The Brave Nation of Iran rises up against the Murderous Islamic Republic in millions.

[WestCanMan]

32 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Iranians are done with any f*cking religious leader or religion. They want a secular government. A majority of Iranians hate it. Why do you think over 500 mosques were set on fire in 48 hours.

I hear you, and that makes perfect sense to me, but we both know that I'm in no position to rely on media reports over here.

Not even for what's happening in my own country, let alone a country 3,000 miles away, across the ocean, where people speak languages that I don't understand.

TBH, you're probably my best source of info regarding this.

One question that I had is, are the mosques being burned down along Sunni/Shia lines or is it just mosques in general?

I've always been under the impression that the Ayatollah/Iranian theocracy are Shia and the vast majority of all other muslims all over the ME, and possibly even in Iran, are Sunni, so I wasn't sure if this was one against the other or people hoping for a more secular society going against diehard theocracs.

[CITIZEN_2015]

43 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

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One question that I had is, are the mosques being burned down along Sunni/Shia lines or is it just mosques in general?

I've always been under the impression that the Ayatollah/Iranian theocracy are Shia and the vast majority of all other muslims all over the ME, and possibly even in Iran, are Sunni, so I wasn't sure if this was one against the other or people hoping for a more secular society going against diehard theocracs.

They are Shia mosques solely. Mosques are being used as centers of repression. Many security or plain clothes Basij forces are using these mosque to gather or keep their arms. There used to be over 75000 of these before 1979. Now estimates put them at under 25000. two-third closed because of lack of interest. Those still open are empty most of the time and used as centers of repression.

Yes you are right, I think about 85% of muslims are Sunni and about 15% Shia. Iran was 90% Shia in 1979 and 10% Sunny, mostly Kurds and Baluchis. 

Oh by no means. In Iran it is NOT a Sunny-Shia war. It is for a secular democratic government. Those mosques attacked were not in Kurdistan or Baluchistan but in Shia dominated areas and the  reason was first they are underground zones of repression and second,, people hate those mosques. I haven't been there for a long time but I would estimate that now between 60 to 80% of population in Iran are non-muslims (atheists mostly or just believe in God but not any religion) 

Edited January 29 by CITIZEN_2015

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

They are Shia mosques solely. Mosques are being used as centers of repression. Many security or plain clothes Basij forces are using these mosque to gather or keep their arms. There used to be over 75000 of these before 1979. Now estimates put them at under 25000. two-third closed because of lack of interest. Those still open are empty most of the time and used as centers of repression.

Yes you are right, I think about 85% of muslims are Sunni and about 15% Shia. Iran was 90% Shia in 1979 and 10% Sunny, mostly Kurds and Baluchis. 

Oh by no means. In Iran it is NOT a Sunny-Shia war. It is for a secular democratic government. Those mosques attacked were not in Kurdistan or Baluchistan but in Shia dominated areas and the  reason was first they are underground zones of repression and second,, people hate those mosques. I haven't been there for a long time but I would estimate that now between 60 to 80% of population in Iran are non-muslims (atheists mostly or just believe in God but not any religion) 

I hope everything works out there.

Knee-jerk reaction is "I hope that Trump finds a way to help Iranians to save thousands of lives", but that kind of help rarely "helps", and Iran is such a delicate situation... it's easy to imagine a scenario where the US does more harm than good. Easy to imagine because, it often happens, I guess.

TBH, I wouldn't put it past the ayatollah to bomb some of his own people and blame the US though. It's not actually that rare.

At the end of the day, Trump usually does the right thing, but this would be an awful one to get wrong. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

On 1/29/2026 at 3:05 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I think you live in 50 years ago. The majority of Iranians today hate this religion and are aware of the history that Arabs invaded what used to be Persian empire, imposed Islam by sword and destroyed their rich culture. Why do you think over 500 mosques were attacked and set on fire in 48 hours. The only reason the rest of the mosques not being set on fire is because a brutal security force is guarding them.

I see a lot of regime supporters on tv. Even if they’re a tiny minority they would still number in the many millions. Why would Iran be more secular than the US, say? We’re talking about a country that borders Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. I’d say the millions of Afghan refugees are still fairly traditional for a start. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

22 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

I see a lot of regime supporters on tv. Even if they’re a tiny minority they would still number in the many millions. Why would Iran be more secular than the US, say? We’re talking about a country that borders Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. I’d say the millions of Afghan refugees are still fairly traditional for a start. 

