gerryhatrick Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Tory support sliding, poll showsSUE BAILEY Canadian Press Ottawa — A new poll suggests Tory support is sliding over voter concern that Canada has become too cozy with the United States on Middle East policy. The latest results by Decima Research, released to The Canadian Press, put the Conservatives and Liberals in a virtual tie nationally. The Tories had 32 per cent support compared with 31 per cent for the Liberals and 16 per cent for the New Democrats. But the Liberals widened their Ontario lead to 42 per cent of voter support compared with 33 per cent for the Conservatives, and have pulled in front of the Tories in Quebec for the first time since last winter's campaign. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home This is good news for Canada. It's good for the world also. Canada will return to being the voice of peace and reason. The environment - in need of particular attention at the moment - will also benifit. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Tory support sliding, poll shows SUE BAILEY Canadian Press Ottawa — A new poll suggests Tory support is sliding over voter concern that Canada has become too cozy with the United States on Middle East policy. The latest results by Decima Research, released to The Canadian Press, put the Conservatives and Liberals in a virtual tie nationally. The Tories had 32 per cent support compared with 31 per cent for the Liberals and 16 per cent for the New Democrats. But the Liberals widened their Ontario lead to 42 per cent of voter support compared with 33 per cent for the Conservatives, and have pulled in front of the Tories in Quebec for the first time since last winter's campaign. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home This is good news for Canada. It's good for the world also. Canada will return to being the voice of peace and reason. The environment - in need of particular attention at the moment - will also benifit. Defeat of Hezbollah and Islamic warriors would be good news for Canada. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerryhatrick Posted August 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Defeat of Hezbollah and Islamic warriors would be good news for Canada. What a bizarre comment. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffrey Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 My support of Harper has dropped too... but my support for the Liberals hasn't increased. I honestly don't know who I can vote for next election. Harper still has time to turn it around in my books. Quote RealRisk.ca - (Latest Post: Prosecutors have no "Skin in the Game") -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakunin Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 My support of Harper has dropped too... but my support for the Liberals hasn't increased. I honestly don't know who I can vote for next election. Harper still has time to turn it around in my books. i feel just like you do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Warwick Green Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Tory support sliding, poll shows SUE BAILEY Canadian Press Ottawa — A new poll suggests Tory support is sliding over voter concern that Canada has become too cozy with the United States on Middle East policy. The latest results by Decima Research, released to The Canadian Press, put the Conservatives and Liberals in a virtual tie nationally. The Tories had 32 per cent support compared with 31 per cent for the Liberals and 16 per cent for the New Democrats. But the Liberals widened their Ontario lead to 42 per cent of voter support compared with 33 per cent for the Conservatives, and have pulled in front of the Tories in Quebec for the first time since last winter's campaign. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...y/National/home This is good news for Canada. It's good for the world also. Canada will return to being the voice of peace and reason. The environment - in need of particular attention at the moment - will also benifit. We are a long, long way from an election. Who knows - by next Spring the Tories could be 10 points ahead in the polls. And foreign policy won't be the campaign issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerryhatrick Posted August 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 We are a long, long way from an election. Who knows - by next Spring the Tories could be 10 points ahead in the polls. And foreign policy won't be the campaign issue. Things are looking pretty good though. Harpers domestic issues are far from being winners. If anything, that would drive him further down. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Warwick Green Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 We are a long, long way from an election. Who knows - by next Spring the Tories could be 10 points ahead in the polls. And foreign policy won't be the campaign issue. Things are looking pretty good though. Harpers domestic issues are far from being winners. If anything, that would drive him further down. Anyone who is anti-Harper must get pretty depressed looking at the Eleven Dwarves. I don't see any of them capable of beating Harper. I'm not sure I agree with you on domestic policy - child care allowance, cut in the GST, crime bill, denutting the gun registry. There is a fair degree of public support for these. Because the support for Harper is going down - at least right now - I can see the opposition yahoos voting down the softwood lumber deal. Harper would win if he is forced into an election on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Anyone who is anti-Harper must get pretty depressed looking at the Eleven Dwarves. I don't see any of them capable of beating Harper.I'm not sure I agree with you