The "Left" & The "Right"

[John Johnston]

8 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Then we're In somewhat the same boat. But, your government is actually more honest, because it doesn't operate under the false creed of equality.

And true, I do have my biases. 

I've grown extremely intolerant of intolerance. 

Its quite the conundrum. 

If I recall correctly,  its called the paradox of tolerance. Oddly enough, in order to maintain a tolerant society, one must be completely intolerant of intolerance. 

With all this id1otic intolerance of marginalized groups, its necessary to combat such intolerance by being completely intolerant of it.

Hence the term "paradox".

Fascinating,  huh....

 

 

 

Intolerant of Intolerance. Indeed. 

[ironstone]

9 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Then we're In somewhat the same boat. But, your government is actually more honest, because it doesn't operate under the false creed of equality.

There isn't much honesty coming from our government. I wish they would strive for equal opportunity but they go way beyond that. DEI on steroids, lighter sentences for 'non-white' criminals, all that nonsense.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/bruce-pardy-racial-discounts-for-violent-criminals-was-inevitable-in-equity-obsessed-canada

They are also trying to pass bills which critics say will  threaten our freedoms, as in what we can and can't say or post on social media. 

I don't know how much you know about the current Canadian government, but they are pretty far-left.

[CrakHoBarbie]

52 minutes ago, ironstone said:

There isn't much honesty coming from our government. I wish they would strive for equal opportunity but they go way beyond that. DEI on steroids, lighter sentences for 'non-white' criminals, all that nonsense.

I see.

Have you researched the matter?

Because it appears that Canadian courts disproportionately produces harsher sentences for black and indigenous folks than it does for whites.

We stateside have the same issue here, now.  People of color are administered much harsher sentences than whites.

I see that as an issue that needs to be rectified.  That you don't  is very telling on the type of person you are.

From what I've researched so far, it appears you are the dishonest one.

52 minutes ago, ironstone said:

 

They are also trying to pass bills which critics say will  threaten our freedoms, as in what we can and can't say or post on social media. 

I don't know how much you know about the current Canadian government, but they are pretty far-left.

I see.

Have you researched this issue at all?

The proposed "online harms act" would require websites to remove hate speech and bullying within 24 hours.

For the most part, im with you on this one.

I believe this could be abused by the government,  and quite frankly I may not like some things that people say online, but I will fight for their right to say them without restriction. 

Edited March 23 by CrakHoBarbie

[ironstone]

28 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

I see.

Have you researched the matter?

Because it appears that Canadian courts disproportionately produces harsher sentences for black and indigenous folks than it does for whites.

We stateside have the same issue here, now.  People of color are administered much harsher sentences than whites.

I see that as an issue that needs to be rectified.  That you don't  is very telling on the type of person you are.

From what I've researched so far, it appears you are the dishonest one.

I see.

Have you researched this issue at all?

The proposed "online harms act" would require websites to remove hate speech and bullying within 24 hours.

For the most part, im with you on this one.

I believe this could be abused by the government,  and quite frankly I may not like some things that people say online, but I will fight for their right to say them without restriction. 

Our government actually has something called "Canada's Black Justice Strategy". Basically, they assume that because there are a lot of blacks in prison, a much higher percentage than they represent in the total population, that it's because of racism and not the obvious, which is that they are there because they committed crimes.

So their solution is to give blacks reduced sentences. I believe the sentencing should be the same regardless of race. It must also be taken into account that Canada already has pretty lenient sentencing for most crimes(freedom convoy being one notable exception). Liberal government policy has long been 'bail, not jail'.

Bill C-9

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Yes, under the proposed Bill C-9, there could be severe penalties for hate-motivated crimes, including life sentences for certain acts motivated by hatred. This includes new provisions that specifically address hate crimes and the promotion of hatred against identifiable groups.

We now have people protesting 'death to America, death to Israel, death to Canada' on our streets. These people can shout these vile slogans with impunity. Those who counter-protest are the one's that are at risk of being charged.

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/cbjs-scjn/index.html

[CrakHoBarbie]

35 minutes ago, ironstone said:

Our government actually has something called "Canada's Black Justice Strategy". Basically, they assume that because there are a lot of blacks in prison, a much higher percentage than they represent in the total population, that it's because of racism and not the obvious, which is that they are there because they committed crimes.

 

Ok.

You're  I see where you're confused.

What they're talking about is the sentences for blacks and indigenous folks are often much harsher than the sentences levied on white folks for the same crimes.

You do see the difference,  right?

Because, I get the feeling that even after I've corrected you, you're still gunna be spewing the same old m0ronic shit.

 

Edited March 23 by CrakHoBarbie

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Ok.

You're  I see where you're confused.

What they're talking about is the sentences for blacks and indigenous folks are often much harsher than the sentences levied on white folks for the same crimes.