They are either paid mercenaries or their families. Among 90% of Iranians hate this regime and I estimate that between 50 to 70% hate Islam. This is a religion (cult) imposed on our rich Zoroastrian culture of good deeds, good thoughts, good words and equality for women and religious freedom by Arab invasion 1400 years ago and everyone under 50 years in Iran today some 80% of population has experienced it what it is.

Iran geographically is located in that area you are right, however, it is not an Arab nation but Persian with 2500 years of history and a highly educated population thank to Pahlavi dynasty and the only nation who has seen and experience what kind of religion it is. So that is why over 80% are secular and the day the regime falls all mosques will be set on fire and muslim clergy taken out and beaten.

 

Edited January 31 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

On 1/29/2026 at 10:16 PM, WestCanMan said:

I hope everything works out there.

Knee-jerk reaction is "I hope that Trump finds a way to help Iranians to save thousands of lives", but that kind of help rarely "helps", and Iran is such a delicate situation... it's easy to imagine a scenario where the US does more harm than good. Easy to imagine because, it often happens, I guess.

TBH, I wouldn't put it past the ayatollah to bomb some of his own people and blame the US though. It's not actually that rare.

At the end of the day, Trump usually does the right thing, but this would be an awful one to get wrong. 

Iran is different with Iraq and Afghanistan. Iranians are asking for US military intervention because this regime is way too brutal to be confronted with millions of unarmed civilians. They will kill them all. Iranians are asking for air support. They want centers of repression, in particular IRGC, Basij to be massively attacked by air BUT NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND. We have 80 million boots on the ground. the Iran nation. We need the repressive forces of islamic republic to be disarmed or weakened.

Trump promised help is on its way. He promised he will punish if the regime shoots them or kills them. Well they did. An estimated 40,000 killed and over 300,000 wounded because they trusted Trump.

Trump must keep his word or he will go down in history as the coward of 21st century who shares the responsibility for tens of thousands of death. It will be written down as the treason of century by a US President.

[SpankyMcFarland]

42 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

They are either paid mercenaries or their families. Among 90% of Iranians hate this regime and I estimate that between 50 to 70% hate Islam. This is a religion (cult) imposed on our rich Zoroastrian culture of good deeds, good thoughts, good words and equality for women and religious freedom by Arab invasion 1400 years ago and everyone under 50 years in Iran today some 80% of population has experienced it what it is.

Iran geographically is located in that area you are right, however, it is not an Arab nation but Persian with 2500 years of history and a highly educated population thank to Pahlavi dynasty and the only nation who has seen and experience what kind of religion it is. So that is why over 80% are secular and the day the regime falls all mosques will be set on fire and muslim clergy taken out and beaten.

 

The general point I would make here from a position of complete ignorance of Iran is that, unfortunately, 10% support may be enough to hold a country. Think of Belarus and Syria. With modern surveillance technology, in their case Chinese, you don’t need as many people as you used to watch everybody and keep them cowed. 

A high school I attended in the UK used to have trips to Iran before the Revolution. I dearly hope to see it some day. The two things I’d love to see are Persepolis, the capital of the old Persian empire (the biggest in the world at the time), and the Hyrcanian forests of the north but of course there is so much more. Tourist TV guy Rick Steves paid a visit maybe ten years ago and did a beautiful program on it.

It would be marvellous to see Zoroastrianism celebrated properly in its country of origin again. Bahaism and Ismailism too. As religions go they seem to be among the best. Here’s a summary of Ismaili Muslim beliefs: embracing pluralism by building bridges of peace and understanding; and generously sharing of one’s time, talents, and material resources to improve the quality of life of the community and those among whom they live. 

Edited January 31 by SpankyMcFarland

[WestCanMan]

54 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Iran is different with Iraq and Afghanistan. Iranians are asking for US military intervention

That's no different at all, actually. There's always one side asking the US for help - ALWAYS, and it's always the poor huddled masses - but down the road those requests for help are stripped from the historical record, and ME'ers and their cultists over here just shriek "AMERICA IS BAD cuz of these 20 attacks. Nay, GENOCIDES!!!"

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because this regime is way too brutal to be confronted with millions of unarmed civilians. They will kill them all.

That's my fear.

"A madman will burn his kingdom to ground to rule over the ashes."

I think that the Ayatollah's capacity for evil could easily eclipse the people's will for freedom and decency.

Mohamed's superpower was attracting all of the most evil people to him, and using them to control the masses. He offered people slaves and multiple wives as payment for slaughter and pillaging, and people were afraid to stand up to his evil army because they knew that losing meant that their wives and children would become sex slaves. 

