Are anti-datacenter people foreign actors?

[John Stone]

On 5/28/2026 at 9:27 AM, Nationalist said:

Generally a 24/7 crew of about 6 plus daily staff and contractors.

How much? I'd guess and average of about 75K per head.

Generally? 

We don't know do we? 

That is what makes it so political 

Cutting to the chase?

Necessary, but not in my backyard. 

[Nationalist]

43 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Generally? 

We don't know do we? 

That is what makes it so political 

Cutting to the chase?

Necessary, but not in my backyard. 

So...you make silly arguments then what?

Admit you've made silly arguments?

[John Stone]

Just now, Nationalist said:

So...you make silly arguments then what?

Admit you've made silly arguments?

Keep hoping, I'd rather admit ur ignorance on all topics. 😁

What is in question is whether it's ignorance,  conscious ignorance or an addiction to Kool aide. 😁

 

[Nationalist]

10 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Keep hoping, I'd rather admit ur ignorance on all topics. 😁

What is in question is whether it's ignorance,  conscious ignorance or an addiction to Kool aide. 😁

 

Hoping for what? You make an uneducated guess at the employment requirements of a DC, I show you how that's not the case, and you claim that I'm ignorant?

Young man...you consistently make silly assumptions and get made to look the fool. So...you make a final insult and...run away?

May I suggest that going forward, you refrain from making silly assumptions about things you know little to nothing about?

At least that way, you won't be constantly washing egg from your face.

[John Stone]

11 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Hoping for what? You make an uneducated guess at the employment requirements of a DC, I show you how that's not the case, and you claim that I'm ignorant?

Young man...you consistently make silly assumptions and get made to look the fool. So...you make a final insult and...run away?

May I suggest that going forward, you refrain from making silly assumptions about things you know little to nothing about?

At least that way, you won't be constantly washing egg from your face.

re:  May I suggest that going forward, you refrain from making silly assumptions about things you know little to nothing about?  / Nationalist.

 

This u? 

"Generally a 24/7 crew of about 6 plus daily staff and contractors.

How much? I'd guess and average of about 75K per head."

 

Pot meet kettle 😅

Edited Friday at 01:56 PM by John Stone

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, John Stone said:

re:  May I suggest that going forward, you refrain from making silly assumptions about things you know little to nothing about?  / Nationalist.

 

This u? 

"Generally a 24/7 crew of about 6 plus daily staff and contractors.

How much? I'd guess and average of about 75K per head."

 

Pot meet kettle 😅

Mr. Pot...every DC is different. Thus nobody can tell you exactly how many employees would staff all of them.

But having built more than a couple DCs, I provided you with realistic numbers.

Now please run along and play and come back when and if you ever grow up.

Have a nice day young man.

Edited Friday at 02:02 PM by Nationalist

[John Stone]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Mr. Pot...every DC is different. Thus nobody can tell you exactly how many employees would staff all of them.

But having built more than a couple DCs, I provided you with realistic numbers.

Now please run along and play and come back when and if you ever grow up.

Have a nice day young man.

 "I'd guess"............ OMG, that's hilarious confirmation of ur ignorance. 😅

Here, on me.......

 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

 

I'm neutral on this ........ really don't care! 

However, the concerns of communities, real or groomed, are real ........and therefore political 

Well I think that was my point though as well, the concerns here are more political than practical

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

The facts are moot. 

There are still those that believe Jan 6th never happened, the SS murdered Kennedy, Apollo 11 was a hoax and Jews were behind 9/11 ............. suppose I could that the General of 2020 was rigged. 🤪

LOL Well if your point is Their that data centers are pretty low on the list of well-established nut bar theories out there I will concede the point

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

When a utility builds infrastructure (delivery) the long-established business model is   to socialize the cost across all users?

Not really, no. I'm racking my brains but I can't think of any. In history where that's how it works. Other than occasionally the government provides for the infrastructure and in such cases it's an equally available to everybody and usually at the same price. Or if there is a different price it's completely based on usage or the like

 

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

The other approach when demand for energy explodes without a corresponding increase in utility supply, is for the utility to raise user rates by engaging in so-called market rates, determined by the supply and demand – akin to the oil commodity. 

I don't recall that happening either and to be blunt no same business person is going to put their data center in a place where there is not enough power to adequately run it after providing for local services. Like, if you were starting a bottled water company would you open it in the desert?

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

Data centers do recycle the supply that provides cooling – however, that also involves supply infrastructure – the cost is again distributed.

The cost is not distributed, the cost is borne by the data center. I am not sure where you're getting the idea that it's different than this but literally every type of business out there is in exactly the same boat. I mean Automotive manufacturing and Industrial applications such as steel require insane amounts of power as well, this is not the first industry that requires massive amounts of power. The cost does not get distributed down to the people, it just doesn't work that way. In fact the more power usage there is generally speaking the more affordable it is to provide the power generation infrastructure necessary to satisfy everyone's needs

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

The concerns of communities are legit – whether that will have any effect on corrupt government is yet to be determined. Data centers are expanding exponentially.

I don't feel that you've made the case that they are legit. As I've noted the issues you brought up do not appear at first glance or even second or third glance to be real actual issues. In fact they tend to go in the face of established norms. That's not to say there's no valid concerns but I'm just not seeing any significant valid concerns

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

 Would it be more advantageous for a community to lean into a 10 thousand acre solar-farm (robbing Ag) or bear the inevitable cost of an energy hog Data Center. Pick ur poison - but tech rolls on. 

