Zimbabwe Needs to be Invaded, and Mugabe Toppled!

[TravellingTimeMachineSalesman]

When is the international community along with NATO going to take some serious action about whats going on in the nation of Zimbabwe? The ZANU dictator His Excellency Robert Polgabe ( Pol Pot + Mugabe) has stolen the last three election through outright fraud, threats and intimidation and now he is trying to control the nation three starvation. His latest "urban renewal" by bulldozer resulted in more than 700,000 people being homeless. In 1980 he sent in his elite "Fifth Brigade trained by the North Korean into Matebeleland and they massacred more than 20,000 men, women and children.

Paratroopers for the "101st Airborne Division, Delta Force, Tomahawk Cruise Missiles, Apache Cobra gunship

-s could lay waste to various Army, Police, intelligence installations throughout Zimbabwe. But I am wondering who would have the courage to launch an all out attack? The people need to be free and the only military intervention can save them

Polgabe needs to be also handcuffed, shackled, and put aboard a plane for the Hague for crimes! Ex President Charles Taylor needs a cellmate

[jbg]

Let's face it. Decolonization has been a colossal failure. This may not be politically correct to say, but decolonization and self-determination has benefitted only the rulers. Many "freed" countries are at best a drain on the rest of the world, through constant need for relief, and/or holdups by the rulers. Many others are very real dangers.

The UN has done a real disservice by giving a false sense of legitimacy to such thugs as Mugabe.

[Wilber]

Let's face it. Decolonization has been a colossal failure. This may not be politically correct to say, but decolonization and self-determination has benefitted only the rulers. Many "freed" countries are at best a drain on the rest of the world, through constant need for relief, and/or holdups by the rulers. Many others are very real dangers.

The UN has done a real disservice by giving a false sense of legitimacy to such thugs as Mugabe.

Some are failures some are not. Many were not paradises before they were colonized and were ruled by people like Mugabe or worse before Europeans arrived. The colonial era in Africa was quite short, 50 years in some cases so it didn't make many lasting fundamental changes in society.

[jbg]

Let's face it. Decolonization has been a colossal failure. This may not be politically correct to say, but decolonization and self-determination has benefitted only the rulers. Many "freed" countries are at best a drain on the rest of the world, through constant need for relief, and/or holdups by the rulers. Many others are very real dangers.

The UN has done a real disservice by giving a false sense of legitimacy to such thugs as Mugabe.

Some are failures some are not. Many were not paradises before they were colonized and were ruled by people like Mugabe or worse before Europeans arrived. The colonial era in Africa was quite short, 50 years in some cases so it didn't make many lasting fundamental changes in society.

My opint is that things, if anything, have been worse in most countries since "independence". Notable exceptions are Barbados, India and Israel. They all have one thing in common; membership in the Anglosphere.

[Wilber]

My opint is that things, if anything, have been worse in most countries since "independence". Notable exceptions are Barbados, India and Israel. They all have one thing in common; membership in the Anglosphere.

Not sure what you mean by Anglosphere or how Barbados was different other than the fact that much of its population are descendent's of slaves brought from Africa. Zimbabwe was also a British colony.

[August1991]

When is the international community along with NATO going to take some serious action about whats going on in the nation of Zimbabwe?

There are some six billion people in the world. (Does any poster have an idea of what the number six billion means? I don't.)

There are several million of these some odd six billion in Zimbabwe. What of the others?

[Argus]

When is the international community along with NATO going to take some serious action about whats going on in the nation of Zimbabwe?

There are some six billion people in the world. (Does any poster have an idea of what the number six billion means? I don't.)

There are several million of these some odd six billion in Zimbabwe. What of the others?

In my opinion Africa should be put under stewardship. All the local rulers booted out, the boundaries re-drawn, and the new countries ruled under trusteeship until enough educated, capable citizenry can be raised to run them. Select bright young educated people to job shadow those running things to see how it should be done, and then gradually give them more and more power and authority over the coming decades.

Otherwise, fifty years from now, I think Africa will remain a hole.

[myata]

Too bad the cost of such "stewardship" (human and financial) would be such that none of this world's benefactors would be interested. Although you can try to pursuade them otherwise.

[Borg]

If you folks think this continent is screwed up - then visit Africa.

It is a cesspool of money, power, sex and drugs - for a select few. The rest just do their best to get up to the top layer. The country really does not matter - it is all the same.

A beautiful place. A hopeless place.

If we cannot enter various middle east countries without divisions in this country - why in the hell should we add to our own problems?

Eventually Mugabe will die and yet another dictator wll rise to the top. It is the African way and I for one do not want to get involved in changing it.

Borg

[jbg]

Too bad the cost of such "stewardship" (human and financial) would be such that none of this world's benefactors would be interested. Although you can try to pursuade them otherwise.

If the UN were shut down, the savings could be used for such "stewardships".

[jdobbin]

In my opinion Africa should be put under stewardship. All the local rulers booted out, the boundaries re-drawn, and the new countries ruled under trusteeship until enough educated, capable citizenry can be raised to run them. Select bright young educated people to job shadow those running things to see how it should be done, and then gradually give them more and more power and authority over the coming decades.

Otherwise, fifty years from now, I think Africa will remain a hole.

It is often the bright young educated that turn out to be tyrants in Africa.

[Argus]

Too bad the cost of such "stewardship" (human and financial) would be such that none of this world's benefactors would be interested. Although you can try to pursuade them otherwise.