You do see the difference,  right?

Because, I get the feeling that even after I've corrected you, you're still gunna be spewing the same old m0ronic shit.

 

You take 'overrepresentation' as blacks getting harsher sentences than say, whites. They are not getting arrested because of race, they are being arrested because they commit a disproportionate amount of the crimes.

You display that typical kind of leftist anger when someone disagrees with you plus the usual lack of civility.

[CrakHoBarbie]

41 minutes ago, ironstone said:

You take 'overrepresentation' as blacks getting harsher sentences than say, whites. They are not getting arrested because of race, they are being arrested because they commit a disproportionate amount of the crimes.

You display that typical kind of leftist anger when someone disagrees with you plus the usual lack of civility.

Its true...

I dont suffer fools lightly. 

And youre a f_cking fool.

As I stated before, "What they're talking about is the sentences for blacks and indigenous folks are often much harsher than the sentences levied on white folks for the same crimes."

Which part of that confuses you halfwit?

[ironstone]

5 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Its true...

I dont suffer fools lightly. 

And youre a f_cking fool.

As I stated before, "What they're talking about is the sentences for blacks and indigenous folks are often much harsher than the sentences levied on white folks for the same crimes."

Which part of that confuses you halfwit?

I can't speak to the sentencing for blacks and indigenous criminals being longer in the US or not, but it's not the case in Canada. Maybe lay off the crack for a bit😉as something is clearly impeding your ability to reason.

[CrakHoBarbie]

2 hours ago, ironstone said:

I can't speak to the sentencing for blacks and indigenous criminals being longer in the US or not, but it's not the case in Canada. Maybe lay off the crack for a bit😉as something is clearly impeding your ability to reason.

Ignore reality if you please you hick bumpkin.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwji-Zrs5LeTAxXnke4BHd1yIJgQFnoECCwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.justice.gc.ca%2Feng%2Frp-pr%2Fjr%2Frrbb-bbrr%2Fresults-resultats.html&usg=AOvVaw3rn4WrzXfpEhtLiyUsTxUA&opi=89978449

[ironstone]

9 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Ignore reality if you please you hick bumpkin.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwji-Zrs5LeTAxXnke4BHd1yIJgQFnoECCwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.justice.gc.ca%2Feng%2Frp-pr%2Fjr%2Frrbb-bbrr%2Fresults-resultats.html&usg=AOvVaw3rn4WrzXfpEhtLiyUsTxUA&opi=89978449

From your link:

Black accused more likely to encounter a withdrawal, dismissal and discharge, equally likely to be acquitted, and less likely to be found guilty and encounter a stay of proceedings

Black accused were on average 24% less likely than White accused to be found guilty from 2005-06 to 2015-16

Overall, Black accused were more likely to encounter a withdrawal, dismissal or discharge, less likely to be found guilty and encounter a stay, and equally likely to be acquitted (except for Black men who were more likely to be acquitted), relative to their White counterparts.

If they do get longer slightly longer sentences if convicted, there are also more of them being let off prior to trial and sentencing than their white counterparts.

And this: It is important to note that the RRI method does not take into account the multiple factors that may affect the length of custodial sentences, such as aggravating and mitigating factors, the criminal record of an accused and the severity of the offence. In fact, the findings above could be further explained by differences between Black and White accused in the severity of offences or in the offences being subject to mandatory minimum penalties. 

[CrakHoBarbie]

53 minutes ago, ironstone said:

From your link:

Black accused more likely to encounter a withdrawal, dismissal and discharge, equally likely to be acquitted, and less likely to be found guilty and encounter a stay of proceedings

Black accused were on average 24% less likely than White accused to be found guilty from 2005-06 to 2015-16

Overall, Black accused were more likely to encounter a withdrawal, dismissal or discharge, less likely to be found guilty and encounter a stay, and equally likely to be acquitted (except for Black men who were more likely to be acquitted), relative to their White counterparts.

If they do get longer slightly longer sentences if convicted, there are also more of them being let off prior to trial and sentencing than their white counterparts.

And this: It is important to note that the RRI method does not take into account the multiple factors that may affect the length of custodial sentences, such as aggravating and mitigating factors, the criminal record of an accused and the severity of the offence. In fact, the findings above could be further explained by differences between Black and White accused in the severity of offences or in the offences being subject to mandatory minimum penalties. 

Read further:

"Among all those found guilty, Black accused were on average 24% more likely than White accused to be sentenced to custody from 2005-06 to 2015-16 (see Chart 3). These results showed varying trends when considering specific accused characteristics. A greater likelihood of encountering this sentencing outcome was observed for Black adult accused, Black male accused and both Black people accused of violent and non-violent offences. The likelihood of being sentenced to custody was much more pronounced in the case of Black youth accused, who were more than twice as likely (+103%) as their White counterparts to be sentenced to custody. Black female accused showed a different trend; they were 21% less likely than their White counterparts to encounter this sentencing outcome.Footnote39 RRI data broken down by accused characteristics and jurisdictions are reported in Annex 2, Table 3 and Table 5."