The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact the existence of the other may lead to the deployment of the first. Nothing drives the move towards cheaper energy From the presence of large power hungry users

3 hours ago, John Stone said:

The other concern is that science and by extension technology never stop – international competition is a reality …. and that, by extension becomes a concern re: national security.😨

 

Well I don't really understand why that's a concern, that sounds more like in a reality that needs to be faced. But wouldn't that argue even more strongly that people shouldn't embrace and support the development of this important technology in their communities?

[John Stone]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Well I think that was my point though as well, the concerns here are more political than practical

LOL Well if your point is Their that data centers are pretty low on the list of well-established nut bar theories out there I will concede the point

Not really, no. I'm racking my brains but I can't think of any. In history where that's how it works. Other than occasionally the government provides for the infrastructure and in such cases it's an equally available to everybody and usually at the same price. Or if there is a different price it's completely based on usage or the like

 

I don't recall that happening either and to be blunt no same business person is going to put their data center in a place where there is not enough power to adequately run it after providing for local services. Like, if you were starting a bottled water company would you open it in the desert?

The cost is not distributed, the cost is borne by the data center. I am not sure where you're getting the idea that it's different than this but literally every type of business out there is in exactly the same boat. I mean Automotive manufacturing and Industrial applications such as steel require insane amounts of power as well, this is not the first industry that requires massive amounts of power. The cost does not get distributed down to the people, it just doesn't work that way. In fact the more power usage there is generally speaking the more affordable it is to provide the power generation infrastructure necessary to satisfy everyone's needs

I don't feel that you've made the case that they are legit. As I've noted the issues you brought up do not appear at first glance or even second or third glance to be real actual issues. In fact they tend to go in the face of established norms. That's not to say there's no valid concerns but I'm just not seeing any significant valid concerns

The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact the existence of the other may lead to the deployment of the first. Nothing drives the move towards cheaper energy From the presence of large power hungry users

Well I don't really understand why that's a concern, that sounds more like in a reality that needs to be faced. But wouldn't that argue even more strongly that people shouldn't embrace and support the development of this important technology in their communities?

There is a Canadian, Kevin O'Leary, that is developing a DC in Utah. When complete it  will span 64 square miles and consume more energy than the entire state - the water demand and the infrastructure to deliver it is ginormous. 

Kevin uses the Cold War strategy of 'us against them" (US vs. China) to justify his development. 

Kevin ignores the concerns of the community, implying that protests are paid actors largely funded by China. 

There is an explosion of DC development  largely due to the fact that Trump has gutted EPA.......... for developers the race is on to 'get it done' while environmental oversight is non-existent, the guy is 80 y/o. 

Many argue that China will be the winner in the AI 'cold war' - largely due to the fact that they are consistent in planning - and that is largely due to their focused and directed ideology. 

In the U.S. commercial demand for energy is exploding - while rate payers demand has largely flatlined. 

China on the other hand is rapidly weaning itself off non-renewable energy ....... although China does use coal fired generators it is leading the world in reducing emissions - but not for environmental concerns - for nat. security concerns. 

The US. is exactly the opposite  re: green energy, and it's technology. The Trump admin discourages 'green energy', science and development. 

The other concern is the technology that is being used in these rapidly developed DC's - the profit is getting these huge developments up and running quickly - there is no thought of today's technology becoming obsolete in a short time.

Kevin is an interesting study ............. a combination of lies, gas lighting, exaggeration and BS. 

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, John Stone said:

There is a Canadian, Kevin O'Leary, that is developing a DC in Utah. When complete it  will span 64 square miles and consume more energy than the entire state - the water demand and the infrastructure to deliver it is ginormous. 

Kevin uses the Cold War strategy of 'us against them" (US vs. China) to justify his development. 

Kevin ignores the concerns of the community, implying that protests are paid actors largely funded by China. 

There is an explosion of DC development  largely due to the fact that Trump has gutted EPA.......... for developers the race is on to 'get it done' while environmental oversight is non-existent, the guy is 80 y/o. 

Many argue that China will be the winner in the AI 'cold war' - largely due to the fact that they are consistent in planning - and that is largely due to their focused and directed ideology. 

In the U.S. commercial demand for energy is exploding - while rate payers demand has largely flatlined. 

China on the other hand is rapidly weaning itself off non-renewable energy ....... although China does use coal fired generators it is leading the world in reducing emissions - but not for environmental concerns - for nat. security concerns. 

The US. is exactly the opposite  re: green energy, and it's technology. The Trump admin discourages 'green energy', science and development. 

The other concern is the technology that is being used in these rapidly developed DC's - the profit is getting these huge developments up and running quickly - there is no thought of today's technology becoming obsolete in a short time.

Kevin is an interesting study ............. a combination of lies, gas lighting, exaggeration and BS. 

 

 

 

Most of that is only half true at best. He's developing two facilities one in Canada and one in america. The American one was not as big as you say it is and both of them will have their own independent power generation if they proceed. In other words they won't use a single scrap of the existing grids power supply.

This is a perfect example of the conspiracy theory type misinformation the causes people to freak out about these kinds of things and it's just simply not justified.

Not that I like Kevin O'Leary, I think he's a bit of a twat.

But the data centers are not going to significantly negatively impact the communities that they're put in. And we don't see the people in Alberta freaking out about it.

It's not that there are no valid concerns, it's just that the concerns that are there are so grossly overblown that it's ridiculous.