I think the cost would be lower in the long run. How many tens of billions have we already pumped into Africa for zero return? There are a number of African countries which really could become economic powerhouses due to their resources if they were just managed intelligently and honestly. It could actually be profitable to take them over. Education is the key. They need to take over with intelligent, capable governing, educate a new generation, put in job shadowing for the best and brightest, and then slowly wean then away, giving them first municipal, then regional, then state, and finally federal self-government.

But I don't think the world has the patience for that. And I think too many on the left would be outraged by the paternalism while too many on the right would be outraged at the cost.

If I had Bill Gates money I think I'd recruit my own army out of Eastern Europe and Russia, equip it with cheap (but working) unneeded Ex-Soviet gear, and take over some real ratf*ck of a country under cover of a smiling black figurehead. Then I'd bring in western (preferably black) administrators to develop the resources, build a proper transporation network, education and health care system. Gates could do all that on the interest on the interest he earns in a year.

[myata]

I'd call it a pipe dream.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The birthplace of humanity is in dire straits. Unless the world starts paying attention to the travesties going on there the consequences will be extreme. As it stands a vast portion of the population is HIV positive, impoverished and the largest receipants of products from the arms manufacturers of the world. Not that they are buying nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers, or even aircraft. They are not buying tanks and and SAMs, they are buying AK47's and M16's. Millions of landmines are sold there as well.

The world is taking a profit at the expense of Africa in the arms industry. Its easy to understand why there is so much political unrest over there. The scant funds available to governments in this less than industrialized continent go to providing the means of achieving or retaining political power at gunpoint.

[jbg]

I think the cost would be lower in the long run. How many tens of billions have we already pumped into Africa for zero return?

Your analysis is quite true. It would be even more complete and shocking if you added the costs of the UN to your African aid total.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

The choice of ignoring Africa is not wise. The cost of humanity is high, but you simply can't put a price on human life. Trying to calculate a ROI on Africa merely highlights the plight of the citizens there. Without effort on part they will believe that we do not value their lives, this will not serve the purpose of attaining peace on this earth.

[TravellingTimeMachineSalesman]

Thanks to the "Smiling Tooth Fairy from Georgia" President Jimmy Cater, his "favorite mouthpiece" and degenerate, Andrew Young along with a shortsighted "Black American Caucus", Zimbabwe is now well on the way towards becoming the next "Killing Fields" and "Future Biafra". This Maoist lunatic & "schweinhund" the "Honourable Robert Polgabe" who should never have been allowed to come to power is free to steal. kill and destroy. Man, what the hell is wrong with the leaders of the so called west who seem to back down at every challenge and crisis facing us all? With the various military forces in the West virtually undermanned, effeminated and underequipped its no wonder we don't have means to react to emergencies and crisises that may occur. Instead of squandering valuable money, men and equipment in this "Mesopotamian quagmire" US and British forces should have invaded and toppled this despotic ZANU-PF regime a long time ago. Believe me all of Zimbabwe would rejoice in "total jubilation" at the end of this brutal rule of oppression!

[jbg]

Thanks to the "Smiling Tooth Fairy from Georgia" President Jimmy Cater, his "favorite mouthpiece" and degenerate, Andrew Young along with a shortsighted "Black American Caucus", Zimbabwe is now well on the way towards becoming the next "Killing Fields" and "Future Biafra".

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Believe me all of Zimbabwe would rejoice in "total jubilation" at the end of this brutal rule of oppression!

And replace him with what? Direct rule?

[TravellingTimeMachineSalesman]

Zimbabwe would be placed under UN Administration until "real genuine, free and fair electons" could be held.

Those responsible for human rights abuse, corruption would be removed, and out on trial, and given long sentences away from Zimbabwe.

If necessary some kind of direct rule would be implemented to put a stop the chaos, human rights abuse, and ZANU-PF sanctioned murder thats now going on! Any kind of rule is better than whats going on, wouldn't you say?

You seem to be in favour of this "schweinhund" and his band of thugs, now why is that may I ask?

[jbg]

Zimbabwe would be placed under UN Administration until "real genuine, free and fair electons" could be held.

Those responsible for human rights abuse, corruption would be removed, and out on trial, and given long sentences away from Zimbabwe.

Good idea. I would add, though, that Scharansky and other advocates of the concept of democratizing in order to avoid these kinds of evils also caution against premature elections. A civil society needs to be built first. It is entirely possible that, pressured by the US election cycle, Iraq was pitched too rapidly into elections.

[Borg]

Are you folks prepared to go to war?

If not none of the above will happen.

Borg

[TravellingTimeMachineSalesman]

I would be prepared to go to war!! However its the 'gutless' and often impotent governments in the USA, Great Britain, and the other western nations that lack the backbone, and political will to take on the challenge

of confronting this "schweinhund" and the murderous regime he leads! The time for negotiating has long since past and only a strong military force comprising of paratroopers from the 82nd and 100st Airborne Division, the British Parachute Regiment, and some from NATO along with massive airstrikes can rid Zimbab-we of the Communist ZANU-PF scum. In my opinion this would be like cutting out a massive cancerous tumour thats slowly killing a patient! ZANU-PF is that 'diseased part', " direct military intervention" is the cure!

Now how about a massive "surgical strike" to free the oppressed people of Zimbabwe? The British Common-wealth didn't sit by when Hitler rolled into Poland did they? Well neither should we back down from confronti-ng Mugabe's "hell on earth"!!