Here's why

[Deluge]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh Trump's no angel. There's no doubt about that. But these charges you make are pure reality warping. Democrat bullshit. Which is just one of the reasons he is in the Whitehouse now.

If the Democrats win back Congress, they'll impeach him again. But none of it will stick and he'll still be POTUS. 

That must really urk you.

Juan Piedra's been slurping up the propaganda again, lol

The only real crime in this country is leftism. It's got to go.  

[John Stone]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Never happened.  His records were correct, in any other state or country in the land that's how you record it.  At best it was an accounting error, but biden and the dems weaponized the courts to go after him for it 

 

Oh you mean when he left them in his garage with his corvette?   no wait that was biden. 

Never happened. He looked for legal loopholes to have the results come out in his favor but so have dems many times in the past.  Hanging chad anyone?

 

And when was he convicted of that? never? Yeah. 

You mean he's the president of the united states for  a second term and there's nothing you can do about it? 
yeah.  That's where we're at. And its primarily lies like the ones you just told that drove people into his camp. 

lol.............. u promoting this grifter or condemning him?😄

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, John Stone said:

lol.............. u promoting this grifter or condemning him?😄

Neither. I'm promoting the truth and letting the chips fall where they may.

What you said was essentially wrong. It's worth pointing out when people say things that are essentially wrong.

It's also interesting to note that it's positions like this which grossly misrepresented the facts or outright lied along with the constant insistence that everyone associated with trump including his supporters were Nazis and fascists extensively long before the election that that is exactly what was going to happen.

It's not good for the democrat party to be completely destroyed or to fall apart and become inconsequential. But that is what's happening right now and it's largely because of dishonesty like that which you just demonstrated.

The left needs to get back on track or we're going to become a one party system sooner or later. And Canada may always be a little slower but it'll happen here too

[John Stone]

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Never happened.  His records were correct, in any other state or country in the land that's how you record it.  At best it was an accounting error, but biden and the dems weaponized the courts to go after him for it 

 

Oh you mean when he left them in his garage with his corvette?   no wait that was biden. 

Never happened. He looked for legal loopholes to have the results come out in his favor but so have dems many times in the past.  Hanging chad anyone?

 

And when was he convicted of that? never? Yeah. 

You mean he's the president of the united states for  a second term and there's nothing you can do about it? 
yeah.  That's where we're at. And its primarily lies like the ones you just told that drove people into his camp. 

yeah, that's where we're at - more the pity

(2023) Trump faced 31 felony counts pertaining to the willful retention of national defense information, the balance relating to alleged conspiracy, obstruction and false statements — the hazard was a prison sentence in the event of a conviction. Trump responded to the indictment  by falsely conflating his case with a separate classified documents investigation concerning President Joe Biden. Though classified records were found in a Biden home and office, there has been no indication that the president, unlike Trump, sought to conceal them or knew they were there

Trump was given an ‘off ramp’ from prosecution if he returned the sensitive, national security material – he declined.

 

2024 – Trump was found guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records after prosecutors successfully convinced a jury he disguised hush money reimbursement as legal.

 

 Five years after Donald Trump sought to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential race, the final criminal case related to those efforts has been dismissed, meaning Trump  faced no criminal trial over actions prosecutors once said were supported by strong evidence.

With Georgia’s racketeering prosecution now closed and federal election-interference charges abandoned due to presidential immunity, Trump faced no remaining criminal exposure for actions that prosecutors once argued constituted a broad attempt to unlawfully stay in power. 

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Never happened.  His records were correct, in any other state or country in the land that's how you record it.  At best it was an accounting error, but biden and the dems weaponized the courts to go after him for it 

 

Oh you mean when he left them in his garage with his corvette?   no wait that was biden. 

Never happened. He looked for legal loopholes to have the results come out in his favor but so have dems many times in the past.  Hanging chad anyone?

 

And when was he convicted of that? never? Yeah. 

You mean he's the president of the united states for  a second term and there's nothing you can do about it? 
yeah.  That's where we're at. And its primarily lies like the ones you just told that drove people into his camp. 

I'm sure ur familiar with SCOTUS, July 2024 decision, Trump v. United States.

It was unique in that it established former presidents enjoy significant immunity from criminal prosecution for actions taken while in office. 

The ruling was comprised of 3 parts: absolute immunity for acts within a president's core constitutional power, presumptive immunity for other official acts, and no immunity for private conduct. 

It provides the correct amount of immunity for a sitting President .......... and  provides protection from prosecution for acts taken while in office in pursuit of official acts. 

Amusing  to bear witness on how this will be exploited by both the black and white cats. 

Are we seeing it now?

[CdnFox]

32 minutes ago, John Stone said:

yeah, that's where we're at - more the pity

It's not pity, it's the arrogance and hatred of the left that brought us to this point. The sheer incompetence made this inevitable. The left literally made trump look like a better choice and a more reasonable president than electing the left. Think about that for a minute

34 minutes ago, John Stone said:

(2023) Trump faced 31 felony counts pertaining to the willful retention of national defense information

Yawn. 

