FBI probes congressional Democrats who warned military about illegal orders

[Radiorum]

6 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

gender reassignment surgery

This is a valid treatment recommended by all the major medical associations. The question is why does it disturb you so?

6 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

rather than guns and bullets.

Please. There is no expense spared for guns and bullets.

6 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

All that is changed. And the Democrats hate it.

People speaking out against lawlessness does not involve hate, but rather an inclination to do what is right.

[User]

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

This is a valid treatment recommended by all the major medical associations. The question is why does it disturb you so?

Getting boob enlargements are “valid” surgeries too.

The point is that the military is in the business of fighting and winning wars, not placating to the mental issues of people that takes away from military readiness, standards, norms, and costs $$$ that is not necessary.

1 hour ago, Radiorum said:

People speaking out against lawlessness does not involve hate, but rather an inclination to do what is right.

Except, the problem here is Democrats didn’t speak out against any specific lawlessness. They implied it and encouraged mutiny and chaos.

These are very political issues, not clear cut legal ones, and soldiers shouldn’t be encouraged to mutiny over politics like this. 

[Radiorum]

12 minutes ago, User said:

not placating to the mental issues

it is treating the issues, not placating them. Still doesn't explain why it disturbs you.

 

13 minutes ago, User said:

that takes away from military readiness, standards, norms

Who says it does? If you think it is a real problem, you have swallowed a load of shit. You've been conned.

14 minutes ago, User said:

costs $$$ that is not necessary.

Who are you to decide whether medical treatment is necessary or not?

14 minutes ago, User said:

Except, the problem here is Democrats didn’t speak out against any specific lawlessness. They implied it and encouraged mutiny and chaos.

These are very political issues, not clear cut legal ones, and soldiers shouldn’t be encouraged to mutiny over politics like this. 

You really have swallowed the Kool-Aid, haven't you?

[User]

3 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

it is treating the issues, not placating them. Still doesn't explain why it disturbs you

The military routinely rejects people for all sorts of reasons, because they don’t exist to treat people with mental health issues.

Those people are removed from service or never allowed to join to begin with. 
 

4 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Who says it does? If you think it is a real problem, you have swallowed a load of shit. You've been conned.

People in the military.

On the face it’s true. If a soldier has to spend time away from the unit, they are not contributing. If they have to have surgeries and treatments and medication that makes them less capable or outright incapable to deploy.

5 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Who are you to decide whether medical treatment is necessary or not?

The tax payer. Let them deal with their mental issues on their own time and money, not use the military to do it for them.

6 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

You really have swallowed the Kool-Aid, haven't you?

I put forth an articulate logical response. Feel free to respond to that directly if you can. 

[gatomontes99]

7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

This is a valid treatment recommended by all the major medical associations. The question is why does it disturb you so?

Because it is not a valid treatment. People that undergo the surgery have the same or higher instances of depression and suicide with the added benefit of becoming sterile and the health problems that arise from the hormone treatments. Further, people that need that treatment ARE NOT mentally healthy and can not be relied upon in combat. 

 

7 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Please. There is no expense spared for guns and bullets.

Guns and bullets is just a place holder for all things lethal. I know guard units forgo flight training frequently because gas isnt available. 

We are short on bullets

And missiles

 

[robosmith]

20 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh I understand you Tweenkies alrighty. 

"AHHH! WE ALL GONNA DIIIEEE!"

You PARROTING your lDIOTIC EXTREME HYPERBOLE just makes you the FOOL.

[Radiorum]

On 12/4/2025 at 6:25 PM, User said:

to treat people with mental health issues.

We've been over this. Transgenderism is not a mental issue. Their brains work fine. They just developed with a gender that does not match their bodies. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

 

On 12/4/2025 at 6:25 PM, User said:

The tax payer. Let them deal with their mental issues on their own time and money, not use the military to do it for them.

Transgenderism is not a mental issue! But besides all that, I think the least the country could do is to see to the medical treatments - no matter what it is for - of all enlisted.

And also - gender affirming treatments amount to only $2-3 million a year - much, much less than the $71 million Trump has so far spent of tax-payer money to golf at Mar-a-Lago. Are you going to complain about that, too?

 President Donald Trump has reportedly spent about $71m in taxpayer-funded costs on golfing during his second term, and if his current pace continues, that total could reach $300m by the end of his term.