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[Iranian civilians] want centers of repression, in particular IRGC, Basij to be massively attacked by air BUT NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND.

 And that's what I was talking about when I said that the ayatollah will probably bomb civilians to blame it on Trump.

As soon as the first bomb goes off, I guarantee that the ayatollah will start bombing his civilians to blame America. Dead/dying kids are a propaganda goldmine for terrorists, and leftists over here will jump on the chance to blame Trump.

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We have 80 million boots on the ground. the Iran nation. We need the repressive forces of islamic republic to be disarmed or weakened.

 I LOVE it. My heart goes out to them, and if I was religious I would pray for them. 

I'm 100% in favour of helping them. 

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Trump promised help is on its way. He promised he will punish if the regime shoots them or kills them. Well they did. An estimated 40,000 killed and over 300,000 wounded because they trusted Trump.

Trump knows what he's up against, and that's not an army of men, it's a propaganda wave driven by rabid psychopaths with piles of money.

He can't do a prolonged attack, giving Iran days to bomb their civilians and blame it all on the US. 

His attack has to be quick, decisive, and extremely narrow in scope.

Think: one wave of thousands of strikes with small blast radii lasting 2 hrs, not 20 days of strikes. 20 days is a lot of time for Khamenei to slaughter millions of people and blame America for it all.

It's a lot of time to build momentum behind his hate campaign.

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Trump must keep his word or he will go down in history as the coward of 21st century who shares the responsibility for tens of thousands of death. It will be written down as the treason of century by a US President.

Sad as it is, this attack from Trump couldn't happen after only 500 people were dead in a couple of days. That's nothing in the grand scheme of things. Slaughters of 500 people are routine in the ME. 

What's happening in Iran right now, with the tens of thousands of deaths, is "building global consensus, and resolve". The people of Iran need that resolve, Americans need that resolve, and the rest of the world cannot be in doubt about how serious the need for support actually is. 

Twenty years from now people can't be saying: "America did a regime-change level of bombing after 500 people were killed!!!!!"

In order for America to attack, Khamenei's murder rampage needs to reach the level of "biblical proportions". 

I'm sorry, I know that those are your people, but the risk of escalation is much greater if:

• the level of Khamenei's carnage is too low
• Khamenei has time to slaughter millions of his own people and blame Trump
• Trump's attacks aren't absolutely perfect.

 

There has never been a military strike in the whole history of the world that requires:

1. such a massive scope, over such a massive area
2. with so many critical targets
3. in such close proximity to so many millions of civilians
4. in such a compressed timeline,
5. with such a real risk of false-flag attacks by the enemy against millions of their own people,
6. occurring in front of such a well-coordinated, global propaganda army, which has their hooks into so many millions of fanatical followers all over the world

The chances of this incursion leading to a WW are very real. 

Trump and his forces need to not only execute a massive and decisive attack with ultimate precision, they need to do it without giving the ayatollah a chance to kill millions of his own people and blame America.

 

I promise you this, Citizen: if the ayatollah gets the chance to kill ten million of his own people and blame it on Trump, he will do it without hesitation, and never shed a tear. 

We're about to see a propaganda war that makes every news event in the history of the world look like a local news soundbite.

Edited January 31 by WestCanMan

[CITIZEN_2015]

18 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The general point I would make here from a position of complete ignorance of Iran is that, unfortunately, 10% support may be enough to hold a country. Think of Belarus and Syria. With modern surveillance technology, in their case Chinese, you don’t need as many people as you used to watch everybody and keep them cowed. 

A high school I attended in the UK used to have trips to Iran before the Revolution. I dearly hope to see it some day. The two things I’d love to see are Persepolis, the capital of the old Persian empire (the biggest in the world at the time), and the Hyrcanian forests of the north but of course there is so much more. Tourist TV guy Rick Steves paid a visit maybe ten years ago and did a beautiful program on it.

It would be marvellous to see Zoroastrianism celebrated properly in its country of origin again. Bahaism and Ismailism too. As religions go they seem to be among the best. Here’s a summary of Ismaili Muslim beliefs: embracing pluralism by building bridges of peace and understanding; and generously sharing of one’s time, talents, and material resources to improve the quality of life of the community and those among whom they live. 

It is true. That is why we need US help to disarm the murderous security forces. Not boots on the ground, but air support to massively attack the repressive centers over 5000 in all. Iranians themselves would do the rest. 