  Biden did the same thing, no charges. 

34 minutes ago, John Stone said:

2024 – Trump was found guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records

And everyone everywhere knew that was a completely bullshit charge doctored up to weaponize the courts against him.  about 75 percent of people polled said the charges were politically motivated, and they were. Even the people who agreed with the charges thought they were politically motivated in most cases, they just didn't care. 

The whole felony charge thing required that the jury believe that another crime MIGHT have happened without proof. They didn't even need to agree on WHICH crime. 

It got called the Tinkerbell law and everybody understood that this was an example of the democrats using the courts to persecute their opponents. It turned people off in a massive way. It was so banana republic it wasn't even funny. It made the democrats look like a corrupt bunch of complete lunatics who could not be trusted with power

And sure enough people kick them to the curb

37 minutes ago, John Stone said:

 Five years after Donald Trump sought to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential race, the final criminal case related to those efforts has been dismissed, meaning Trump  faced no criminal trial over actions prosecutors once said were supported by strong evidence.

Where is Biden's kids saw a trial but then was set free by Biden who swore he would never do that unclaimed the only reason he was going after trump is that nobody was above the law

There's nothing you can say about trump I can't also be said of the democrats and had full democrat supporter buy in previously

The thing is when democrats police kinds of crimes people like you applaud with both hands and give thumbs up and then our shocked and horrified when republicans don't freak out when a republican does it

Nobody cares about your bullshit made up charges. And that was proved when the public voted him in again with him gaining ground and literally every single county so hard they bounced a few times

Keep it up in the same thing will happen

[John Stone]

re: There's nothing you can say about trump I can't also be said of the democrats and had full democrat supporter buy in previously

oh indeed, .............. I think its more a matter of degree tho?😄

Never in the history of the U.S. has an individual with so much controversy swirling around them been elected POTUS ...... twice?

Next up?

Tucker Carlson. 

[Deluge]

2 minutes ago, John Stone said:

re: There's nothing you can say about trump I can't also be said of the democrats and had full democrat supporter buy in previously

oh indeed, .............. I think its more a matter of degree tho?😄

Never in the history of the U.S. has an individual with so much controversy swirling around them been elected POTUS ...... twice?

Next up?

Tucker Carlson. 

Doesn't matter who it is as long as he's not one of you.  

[Deluge]

We know that democrats/leftoids have f*cked up priorities, so perhaps the even bigger question is what makes them want to destroy their own country? What is the root cause? 

[Legato]

10 minutes ago, John Stone said:

re: There's nothing you can say about trump I can't also be said of the democrats and had full democrat supporter buy in previously

oh indeed, .............. I think its more a matter of degree tho?😄

Never in the history of the U.S. has an individual with so much controversy swirling around them been elected POTUS ...... twice?

Next up?

Tucker Carlson. 

Controversy generated by the Democrats and vigorously strewn around my the MSM and it got him elected.

Today still doing the same thing, mistakes to learn by but the late stage TDS is good at blocking out any semblance of sanity.

Well done.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

re: There's nothing you can say about trump I can't also be said of the democrats and had full democrat supporter buy in previously

oh indeed, .............. I think its more a matter of degree tho?😄

That tends to be a matter of perspective. For example you might well make the argument that Biden's mishandling a files less egregious than trumps because he cooperated but there's still a breach in the law that was forgiven when it was biden. 

Likewise I find obama's direct interference with the intelligence operators to produce a fake report suggesting trump was a Russian agent to be more egregious than anything trump has done to date. Others may feel differently.

This is always the problem my voters allow their perception to justify letting their favorites off the hook. And I do mean that from both sides. In a world where voters were doing their job they should have crucified the democrats and all those involved for the fake job charges over trump. Likewise trump supporters probably should have held trump a lot more to account for his over the line efforts to find a legal loophole to exploit to try and win the election in 2020.

The problem we have now is that everybody knows that the democrats tried to use the legal system to go after trump and prevent him from running or ruin his chances and so now the republicans aren't the slightest interested when he targets democrats.  The FBI got away with targeting trump for the most part and even were convicted of criminal charges which the perpetrator got off on essentially, and the dem supporters stayed silent or even cheered, and now republicans don't care when ICE is used to go farther than some would be comfortable with and bend laws they way THEY like. 

 

I honestly believe that the only way forward for democracy to work is for voters to be a lot more honest about what's going on. Sure we're going to have our favorites and you're probably going to lean towards being forgiving to them compared to the other guy but right now it's insane

We should be punishing parties that spread negative nonsense about the other guy instead of promoting their own position, and I don't mean when they criticize policy but when they make it all about personal attacks, and we should be punishing any corruption or political shenanigans most harshly.  

