Ricki Bobbi Posted September 4, 2006 Report Posted September 4, 2006 Then again, you're taking the position the bias has to be so utterly obvious and noticeable it can be pointed to with utter certainty. It rarely is that subtle. It's in choice of words, choice of stories, choice of guests, choice of interviewees, the slant placed on certain stories, the determination to pursue certain stories strongly and not others. I'd nuke the whole network, personally. It's highly unprofessional, wastefully bloated and overstaffed, without a creative bone in its collective body. It certainly isn't worth a dime of taxpayers money. The choice of the same *hip* *young* *left-of-centre* announcers. Sook-yin Lee, George Stromobolopous, Avi Lewis, Evan Solomon is there any difference between these people? I will admit Gian Gomeshi appears to fit this mold but is much more open-minded and fair than the rest. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Argus Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 Then again, you're taking the position the bias has to be so utterly obvious and noticeable it can be pointed to with utter certainty. It rarely is that subtle. It's in choice of words, choice of stories, choice of guests, choice of interviewees, the slant placed on certain stories, the determination to pursue certain stories strongly and not others. I'd nuke the whole network, personally. It's highly unprofessional, wastefully bloated and overstaffed, without a creative bone in its collective body. It certainly isn't worth a dime of taxpayers money. The choice of the same *hip* *young* *left-of-centre* announcers. Sook-yin Lee, George Stromobolopous, Avi Lewis, Evan Solomon is there any difference between these people? I will admit Gian Gomeshi appears to fit this mold but is much more open-minded and fair than the rest. CTV is almost as bad. An example of what could be seen as bias; First, the report on the four dead soldiers in Afghanistan, followed by a recitation of how many have died since then. Followed by an interview with Jack Layton telling us it's hopeless and unCanadian to be there and we should all get out. Then a move on to the next story. The CBC, by contrast, reported the story, then went to Layton for his spiel, and then, and I kid you not, said "and Layton isn't alone in calling for the troops to return home) and put on a boy of about eight who said he thought Canadian soldiers should come home. If it weren't the national media I'd suspect a subtle dig at Layton, but those guys are never subtle. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 CTV is almost as bad. An example of what could be seen as bias; First, the report on the four dead soldiers in Afghanistan, followed by a recitation of how many have died since then. Followed by an interview with Jack Layton telling us it's hopeless and unCanadian to be there and we should all get out. Then a move on to the next story. The Toronto Sun has the same list of soldiers killed plus the story of the four killed this weekend. They also have the Layton story. Are they lefties too? Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 It's not about them being right or left. The Sun can run what they want. They don't derive the majority of their revenue from tax dollars. The CBC does. Cut of the flow of government money and the CBC is free to do what they want .... if they can survive. The Toronto Sun has the same list of soldiers killed plus the story of the four killed this weekend. They also have the Layton story. Are they lefties too? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
jdobbin Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 It's not about them being right or left. The Sun can run what they want. They don't derive the majority of their revenue from tax dollars. The CBC does. Cut of the flow of government money and the CBC is free to do what they want .... if they can survive. I was responding to the question on CTV not CBC. Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 I thought "Are they lefties too?" was compaing the Sun to the CTV and the CBC. Regardless, the CBC is free to broadcast all the bias they want once the tax payer funds are turned off. I was responding to the question on CTV not CBC. Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Argus Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 CTV is almost as bad. An example of what could be seen as bias; First, the report on the four dead soldiers in Afghanistan, followed by a recitation of how many have died since then. Followed by an interview with Jack Layton telling us it's hopeless and unCanadian to be there and we should all get out. Then a move on to the next story. The Toronto Sun has the same list of soldiers killed plus the story of the four killed this weekend. They also have the Layton story. Are they lefties too? The Sun doesn't limit its coverage to that. It has other stories and commentary on Afghanistan - including an editorial calling Layton a moron. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 The Sun doesn't limit its coverage to that. It has other stories and commentary on Afghanistan - including an editorial calling Layton a moron. So you think CTV should have editorials? Quote
Ricki Bobbi Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 Uhhh, the do. Do you ever watch CTV news? So you think CTV should have editorials? Quote Dion is a verbose, mild-mannered academic with a shaky grasp of English who seems unfit to chair a university department, much less lead a country. Randall Denley, Ottawa Citizen
Argus Posted September 5, 2006 Report Posted September 5, 2006 The Sun doesn't limit its coverage to that. It has other stories and commentary on Afghanistan - including an editorial calling Layton a moron. So you think CTV should have editorials? I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if all you report is a long story on the deaths of Canadians, and then go to Jack Layton for a friendly interview you are implicitly endorsing what Layton is saying. Why go to Layton? Why not go to the minister of defence, or go to reps from several of the leading parties? By choosing who to go to you are in effect making a case. All reporterse know this. They all know exactly who they can go to to get the kinds of quotes which will support their own views, so a story can be defended from the charge it is mere editorializing. Even though it is. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jdobbin Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 Uhhh, the do. Do you ever watch CTV news? I do but I'm trying to remember if I have seen an editorial by them. Quote
jdobbin Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if all you report is a long story on the deaths of Canadians, and then go to Jack Layton for a friendly interview you are implicitly endorsing what Layton is saying. Why go to Layton? Why not go to the minister of defence, or go to reps from several of the leading parties? By choosing who to go to you are in effect making a case. All reporterse know this. They all know exactly who they can go to to get the kinds of quotes which will support their own views, so a story can be defended from the charge it is mere editorializing. Even though it is. I see to remember them talking to O'Connor and McKay as well. I sometimes think it is a question of what is newsworthy. Layton was making a fairly provocative stance and it is newsworthy. I don't think there was anything ambiguous about it. Duceppe did the same thing today and now he is getting the same news treatment. Still, they gave McKay a chance to reply at length about what he thought. Quote
jbg Posted September 6, 2006 Report Posted September 6, 2006 Still, they gave McKay a chance to reply at length about what he thought. The timing and sequencing of the various statements give away media bias. Look at the way CBC created the impression that Harper "wasn't moved" by stories of Lebanese suffering. He said not such thing though you'd never know that listening to the CBC. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
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