 

Edited December 6, 2025 by Radiorum

[Radiorum]

19 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Because it is not a valid treatment.

 

The following medical associations disagree with you.  

They have issued statements in support of health care for transgender people and youth:

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

American Academy of Dermatology

American Academy of Pediatrics

American Academy of Physician Assistants

American Medical Association

American Nurses Association

American Association of Clinical Endocrinology

American Association of Geriatric Psychiatry

American College Health Association

American College of Nurse-Midwives

American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists

American College of Physicians

American Counseling Association

American Heart Association

American Medical Student Association

American Psychiatric Association

American Psychological Association

American Society of Plastic Surgeons

American Society for Reproductive Medicine

American Urological Association

Endocrine Society

Federation of Pediatric Organizations

GLMA: Health Professionals Advancing LGBTQ Equality

The Journal of the American Medical Association

National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Women’s Health

National Association of Social Workers

Ohio Children’s Hospital

Pediatric Endocrine Society

Pediatrics (Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics ) and Seattle Children’s Hospital

Texas Medical Association

Texas Pediatric Society

United States Professional Association for Transgender Health (USPATH)

World Health Organization (WHO)

World Medical Association

World Professional Association for Transgender Health

 

19 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

People that undergo the surgery have the same or higher instances of depression and suicide

False. Provide your source.

Regrets about transitioning are rare, and are usually connected to a lack of support from family and stigma put on them  by the community, not second-guessing their decision.

19 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Further, people that need that treatment ARE NOT mentally healthy and can not be relied upon in combat. 

False. Provide your source.

 

 

[User]

43 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

We've been over this. Transgenderism is not a mental issue. Their brains work fine. They just developed with a gender that does not match their bodies. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

Yeah, you ran away from all those discussions too. A brain that thinks you are something you are not is not working fine. 

44 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Transgenderism is not a mental issue! But besides all that, I think the least the country could do is to see to the medical treatments - no matter what it is for - of all enlisted.

Then, back to the point, that is not what the military exists for, they exist to fight wars, not fund the gender transition for mentally ill people. 

45 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

And also - gender affirming treatments amount to only $2-3 million a year - much, much less than the $71 million Trump has so far spent of tax-payer money to golf at Mar-a-Lago. Are you going to complain about that, too?

I don't care if they cost 1 dollar. It is not the military's role to waste money on this. Pointing out other waste doesn't justify this waste. This is also a bogus number as folks like you would just as soon see it grow more as you encourage and celebrate the military enlisting more people with this mental problem so they can get treatment paid for. 

 

[Radiorum]

2 minutes ago, User said:

A brain that thinks you are something you are not is not working fine. 

Your lack of comprehension is astounding.

[User]

6 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Your lack of comprehension is astounding.

How so? You could never offer any proof of this absurd claim of yours before nor any logical argument based on facts and reason. 

[Radiorum]

13 minutes ago, User said:

You could never offer any proof of this absurd claim of yours before nor any logical argument based on facts and reason. 

I have more than once cited the scientific research that shows that the brain develops gender separately from the body. In most cases, the development is coincidental, and a cisgender person is born. But in some cases, the brain develops a different gender (during the third trimester of pregnancy, under the influence of genes and hormones) than the body (during the first trimester of pregnancy, under the influence of genes) and a transgender person is born.

But in any case, who are you to question the identity of another who feels quite strongly it is their identity?

Who are you to judge?

[User]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I have more than once cited the scientific research that shows that the brain develops gender separately from the body. In most cases, the development is coincidental, and a cisgender person is born. But in some cases, the brain develops a different gender (during the third trimester of pregnancy, under the influence of genes and hormones) than the body (during the first trimester of pregnancy, under the influence of genes) and a transgender person is born.

But in any case, who are you to question the identity of another who feels quite strongly it is their identity?

Who are you to judge?

You have never provided any scientific evidence for this nonsense. None. 

There is no scientific test that you can take today that would show someone is transgender or is the opposite gender of what they are. The only way you know is if they tell you. 

You can think you are whatever you want, it doesn't make you that thing. This is just a fact.

This is a discussion about what is the proper role of the military and facts regarding how this crap impacts the military as well as costs, I am here to judge all day long on that as the military is not a right, it is a paid service we pay for. 