[John Stone]

14 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That tends to be a matter of perspective. For example you might well make the argument that Biden's mishandling a files less egregious than trumps because he cooperated but there's still a breach in the law that was forgiven when it was biden. 

Likewise I find obama's direct interference with the intelligence operators to produce a fake report suggesting trump was a Russian agent to be more egregious than anything trump has done to date. Others may feel differently.

This is always the problem my voters allow their perception to justify letting their favorites off the hook. And I do mean that from both sides. In a world where voters were doing their job they should have crucified the democrats and all those involved for the fake job charges over trump. Likewise trump supporters probably should have held trump a lot more to account for his over the line efforts to find a legal loophole to exploit to try and win the election in 2020.

The problem we have now is that everybody knows that the democrats tried to use the legal system to go after trump and prevent him from running or ruin his chances and so now the republicans aren't the slightest interested when he targets democrats.  The FBI got away with targeting trump for the most part and even were convicted of criminal charges which the perpetrator got off on essentially, and the dem supporters stayed silent or even cheered, and now republicans don't care when ICE is used to go farther than some would be comfortable with and bend laws they way THEY like. 

 

I honestly believe that the only way forward for democracy to work is for voters to be a lot more honest about what's going on. Sure we're going to have our favorites and you're probably going to lean towards being forgiving to them compared to the other guy but right now it's insane

We should be punishing parties that spread negative nonsense about the other guy instead of promoting their own position, and I don't mean when they criticize policy but when they make it all about personal attacks, and we should be punishing any corruption or political shenanigans most harshly.  

 

Re: I honestly believe that the only way forward for democracy to work is for voters to be a lot more honest about what's going on. 

I applaud your idealism ............ however, 'what is going on' is fed to them - lies repeated become truths? 

We both realize that the so-called realpolitik could not be successful without lies, damn lies and statistics.  😁

It works.

Idealism is great, however, as it approaches reality the costs become prohibitive in terms of winning.  

I agree with you in respect that elections have consequences and the person to blame isn't 'them' it's the 'royal' us.

The degree of ignorance in the electorate is something to be exploited - ask any hack. 

It is not going to change - this is not grandpa's political environment. 

 

[John Stone]

17 hours ago, Deluge said:

Doesn't matter who it is as long as he's not one of you.  

I enjoy listening to idealist's advice 

[Deluge]

1 hour ago, John Stone said:

I enjoy listening to idealist's advice 

It's a fair statement. Your side wants all the wrong things, so keeping your kind out of office is best for everyone.  

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, John Stone said:

 

Re: I honestly believe that the only way forward for democracy to work is for voters to be a lot more honest about what's going on. 

I applaud your idealism ............ however, 'what is going on' is fed to them - lies repeated become truths? 

 

 

True.  It is often said that politics is downstream of culture. The meaning of which is that our impression of politics comes from our media and our social interactions rather than reality, a  fact the politicians use to their advantage by manipulating the media and culture. 

But as individuals we can choose not to be part of that. And that's really the best we can do

[Nationalist]

21 hours ago, John Stone said:

re: There's nothing you can say about trump I can't also be said of the democrats and had full democrat supporter buy in previously

oh indeed, .............. I think its more a matter of degree tho?😄

Never in the history of the U.S. has an individual with so much controversy swirling around them been elected POTUS ...... twice?

Next up?

Tucker Carlson. 

Which proves an important point.

The public prefers common sense to trannies in classrooms. Controlled borders to open. 

You Libbies are your own worst enemies.

[Deluge]

On 5/5/2026 at 12:28 PM, John Stone said:

yeah, that's where we're at - more the pity

(2023) Trump faced 31 felony counts pertaining to the willful retention of national defense information, the balance relating to alleged conspiracy, obstruction and false statements — the hazard was a prison sentence in the event of a conviction. Trump responded to the indictment  by falsely conflating his case with a separate classified documents investigation concerning President Joe Biden. Though classified records were found in a Biden home and office, there has been no indication that the president, unlike Trump, sought to conceal them or knew they were there

Trump was given an ‘off ramp’ from prosecution if he returned the sensitive, national security material – he declined.

 

2024 – Trump was found guilty of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records after prosecutors successfully convinced a jury he disguised hush money reimbursement as legal.

 

 Five years after Donald Trump sought to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential race, the final criminal case related to those efforts has been dismissed, meaning Trump  faced no criminal trial over actions prosecutors once said were supported by strong evidence.

With Georgia’s racketeering prosecution now closed and federal election-interference charges abandoned due to presidential immunity, Trump faced no remaining criminal exposure for actions that prosecutors once argued constituted a broad attempt to unlawfully stay in power. 

Trump would already be in prison if you had anything real on him, but you don't. Now he's President of the United States and his laughing in your faces. This is what happens when you turn left-wing psychopaths loose on true Americans.  

Edited May 9 by Deluge