Trump promised help and protection, help is on its way, take over institutions, he said, but when this defenseless nation trusted him then they got massacred in tens of thousands. Trump must keep his promise. If he negotiate with them, he will go down in history as the most coward bloodthirsty US President and his action as the treason of modern history.

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

 

 And that's what I was talking about when I said that the ayatollah will probably bomb civilians to blame it on Trump.

As soon as the first bomb goes off, I guarantee that the ayatollah will start bombing his civilians to blame America. Dead/dying kids are a propaganda goldmine for terrorists, and leftists over here will jump on the chance to blame Trump.

 

With today's technology and satellite pictures and all he cannot. Remember when in 2018 the IRGC shot down the Ukrainian airliner with 273 Iranian passengers? They did it purposely to blame it on US and that was what they claimed first. Then came the proof. Hundreds of satellite pictures precisely showing where the missiles were fired and who fired them. After a few days they had no choice but to admit. Claiming they thought it was a US fighter jet attacking them.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

With today's technology and satellite pictures and all he cannot. Remember when in 2018 the IRGC shot down the Ukrainian airliner with 273 Iranian passengers? They did it purposely to blame it on US and that was what they claimed first. Then came the proof. Hundreds of satellite pictures precisely showing where the missiles were fired and who fired them. After a few days they had no choice but to admit. Claiming they thought it was a US fighter jet attacking them.

• Chat GPT could provide us with all that "satellite data", pulled from trump's own ass, and I hope everyone knows that.
• Unfortunately, due to the way the human brain works, both with the way our limbic system records indelible memories and the effectiveness of our confirmation bias mechanisms at defending and preserving our original opinions, people's opinions are still largely based on the initial media reports that they liked. 
• the ayatollah knows where the targets are that the us will be hitting. For all we know, he already has massive bombs nearby that will be triggered by explosions at those sites.

I will be shocked if hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians aren't killed by Iranian bombs [if America attacks], resulting in a massive propaganda war about "who killed them". 

Just be prepared for a wave of propaganda unlike anything that you have ever seen before. This is the friction point between ideological tectonic plates of biblical proportions. This isn't going down without a shitstorm of lies and deception. Book it.

Al Jazeera and Fox will be watching two entirely different wars. 

Edited January 31 by WestCanMan

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Trump must keep his word or he will go down in history as the coward of 21st century who shares the responsibility for tens of thousands of death. It will be written down as the treason of century by a US President.

Don't forget HW Bush encouraged Iraqi Marsh Arabs to rise up against Saddam Hussein and then left them hanging after they did.

This is an American thing, at least with Republican presidents. Are there are examples of Democratic presidents behaving similarly?

Note it was a Democratic president who said no to Churchill, a Conservative, when he asked America to overthrow Mossadegh.

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Don't forget HW Bush encouraged Iraqi Marsh Arabs to rise up against Saddam Hussein and then left them hanging after they did.

This is an American thing, at least with Republican presidents. Are there are examples of Democratic presidents behaving similarly?

Note it was a Democratic president who said no to Churchill, a Conservative, when he asked America to overthrow Mossadegh.

Yes but at least he attacked and weaken Saddam paving the way for his son to finish the job. Obama, a democrat failed to support Iranian uprising in 2009 and thousands were killed then. Not to mention Carter God damn his soul who paved the way for the Shah to be overthrown and as a result of his policy at least a million Iranians killed by this regime and by Saddam. And the country destroyed. Biden rewarded these mullah with 100 billion dollar by releasing the fund to them and then they spent that money not on hungry Iranians but on Hamas and Hezbollah and Assad  It was all democratic Presidents.

The use of overthrow Mossadegh is incorrect. Mossadegh was not a President or a King. He was a prime minister APPOINTED by the Shah. Based on Iranian constitution, the King was the head of government. The King sacked him in August 1953. He refused and tried to arrest Shah and his family but the King fled. So the real coup was by him against the King. A few days later people rose up for the King and took over government buildings and yes the CIA did spent a few million to pay off high ranking army officers.

By far more important, lets not argue over events more than 70 years ago. Lets talk about events two weeks ago. AN ESTIMATED 40,000 TO 80,000 unarmed civilians were massacred by Islamic regime in Iran. CONDEMN THIS GENOCIDE same way you condemned the killing in Gaza. in 2 days they killed a lot more civilians than Israel did in 2 years. But the f*cking democrats and the leftists and pro-Palestinians are f*cking silent. THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

Edited February 1 by CITIZEN_2015

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes but at least he attacked and weaken Saddam paving the way for his son to finish the job.

