same old. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 8, 2007 Author Report Posted August 8, 2007 (edited) Latest poll from Decima. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/stor...08?hub=Politics Nearly half of Canadians think the Harper government lacks a clear agenda, a new poll suggests.The Canadian Press-Decima Research survey, conducted in the first week of August, found that 46 people cent of respondents said they were not sure where the Conservative government wants to go. Only about one in three said they think the government has a clear program for the future. Decima CEO Bruce Anderson said the results suggest many people feel the Conservatives have accomplished much of what they promised in the last election, but don't seem to have a follow-up. "We've seen a couple of signals now that the plurality of Canadians . . . feel as though the government should articulate a clear agenda going forward." The numbers also suggest there's a continuing ambivalence about the Tory government, he added. Interestingly, more people want a new environment minister than a new defense minister. Edited August 8, 2007 by jdobbin Quote
Vancouver King Posted August 8, 2007 Report Posted August 8, 2007 Latest poll from Decima.Interestingly, more people want a new environment minister than a new defense minister. Both portfolios continue to be millstones around Harper's neck. Changing the messengers is no substitute for changing govt policy. The voters might view this govt as now lacking direction, the same electorate, however, is still fully aware that Conservatives remain on the wrong side of two huge issues: Afghanistan and climate change. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
Michael Bluth Posted August 8, 2007 Report Posted August 8, 2007 Latest poll from Decima.Interestingly, more people want a new environment minister than a new defense minister. Isn't there a rule about unattributed source material? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
jdobbin Posted August 8, 2007 Author Report Posted August 8, 2007 Isn't there a rule about unattributed source material? I've been trying to edit the post since I first put it up there but it won't edit. I am asking for some help now. Quote
jdobbin Posted August 8, 2007 Author Report Posted August 8, 2007 Both portfolios continue to be millstones around Harper's neck. Changing the messengers is no substitute for changing govt policy. The voters might view this govt as now lacking direction, the same electorate, however, is still fully aware that Conservatives remain on the wrong side of two huge issues: Afghanistan and climate change. The issue of climate change won't be one that can be easily brushed off. Likewise, the opposition to Afghanistan remains very high in places like Quebec. Harper will probably have to definitively say when Canada's role will end this fall. Even then, the mission has the ability to hurt who is ever in government right through till 2009. Quote
Michael Bluth Posted August 8, 2007 Report Posted August 8, 2007 Thanks for the link. There are some other interesting comments in that article. The numbers also suggest there's a continuing ambivalence about the Tory government, he added."A certain number of people seem to like it, some of them passionately, a certain number of people seem to dislike the government, some of them passionately. But most people don't have strong passions one way or the other about this government. "That's what these results really point to." The poll also indicated that only 36 per cent of respondents felt Prime Minister Stephen Harper needs to shuffle his cabinet - something sources say he is set to do next week. The ambivalence about the Government is good news for the Tories. It at least means that most people haven't made up their mind. Everybody knows that the Government needs to come up with a new agenda. I've said it repeatedly and it is the reason they will prorogue Parliament in the fall. The cabinet response is an interesting one. Especially considering the results of the CTV poll I posted on the O'Conner vs. Hillier thread. Link 72% of respondents said it would be appropriate for O'Connor to be demoted or it should have happened earlier. I don't quite know how those results correspond with most people not think there is a need for a Cabinet shuffle. Do these people realize that O'Connor being demoted could only take place in the context of a cabinet shuffle? Quote No one has ever defeated the Liberals with a divided conservative family. - Hon. Jim Prentice
M.Dancer Posted August 9, 2007 Report Posted August 9, 2007 72% of respondents said it would be appropriate for O'Connor to be demoted or it should have happened earlier. I don't quite know how those results correspond with most people not think there is a need for a Cabinet shuffle. Do these people realize that O'Connor being demoted could only take place in the context of a cabinet shuffle? I would guess IMO that most people undestand the difference bewteen a major and minor shuffle. Considering every Tory MP was a cabinet rookie at the begining of this Government, there must be a few willing victims for Defence. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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