on domestic policy - child care allowance, cut in the GST, crime bill, denutting the gun registry. There is a fair degree of public support for these. Because the support for Harper is going down - at least right now - I can see the opposition yahoos voting down the softwood lumber deal. Harper would win if he is forced into an election on that. You probably forget the yawner that was the Conservative leadership campaign and then even bigger yawn that was the merger. People could barely identify Harper and McKay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Warwick Green Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Anyone who is anti-Harper must get pretty depressed looking at the Eleven Dwarves. I don't see any of them capable of beating Harper. I'm not sure I agree with you on domestic policy - child care allowance, cut in the GST, crime bill, denutting the gun registry. There is a fair degree of public support for these. Because the support for Harper is going down - at least right now - I can see the opposition yahoos voting down the softwood lumber deal. Harper would win if he is forced into an election on that. You probably forget the yawner that was the Conservative leadership campaign and then even bigger yawn that was the merger. People could barely identify Harper and McKay. But then the Conservatives haven't got a Sponsorship Scandal (that was in the news for months thanks to Gomery) to bring them down. The only Lib who looks anywhere promising is Igantieff - he's not associated with the previous government and he is not soiled goods like Rae. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 This is good news for Canada? This is terrible news for Canada. Supporting a leaderless party that unabashedly stole millions from the taxpayers shows just how stupid people are. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiraly Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 The only Lib who looks anywhere promising is Igantieff - he's not associated with the previous government and he is not soiled goods like Rae. From what I've seen so far, I would have to agree... ...but then I'm a small "c" conservative so I'm not sure if liberals would want him to lead their party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 But then the Conservatives haven't got a Sponsorship Scandal (that was in the news for months thanks to Gomery) to bring them down.The only Lib who looks anywhere promising is Igantieff - he's not associated with the previous government and he is not soiled goods like Rae. The Conservatives have Afghahistan. It is going to have around their necks like a millstone. Martha Hall Findlay is looking more and more credible. Perhaps not as leader now but as a strong member of the party. Kennedy might be a fine addition too and Dion has shown some strength. It is too early for Rae to be leader of a party that he has no history with. Having said that, he might be a strong front bencher in opposition or cabinet. Volpe has to redeem himself over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 This is good news for Canada? This is terrible news for Canada. Supporting a leaderless party that unabashedly stole millions from the taxpayers shows just how stupid people are. It might be preferable to some Canadians than a party committted to staying in Afghanistan long term when the situation might worsen substantially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margrace Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Anyone who is anti-Harper must get pretty depressed looking at the Eleven Dwarves. I don't see any of them capable of beating Harper. I'm not sure I agree with you on domestic policy - child care allowance, cut in the GST, crime bill, denutting the gun registry. There is a fair degree of public support for these. Because the support for Harper is going down - at least right now - I can see the opposition yahoos voting down the softwood lumber deal. Harper would win if he is forced into an election on that. You probably forget the yawner that was the Conservative leadership campaign and then even bigger yawn that was the merger. People could barely identify Harper and McKay. But then the Conservatives haven't got a Sponsorship Scandal (that was in the news for months thanks to Gomery) to bring them down. The only Lib who looks anywhere promising is Igantieff - he's not associated with the previous government and he is not soiled goods like Rae. No there's Martha Findlay, hope women are following her campaign, the only one with any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
margrace Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 This is good news for Canada? This is terrible news for Canada. Supporting a leaderless party that unabashedly stole millions from the taxpayers shows just how stupid people are. It might be preferable to some Canadians than a party committted to staying in Afghanistan long term when the situation might worsen substantially. Yes how long will it take to send all our soldiers home in body bags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Yes how long will it take to send all our soldiers home in body bags? I think a lot of Canadians are worried that Afghanistan might have insurmoutable problems. The pourous border with Pakistan that shields al Qaeda and the international drug trade put Canada in the firing line. The dug drealing Taliban can pay more to a fighter than the government can to a soldier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 No there's Martha Findlay, hope women are following her campaign, the only one with any sense. I'd like to see how well she does in the convention. I think a woman leader of the Liberals might go over well, especially if she brings something new to the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Warwick