Sure, it's like they had it planned all along.

Even Saddam paid for trusting the US.

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

He was a prime minister APPOINTED by the Shah.

As a matter of formality common amongst constitutional monarchies. His legitimacy is founded on the Parliament that elected him as PM with a 72-12 majority.  It needs to be said we don't vote for our PM in Canada either, does that make our PM illigitamate? Probably if you look to the White House as the preeminent authority on legitimacy.

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The King sacked him in August 1953. He refused and tried to arrest Shah and his family but the King fled. So the real coup was by him against the King.

Horseshit. The Shah fled because he believed the first US British attempt to pull off the coup was failing.

Whatever legitimacy the Shah had to dismiss Mossadegh was lost in the manner by which it was carried out.  Orchestrated by foreign intelligence agencies and involving the arrest of military officers. This is why Mossadegh's overthrow is historically classified as a coup rather than a routine legal transition. 

What really underscores the illegitimacy of it all was the involvement of the US at the behest of Britain.

It's a freaking spectacle. Here's a democratic republic born from a revolution against the same monarchy now seducing America into joining it in the overthrow of a democratically elected government.

No wonder they kept it a secret!

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

By far more important, lets not argue over events more than 70 years ago. 

Not given the history of the savior you're prescribing to lead the way in Iran today. Especially given how proponents of a new Shah have tried to rewrite and sanitize Iran's history to legitimize yet another regime change at the hands of the US.

The success of Project Ajax actually had an even worse effect on the US in a lot of ways.

That's when the Shiniest Beacon for democracy and liberty on Earth started turning into...

 

Edited February 1 by eyeball

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Sure, it's like they had it planned all along.

Even Saddam paid for trusting the US.

As a matter of formality common amongst constitutional monarchies. His legitimacy is founded on the Parliament that elected him as PM with a 72-12 majority.  It needs to be said we don't vote for our PM in Canada either, does that make our PM illigitamate? Probably if you look to the White House as the preeminent authority on legitimacy.

Horseshit. The Shah fled because he believed the first US British attempt to pull off the coup was failing.

Whatever legitimacy the Shah had to dismiss Mossadegh was lost in the manner by which it was carried out.  Orchestrated by foreign intelligence agencies and involving the arrest of military officers. This is why Mossadegh's overthrow is historically classified as a coup rather than a routine legal transition. 

What really underscores the illegitimacy of it all was the involvement of the US at the behest of Britain.

It's a freaking spectacle. Here's a democratic republic born from a revolution against the same monarchy now seducing America into joining it in the overthrow of a democratically elected government.

No wonder they kept it a secret!

Not given the history of the savior you're prescribing to lead the way in Iran today. Especially given how proponents of a new Shah have tried to rewrite and sanitize Iran's history to legitimize yet another regime change at the hands of the US.

The success of Project Ajax actually had an even worse effect on the US in a lot of ways.

That's when the Shiniest Beacon for democracy and liberty on Earth started turning into...

 

Bunch of lies and re-invention of history. 

You are trying to divert attention from massacre currently in progress in Iran by Islamic republic by going back in history more than 70 years. The coup in 1979 was an islamist coup paved by Carter with sending general Huyzer to neutralize the army and forced the Shah out a month before that.

F*ck the murderous leftists who for their ideology are ready to do anything including supporting genocide if their side is doing it and we saw it in Russia's Stalin and China and many other places. F*ck the islamists too. F*ck Palestine too.

While my sisters and brothers are being shot to death on hospital beds and massacred on streets, you trying to cover it up and divert attention and I see you as  collaborating with a genocide.

Edited February 1 by CITIZEN_2015

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Bunch of lies and re-invention of history.

What part exactly? When the success of Operation Ajax went to America's head and it started using its CIA to go knock off other democracies around the world?

That definitely happened as well.

21 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

F*ck the murderous leftists

You actually believe the Ayatollah is a lefty? As evidenced by how progressive he is I suppose. LMAO!

24 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You are trying to divert attention from massacre currently in progress in Iran by Islamic republic by going back in history more than 70 years.

No, I'm simply pointing out Trump and America at this point have even less of the moral or ethical background required to facilitate yet another regime change in Iran.

It should be an international coalition with the US, at best, providing support in the background.