 

[Radiorum]

10 hours ago, User said:

You can think you are whatever you want, it doesn't make you that thing. This is just a fact.

No, it is your opinion, a point-of-view grounded in ignorance and narrow-mindedness.

 

10 hours ago, User said:

This is a discussion about what is the proper role of the military and facts regarding how this crap impacts the military as well as costs, I am here to judge all day long on that as the military is not a right, it is a paid service we pay for. 

So, you oppose accepted medical treatments for the military in order to save a few bucks?

This would contravene US federal law, specifically Article 10 of the US Code. 

[SpankyMcFarland]

The FBI/DOJ can probe all they like but I can’t see them successfully convicting politicians who make such anodyne statements. 

[User]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

No, it is your opinion, a point-of-view grounded in ignorance and narrow-mindedness.

No, this is an observable provable testable repeatable fact. 

See: 

I think I’m the King of England!

Am I the King of England?

No.
 

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

So, you oppose accepted medical treatments for the military in order to save a few bucks?

This would contravene US federal law, specifically Article 10 of the US Code. 

This is a circular argument where you presume this is “accepted”

No, this wouldn’t violate federal law. This whole transgender madness wasn’t pushed until 5 minutes ago in human history here. It wasn’t like this before, it’s not like it now.

You are grasping at straws because you have no real argument.

where is that scientific evidence of yours?

LOL

[Radiorum]

1 hour ago, User said:

I think I’m the King of England!

Am I the King of England?

This is unsound reasoning - a logical fallacy. For your identity to be rooted in one gender or another depends on how the brain developed. But, to think you are a particular individual rather than yourself is a delusion.

 

1 hour ago, User said:

where is that scientific evidence of yours?

The biological underpinnings of transgenderism have been studied, and they seem to point most likely to the hormone environment in utero. Also, twin studies point to the influence of genes.

But it is my considered opinion that all the scientific evidence in the world would not change your prejudice.

[User]

34 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

This is unsound reasoning - a logical fallacy. For your identity to be rooted in one gender or another depends on how the brain developed. But, to think you are a particular individual rather than yourself is a delusion.

Your brain can develop with a mental issue... 

My comment is just as much a delusion as someone thinking they are something they are not when it comes to gender too. 

35 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

The biological underpinnings of transgenderism have been studied, and they seem to point most likely to the hormone environment in utero. Also, twin studies point to the influence of genes.

But it is my considered opinion that all the scientific evidence in the world would not change your prejudice.

So... where is that scientific evidence of yours?

 

[John Stone]

I'd admit  the military is a bigoted society. 

I'd also admit that leadership and management skills are totally different  - an  individual in the capacity of leadership is expected to lead. On the other hand a manager is expected to make decisions

The Military is in some respects a great vehicle to use in grooming  society - it's regimented, it is portable and argument can immediately be met with punishment in a variety of ways. The military should never be political ........ it should be apolitical in it's actions. 

Service members, depending on the type of service can reside for months in close contact..........leadership is essential - a leader must have the respect of his subordinates. 

Keeping in mind what I have said, do you think  using the military is a wise vehicle to employ to spread an ideologies agenda? 

And spare me the argument  that the Armed Forces are comprised of a cross section of society - depending on the trade, maybe. But certainly not door kickers 

Edited December 6, 2025 by John Stone

[Radiorum]

39 minutes ago, User said:

So... where is that scientific evidence of yours?

You wouldn't know what to do with it.

[Radiorum]

22 minutes ago, John Stone said:

using the military is a wise vehicle to employ to spread an ideologies agenda? 

I'm not sure of your meaning. You do recognize that anti-transgenderism is based on ideology, and supporting transgender persons is a matter of medical treatment?

[User]

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

You wouldn't know what to do with it.

LOL, like I said before, you have nothing, and you ran away last time I kept asking you for it, too. 

2 hours ago, Radiorum said:

I'm not sure of your meaning. You do recognize that anti-transgenderism is based on ideology, and supporting transgender persons is a matter of medical treatment?

He means, folks like you pushed this sillyness into the military based on the trans madness ideology you are pushing. 

The military does not exist for "medical treatment"

The military exists to fight and win wars. 
 

[Deluge]

On 12/6/2025 at 12:28 PM, Radiorum said:

You wouldn't know what to do with it.

You think science is political activism, so we damn well know that you don't know what science is.