Green Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 No there's Martha Findlay, hope women are following her campaign, the only one with any sense. I'd like to see how well she does in the convention. I think a woman leader of the Liberals might go over well, especially if she brings something new to the table. Women leaders in Canada have not done well - think Kim and the two female NDP leaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 Women leaders in Canada have not done well - think Kim and the two female NDP leaders. Kim Campbell was already dealing with the Titantic. The captain and most of the crew had abandoned ship and she took it down to the bottom. As far as 2 female NDP leaders, they both came from the least populated areas of the country. I don't know that Findlay will win in the leadership. What she has done is win herself a place on the front bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerryhatrick Posted August 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 This is good news for Canada? This is terrible news for Canada. Supporting a leaderless party that unabashedly stole millions from the taxpayers shows just how stupid people are. From the Gomeray report: Mr. Chrétien to be exonerated from blame for Mr. Corriveau’s misconduct.snip On the evidence there is no basis for attributing blame or responsibility to any other Minister of the Chrétien Cabinet, since they, like all members of Parliament, were not informed of the initiatives being authorized by Mr. Pelletier and their funding from the Unity Reserve. Mr. Martin, whose role as Finance Minister did not involve him in the supervision of spending by the PMO or PWGSC, is entitled, like other Ministers in the Quebec caucus, to be exonerated from any blame for carelessness or misconduct. Let's see you back up your comments. You can't. And of course, as per the advice of Frank Luntz, the Conservative party is engaged in Liberal bashing over this issue for another year. Perhaps instead they should concentrate on governing and responding intelligently to circumstances. Perhaps then they wouldn't be sinking like a rock in the polls. Quote Conservative Party of Canada taking image advice from US Republican pollster: http://allpoliticsnow.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 The only Lib who looks anywhere promising is Igantieff - he's not associated with the previous government and he is not soiled goods like Rae. From what I've seen so far, I would have to agree... ...but then I'm a small "c" conservative so I'm not sure if liberals would want him to lead their party. Bill Clinton would be the best analogy. He was relatively popular and successful as a President, but destroyed his party in the process. Put simply, he should have dragged the party to the same center he occupied. If Ignatieff wins and does not do that, the Liberals will be history. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 This is good news for Canada? This is terrible news for Canada. Supporting a leaderless party that unabashedly stole millions from the taxpayers shows just how stupid people are. It might be preferable to some Canadians than a party committted to staying in Afghanistan long term when the situation might worsen substantially. I'm ashamed to share the same country with Canadians who originally supported going into Afghanistan to help stabilize the region, but would tuck tail and run when faced with adversity. Soldiers die in war. Canadians need a serious reality check. Their purpose is to help establish the freedom and democracy we enjoy in an area that has never had those things which we take for granted. Anyone who says, "f*** it! Let them (Afghanis) fend for themselves," is heartless. Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rover1 Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 Afghanistan has been the graveyard of many over the years who tried to help establish a more stable government for whatever reason. It is a considerably more complex situation than many suppose. On the balance of probabilities, the present effort will fail for one reason or another. As far as the next general election is concerned, I note that the NDP came out at 16% in the poll. Its present silence on just about everything, seems unlikely to gain it any votes. It is surprising that Mr Layton has not really pointed out weaknesses in the present government's performance, if only to get himself some needed notice, if for no other reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdobbin Posted August 4, 2006 Report Share Posted August 4, 2006 I'm ashamed to share the same country with Canadians who originally supported going into Afghanistan to help stabilize the region, but would tuck tail and run when faced with adversity. Soldiers die in war. Canadians need a serious reality check. Their purpose is to help establish the freedom and democracy we enjoy in an area that has never had those things which we take for granted. Anyone who says, "f*** it! Let them (Afghanis) fend for themselves," is heartless. I think that might have been the attiude in Vietnam as well. The U.S. eventually became part of of the problem. Something similar might be happening in Iraq where the U.S. might be part of the problem in a country that it itching to fight a civil war. Today, the Generals told Congress that a civil war might be a few months away. There was talk about a quick pull out if that is the case. Cut and run? No. Common sense. Afghanistan's situation is growing worse. If Canada can't attack one of the largest sources of the insurgency in Pakistan, it might not be able to win this fight. And that's not heartless. That's a reality check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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