[John Stone]

........... in the Persian masses favor is that immediately following 9/11 the chant changed from 'Death to America' to 'Down with America' the reason was that the regime didn't want to be seen supporting Terrorism. Suicide was also p/o the calculus. 

Arguably,  it's likely more favorable in terms of regional / western stability to keep the country in a state of flux ... makes it easier to bomb .............. 

Iran's nuclear program has been deterred .......... not destroyed. 

If there is one thing Trump did correctly is deter the Iranian nuclear program thru  precision bombing - nod to Israel taking out the air-defenses. 

Iran cannot be allowed to possess nuclear weapons. 

 

Edited February 1 by John Stone

[CITIZEN_2015]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

What part exactly? When the success of Operation Ajax went to America's head and it started using its CIA to go knock off other democracies around the world?

That definitely happened as well.

You actually believe the Ayatollah is a lefty? As evidenced by how progressive he is I suppose. LMAO!

No, I'm simply pointing out Trump and America at this point have even less of the moral or ethical background required to facilitate yet another regime change in Iran.

It should be an international coalition with the US, at best, providing support in the background.

I was referring to you who indirectly support the massacre in Iran by trying to divert attention from present genocide by going back in history over 70 years. A plot to support the murderous Ayatollah because he is against Israel. Well long live Israel. We Iranians all support Israel. F*ck F*ck Palestine.

What Trump has killed more than 50,000 in 48 hours. KIES AND MORE LIES.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

What Trump has killed more than 50,000 in 48 hours. KIES AND MORE LIES.

Who said that?

In any case hold that thought...after encouraging protestors to rise up it looks like Taco is trying to cut a deal with Iran.

Offering to share a Nobel prize with the Ayatollah if he bends the knee would be my guess.

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Who said that?

In any case hold that thought...after encouraging protestors to rise up it looks like Taco is trying to cut a deal with Iran.

Offering to share a Nobel prize with the Ayatollah if he bends the knee would be my guess.

I doubt that or he will go down in history as a coward committing the treason of the century. He will leave a legacy as a coward and traitor.

His entire cabinet and advisors are telling him that he encouraged protesters to go on streets and cease government institutions and promised protection and now if he cuts a deal with the devil then he has committed the treason of the century.

He also uses these tactics to confuse his rivals. Last June he was negotiating with the regime when suddenly Israel and US attacked Iran. 

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I doubt that or he will go down in history as a coward committing the treason of the century. He will leave a legacy as a coward and traitor.

Meh... just one more thing in the general smear of things.

It'll be forgotten within a week as the world watches in mute fascination in his next date with the idea fairy.

That's not to say we still can't forge a coalition of the willing to go do what's right in Iran.

[CITIZEN_2015]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

Meh... just one more thing in the general smear of things.

It'll be forgotten within a week as the world watches in mute fascination in his next date with the idea fairy.

That's not to say we still can't forge a coalition of the willing to go do what's right in Iran.

One of the conditions in negotiation is that the regime stops killing protesters. The only reason this murderous hated regime remains in power is by mass murder, mass arrest and torture and terror and if they stop that for a day there will be a mass uprising again and if the security forces have orders not to kill they will be disarmed and the nation will take over and the regime will collapse.

 

[eyeball]

57 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

One of the conditions in negotiation is that the regime stops killing protesters. 

Good luck with that.

$10 says another condition of negotiations is that the current murderous hated regime remains in power.

[John Stone]

........... in the Persian masses favor is that immediately following 9/11 the chant changed from 'Death to America' to 'Down with America' the reason was that the regime didn't want to be seen supporting Terrorism. Suicide was also p/o the calculus. 

Arguably,  it's likely more favorable in terms of regional / western stability to keep the country in a state of flux ... makes it easier to bomb .............. 

Iran's nuclear program has been deterred .......... not destroyed. 

If there is one thing Trump did correctly is deter the Iranian nuclear bombing thru precision bombing - nod to Israel taking out the air-defenses. 

Iran cannot be allowed to possess nuclear weapons. 

 

[John Stone]

On 2/1/2026 at 7:45 PM, eyeball said:

Who said that?

In any case hold that thought...after encouraging protestors to rise up it looks like Taco is trying to cut a deal with Iran.

Offering to share a Nobel prize with the Ayatollah if he bends the knee would be my guess.

Interesting take .......... Iran wants to keep their nuc program and delivery platforms. 

Yasser Arafat was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994 - shared it with Yitzhak Rabin and Shimon Peres.

Its been rumored Hell Froze over for a short time shortly after.