Google AI response:

"Yes, research indicates that Black people in Canada are often given harsher sentences and face more punitive outcomes than white people for similar offences. Studies show that Black offenders are more likely to be incarcerated, receive longer custodial sentences—sometimes 6 days longer on average—and face a 36% higher likelihood of receiving a federal sentence of two or more years compared to white counterparts."

[eyeball]

On 2/4/2026 at 12:16 PM, Goddess said:

My feeling is that N. America has never been this divided politically, polarized.  What would you call the 2 opposites?

Enemies.

[ironstone]

2 hours ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Read further:

"Among all those found guilty, Black accused were on average 24% more likely than White accused to be sentenced to custody from 2005-06 to 2015-16 (see Chart 3). These results showed varying trends when considering specific accused characteristics. A greater likelihood of encountering this sentencing outcome was observed for Black adult accused, Black male accused and both Black people accused of violent and non-violent offences. The likelihood of being sentenced to custody was much more pronounced in the case of Black youth accused, who were more than twice as likely (+103%) as their White counterparts to be sentenced to custody. Black female accused showed a different trend; they were 21% less likely than their White counterparts to encounter this sentencing outcome.Footnote39 RRI data broken down by accused characteristics and jurisdictions are reported in Annex 2, Table 3 and Table 5."

Google AI response:

"Yes, research indicates that Black people in Canada are often given harsher sentences and face more punitive outcomes than white people for similar offences. Studies show that Black offenders are more likely to be incarcerated, receive longer custodial sentences—sometimes 6 days longer on average—and face a 36% higher likelihood of receiving a federal sentence of two or more years compared to white counterparts."

And did they also fail to take into account the aggravating and mitigating factors like previous convictions, mandatory minimum penalties, and severity of the offenses as was the case in the first link you posted?

[Goddess]

On 3/22/2026 at 4:00 PM, CrakHoBarbie said:

While I certainly cannot abide by a $750,000.00 fine for merely not sharing the same ideology,

Meh.

You will abide it, though.

You guys always do. 

You'll say nothing.  And you'll keep supporting the government that makes these things possible.

You talk a lot about "not abiding" stuff, but in the end, you STFU when you're told to and go along with everything. 

On 3/22/2026 at 4:00 PM, CrakHoBarbie said:

Regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, creed, religion, political affiliation, country of origin or socioeconomic status.

You just allowed 4 censorship bills to be prioritized and passed and you did.......nothing about it.

[CrakHoBarbie]

16 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Meh.

You will abide it, though.

You guys always do. 

You'll say nothing.  And you'll keep supporting the government that makes these things possible.

You talk a lot about "not abiding" stuff, but in the end, you STFU when you're told to and go along with everything. 

You just allowed 4 censorship bills to be prioritized and passed and you did.......nothing about it.

One tiny problem with your assessment..

Im not Canadian. 

38 minutes ago, ironstone said:

And did they also fail to take into account the aggravating and mitigating factors like previous convictions, mandatory minimum penalties, and severity of the offenses as was the case in the first link you posted?

How about you get off your whiny snowflake ass and do the research, Karen.

 

 

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

Im not Canadian. 

Ok.  Sorry for assuming.

Thanks for the clarification.

[CrakHoBarbie]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Ok.  Sorry for assuming.

Thanks for the clarification.

No problem,  Goddess.

[ironstone]

4 minutes ago, CrakHoBarbie said:

How about you get off your whiny snowflake ass and do the research, Karen.

I did that by actually reading the first link you posted and it was summarized nicely in the final paragraph. The entire narrative of blacks getting tougher sentences is highly dubious at best since they admitted that there were a number of very important factors that were not taken into account.

I provided evidence to back up my claim that blacks get special treatment within the Canadian justice system.

You haven't presented anything to back up the claim that you made in the first place.

[CrakHoBarbie]

2 minutes ago, ironstone said:

I did that by actually reading the first link you posted and it was summarized nicely in the final paragraph. The entire narrative of blacks getting tougher sentences is highly dubious at best since they admitted that there were a number of very important factors that were not taken into account.

I provided evidence to back up my claim that blacks get special treatment within the Canadian justice system.

You haven't presented anything to back up the claim that you made in the first place.

Well here you go karen:

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/obpccjsce-spnsjpcce/docs/rsd_rr2025_overrepresentation-of-black-people-in-the-canadian-criminal-justice-system-eng.pdf

 

https://ccla.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Anti-Black-Racism-Fact-Sheet-2021.pdf

 

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/obpccjsce-spnsjpcce/discrimination.html